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I would love to hear everyone's opinions and ideas regarding this youtube video. It is called I, Pet goat II. It is less than 8 minutes long and, in my opinion, an excellent watch--extremely thought-provoking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_OawJA68jI
| Christ Conciouness | 4 | |
| Attention getter for small company | 1 | |
| Anti-Christ | 3 | |
| Paid Propaganda | 2 | |
| Conspiracy Theorist bait | 3 | |
| Creative art with little to no ulterior motives | 0 |
Conceptual Opinion:
It's a "we missed the point of religion" kind of message. It's about control and corruption. God (or Jesus) is disappointed in humanity based off what he saw so he leaves us.
One thing I found very interesting was at the 3:30 there was a mourning of communism. Strange, there aren't too many communists nowadays.
Technical Opinion:
The good things are the environments. The buildings, structures, and lighting is great. The animation was all good, both the acting and the physics. The textures worked well there was probably a good UV map to thank. There were some interesting shots but there were also a few very flat shots. Particle effects looked good.
Some bad things were that the props were unimpressive. Some of the characters looked too similar. This normally happens when you have to create many characters in a short amount of time. The good designs were the double politician, the skeleton man, the dervish kid, and the old whore. All other designs were lacking. The goat was the worst. You'd think they'd give Jesus a more interesting model what with him getting more screen time.
Overall I'm glad I saw it. I would in no way call this attention-getter. If you want an example of attention getter watch a Lady Gaga music video.
Ha your last sentence made me laugh.
Nice to get a technical viewpoint. I myself no nothing about that kind of stuff.
As far as the communistic symbolism in it--yea that too almost makes it seem like an old idea. Some others have suggested that because Heliofant named that character Juan Pepito that maybe he represents Cuba.
I have my own even further 'out there' theory that maybe the creator is suggesting that what we are living in now is a veiled-type of communism. Whatever it is though it is sinking in filth :)
i cannot interpret it only the obvious things, but i thought it was beautiful and a bit scary
First of all, it's amazing. The symbolism, the music, the ideas.
So thank you for posting this link!
I don't know what you meant by "Christ conciousness", but yes, the second coming of Christ is the main focus. However it's not the Christian Church's idea of of Him. I think the author tried to express the true meaning of the new testament, and all the corruption and divisions within the Church will crumble (like that temple behind His back).
But again, I gotta watch it a few more times, maybe I'll catch something else. it's just a quick idea.
You're welcome :D
I just really wanted to share this and start some interesting discussion about it so I'm glad you enjoyed it. Hell, even those that DON'T enjoy it could probably pose some great points for me to think about.
I'm not sure if you already have or not, but IF you are interested I actually gave my personal synopsis to bananaface towards the top of the post. I hadn't intended to express my own opinions so soon, but it just sort of happened lol.
Oh, btw - I was actually looking for your post again:
I found this on youtube, watching it right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsPlPohPa1c
It's the creator of this video expaining his own point of view and some of the symbolism he used. But again -he said it right off the bet. Symbolism is about subjective interpritations, so what you see might be not exactly what I see.
Sure, if you wanna -PM me.
You are probably right. I know that is how I felt the first couple time I watched it.
ha yea is that odd to you? The first time I was quite distractedly fascinated and I knew that I wasn't catching everything in just that one view. And then when I made my response to bananaface above, I did a pretty in-depth watch pausing it at every spot I wanted to make a point on.
I'll try to keep this short and sweet (and I didn't want to read the other comments until after writing this so I apologize if any of this has been said).
This may sound dumb, but the way I see it... basically at the beginning you see all of the corruption going on. How the government lies and tells us how to live and how we can't do anything about it. The images also tie into a lot of what has happened in the world recently.
But then it kind of brings religion into the picture, but I don't think it literally means it. I think it's telling us if we still to our morals, we can pull through this era of corruption.
I don't know.
My inner cynic tells me it isn't worth bothering myself with at all, more like a series of veiled points so the watcher feels as if they are discovering something very secret but is in fact very obvious, much more thinly-veiled than it looks. Maybe the idea is that the watcher then feels empowered because they feel as if they have discovered a hidden secret only few know, but in fact they are secrets anyone who watches the video should be able to find.
Maybe I'm being cynical because it seemed very "try-hard". It gave me the vibe of wanting attention, and if it did want to make a point about society then it wanted to make it from a single, over-simplified perspective. It's not as smart as it wants to look.
I hate to say it, but in a lot of ways it reminded me of the Kony video. It too gave the audience the illusion that they were discovering something little-known and that they were actively doing something by watching the video.
What both videos did was take an agenda and allow the audience to discover it themselves. While the Kony video had a very obvious agenda, the Pet Goat video had a less obvious, less simple agenda about society and conspiracy. The Kony video gave the audience a very limited, biased set of facts, and allowed the audience to come to the conclusion that Kony was an evil man and Invisible Children deserved money. Because the audience were actively working to judge Kony a lot of people didn't seem to realise just how biased the data, the facts given in the video, was.
The Pet Goat video is a simple step-up from that. It gives the audience some data in the form of symbolism, and allows the audience to come to a conclusion about society based on that symbolism. What is easy to forget is that the data, the symbolism, is not true and unbiased fact and is presented with a strict agenda. It is easy to forget this because the mind is distracted by the fact that it has to do work to uncover the meaning.
BLOCK PARAGRAPHS AND WALLS OF UNDECIPHERABLE TEXT FTW
What I'm trying to say is, it's a piece of propaganda put forward in a very clever way to disguise the fact that is doesn't have as much substance as it would like to appear it has.
I know that isn't at all what your question was getting at, and I feel a bit odd writing an enormous reply that doesn't directly address the question :P
Tell me if this is nonsense, please? :P It's very late, and I may be unfair and rambling :P
You make a very good point about the possible pointlessness of those of us who are digging into it feeling special for our discoveries that for many may be common knowledge. I'd wondered if it was simple food-for-the-fodder, maybe even a distraction. Still though, some of the ideas I've come across both within myself and from others were eye-opening.
I gave a long response above to bananaface, but that was short compared to how deep I've seen some others go.
One person even went so far as to contact the creator of the video (his website is Heliofant.com) and actually got a response back.
Again, I feel the end message is a very positive one and while one motive for posting is to use it to hopefully study all of you, it is the message I want ultimately to share.
What I will say though is that it is undoubtedly full of interesting symbolism. I just think that it shouldn't be taken as actually having meaning in and of itself.
Oh don't worry, I doubt your ideas would bore me. It is the reason I made the poll in the first place :D I've seen lots of different kinds of interpretations of this video and I've pretty much built a full and personal opinion of it--it is absolutely STUFFED with symbolism. Mine would also, as you said, take up a lot of space on here and while I'll likely end up sharing most of it via one post or another, I'm most interested in the ideas of others.
You asked why I gave 'anti-Christ' as an option and it is because almost all of the interpretations I've seen from Christian posters is that this Jesus figure represents a false-Christ. They've read into this as negative and demonic. I personally feel that it is extremely positive and spiritual, but anti-religious and anti-control.
I'm glad it is obvious to you and I kind of suspect that is because you don't live in the U.S. I don't think this is quite as obvious to a lot of other people. I myself had to watch it a few times.
I'm confused, how could it be anything but obvious? That really isn't meant to sound condescending, it's just the aspects I mentioned really aren't ambiguous at all. I mean, it literally depicted the presidents as puppets. How could that not be obvious...am I missing something?:S
As for the religious aspect, I never saw it like that. A religious person will most likely have a better idea about religion than I do, because I didn't get anti-christ from that at all. I personally found it to be the opposite. From watching it just once (I most likely have missed a lot of important things which you pick up after watching it several times), it seems pro religion and actually really negative.
Overall, I thought the whole thing was drivel, although it does get some credit for making me laugh. I'd be interested to hear your interpretation of it, though.
Sure I'll be glad to give you my interpretation of it. We'll see how well I do keeping on the shorter, more concise end :P I'll also be leaving a lot out that others have discovered and mostly sticking to the parts that stuck out most to me personally.
So, the beginning starts with a hypnotized goat in a box with the bar code 666 on his forehead--this is us. Pet goats. At 0:21 you see the obvious puppet master wearing a snake/$ ring. His puppet is President Bush--putting on an act for us, wearing a Dunce hat and going through his "Fool me once" embarrassment. Then, at 1:05, he pops into the polished President Obama--teleprompter tells him to laugh and he responds in kind. Many people listed Illuminati imagery in this classroom, but I think the most important part of this is all the things on the wall and blackboard behind him:
The game of Hangman, IMO means 'The answer to/for hangMAN is evolution.'
Above the blackboard is an evolutionary chart. The last stage is human enlightenment, but stuck between the human (with a gun) and the final human is a thick wall--which I see as an intentional barrier.
Below the blackboard is a split brain with a dragon on the right hemisphere. I see this dragon attacking the right hemisphere which is our feminine aspect and the seat of our creativity, expression and dimensional awareness.
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At 1:14 you see a little girl who Heliophant, the creators of this video, have called Lily. Their own interpretation of her is that she has just realized this Knowledge is not for her and so she lets it go. It rolls to the foot of President Obama, splits, then the seeds join together to grow a lotus flower--this upsets and frightens the President. I see the split fruit of knowledge as duality coming together in enlightenment. Behind Lily is the White Rabbit and the Exit. Around Lily is a yellow circle that I have a vague idea about, but will come back to later.
At 1:46, as it pans out of the schoolhouse and into a frozen land you see Psalm 23 spray painted on the wall--which is the Lord's Prayer and as someone else mentioned, is usually spoken at funerals. Behind the schoolhouse the World Trade Towers crumble.
At 2:17 Osama Bin Laden is shown with a CIA logo on his uniform. At 2:29 U.S. Liberty crumbles before our very eyes. At 2:34 we see that before we were even born we were already in the system. The watchful eye's features are created from the U.S. dollar bill.
At 2:54 you see the boy Heliophant has named Ludovic, who's egg-like head has been broken and is virtually brain-dead with the "media" being his main-line. Pills and needles lie on the ground next to him.
His shoulders have a yellow substance spilled on them and I've considered that this may be the broken yoke of the Cosmic Egg. I know of someone who experienced a spontaneous awakening and afterward was reporting a thick dripping sensation down the back of his throat originating from his pineal gland. His search for answers led him to information about the Cosmic Egg. I wonder as well if this is the same substance circling Lily.
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From 3:04 and on religious structures fall apart either by being physically destroyed or by simply crumbling--such as the catholic cathedral at the very end.
At 3:24 you see a robotic-eyed, female, African child with an AK-47. Four seconds later, as the adult pulls on the ribbon (which was suggested by some to represent that adult's intent to rape the child) her eyes go dark which could mean the freedom or ending of African child soldiering/brainwashing.
According to Heliophant, 3:33 depicts 'Juan Pepito' drowning in the filth of his own creation--the emblems of communism held in his hands.
At 3:35 you see a ying yang sign on the ground which quickly morphs into some sort of eclipse or other planetary event. As this eclipse image occurs several times in video I'm thinking it is just Heliophant's signature. At any rate, on it stand 'Sun Sue', holding a white flag, wearing the tiger and prepared to stand her ground, but she is stopped by 'Skullduggery'.
At 3:47 you finally see the golden-colored, heart-flamed man is Jesus in a state of trance riding on an Egyptian boat with Anubis, the god of the dead, prominently displayed at the front. The crown of thorns on his head is actually barbed wire. This is what Heliophant says about the Jesus character: "That's YOU!!! when you stand in the awareness of your sonship with the Divine and the brotherhood of mankind!!!"
At 3:59 you see Ludovic trying to break free. Another put it very interestingly: "though they have no mind no more (sic), because the mind of a person is THE hook for satan to rule with--therefore, they have to die to it" What I first thought when I read that--duality and ego death.
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3:04 could just be organized religion.
3:24 the man is pulling the ribbon off a gun. I read that the gun was a present and it was about child soldiers.
I did find it very curious that "Sun Sue" was aggressive while holding the surrender flag. It's definitely a reference to Tienanmen square.
I believe 4:05 is showing Jesus traveling through different dimensions, but my intuitions are sketchy on it's meaning.
At 4:09 Jesus passes under what, to me, looks like a uvula. I interpret this as the throat chakra and others made suggestions of him also passing through other lower chakras at earlier points in the video and how at each passage the flame was moved up through those points.
At 4:21 you see, what I've learned by others, The Keeper of the Flame. I still need to do some research on that as I don't know anything about it. Nonetheless, this keeper is rejoicing in the destruction and depicts many different faces via the mask--the four Earth elements comes to my mind prominently (this actually happens more around 5:30). This is also the same character who, wearing a sad mask, committed suicide by jumping off the cliff into the water earlier in the video.
At 4:28 you see fish jumping into the boat with Jesus. I'm thinking it could signify the end of the Piscean age or maybe the the idea that these fish would rather jump out of their structure/life support/ideology to go where he is going than stay in their own comfort zone.
At 5:04 you see Jesus blast through and destroy rank upon rank of businessmen who look as though they are made of nothing but dust. I see it as us blasting through this pointless, clone-like, materialistic paradigm that we've been told we need to line up for.
At 5:14 Ludovic is finally free and starts heading for the sunrise.
At 5:20 the heart of Islam is reborn and free.
At 5:46 you see Jesus exiting under the image of a demon--Lotus blossom across his path He finally wakes up--fire in his eyes as he leaves, what turns out to be church, crumbling behind him. The crown of barbwire disappears and he too is free to face a new sun--which via solar flares has destroyed the last remaining power structures.
Wow, my observation skills really are lacking. I've only seen it twice now but those are interesting points you've made. I really dislike the.video but it is very interesting to read your analysis:).
Oh, it didn't provoke my thoughts at all:/.
I wonder why you've put "Anti-Christ" as an option, though. To me it seems the opposite, since I'm assuming the guy in the boat is Jesus. To me it looks like he is the figure which is supposed to lead us away from the "system" (which is quite clearly shown to be a bad thing). I don't know, there's a sunrise, so maybe that's supposed to represent a new day (or basically a new system or whatever). The religious message is obvious (pro religion).
Some of it was strange, but I think a lot of it was very obvious. The whole president=puppets was especially blatant. From what I've heard about it, it sounds like something from the New World Order conspiracy. I mean the person controlling the puppet has a $ ring on, I think it's quite clear what the message is there. And is that blood on the other hand? I'm not entirely sure:S. The puppet (who I'm assuming is Bush) is dancing and also then ends up pointing his finger, which is very obvious. The next guy (I'm assuming is Obama) is wearing one of those hats which are linked to academia.
Bleh, it had way too much for me to write a short answer about, which is what I'm trying to do. But most of it was very obvious: terrorists, puppets, that baby being grown unnaturally, I guess, kids being brainwashed, the American flag ripped in half, blah blah blah. I really don't know, that was just my interpretation and there's so much that I could just go on and on and on, and I don't want to bore you:P! There's just so much of it that I could probably write an essay.
It's all very dramatic. What do you think about it, what was so thought provoking? Because for me it was too obvious to cause anyone to think. Although, because I don't live in America or know much about their politics, my interpretation is most likely very stupid and a shallow observation.
3 years ago i dreamt that my boyfriend's brother plotted to murder me. He talked my bf into getting the knife for him and chased me down the street and around the corner into this ditch thing, where i almost escaped. But then i attended a nearby funeral and a dark car with two suits pulled up. The men got out of the car and one of them stabbed me in my chest. I woke up and was freaked out about that dream for a while.
In a recent dream, my boyfriend and his brother were showering in some sort of locker room and the brother was invisible (thank God). I had a weapon similar to a small ball and chain. My bf was saying "don't do it, don't do it!" But I did it. I whipped the device toward my boyfriend's feet and bit of blood flowed down the drain. I guess his invisible head was cowering beneath my boyfriend's feet. I felt great when i woke up, like i really accomplished something. It's good to be in touch with your dreams.
Wow those are some intense dreams. I can understand why a boyfriend might show up in many dreams, but why his brother? And why is the climate between you two so violent in your dreams?
So, you are suggesting that this video was the dream of the one that created it?
You're pretty spot-on actually ;)
For some reason my comments go to the wrong thread sometimes. Lol. This was meant to go to a post about dreams making someone angry in their waking life. I even double checked, so i have no idea what happened here. but yeah, i don't trust his bro one bit. He is a shitter and i don't like his influence over my bf.
I would love to watch this video, but my internet is too slow. Sorry. I'm just gonna move this now... :/
Attention getter. Although very nicely animated, very watchable, and even memorable. I enjoyed it, but I felt like it played every trick in the book to get attention with the imagery of sex, religion, and - for want of a better word - mysticalism. You can't miss the huge phallus or the repeated representation of sperm.
It looks cleverer than it is. It did remind me of someone tugging at my sleeve, looking for attention, though. It should have been slower, less immediate, less MTV generation. It should have given time for a thesis to build.
What I did notice, though, were the things that were in reverse. The old lady regressing (or conceiving?). Jesus' crown of thorns disappearing. It's odd you mention "Anti-Christ" as an option. The ending looked rather hot (although not hellish).
In short, I don't know. Not only that, but I'm notoriously bad at interpreting things. I really, really am.
I find your take on it very interesting. I gotta say though it would kind of make sense that this would be created with that kind of sensationalism because that is what is needed to keep people's attention nowadays.
I have a suspicion that the groups of people who are VERY interested in what this video has to say, very OFFENDED by what this video has to say and too bored or cynical to even give it the whole 7 minutes and 27 seconds is very telling toward those groups. That is one reason why I posted it here--because the climate here is quite different from other forums.
Another reason is that I believe it gives a positive message.
Yes, sadly, I guess that is what is required to keep brains focussed. One little point I will make is that I woke up thinking about the video in that the little cross on the phallus looks like a Prince Albert and that kind of stuff always makes me cross my legs. I was even crossing my legs in bed. :)
Haha, I'm feeling a bit stupid now because I actually missed that the first time I saw it! How observant of me:P.
And I agree with the attention thing, it was a completely in your face style video. I really didn't like it at all:/.
Well, you certainly have nothing to feel stupid about. It's probably just not your thing and that's cool. I had a lot of fun delving into it and even though few of the ideas presented were new to me it was still (for me) a jaw-dropping presentation.
To be honest, I wouldn't go by what I say. I really am bad at this stuff. I miss the obvious and then feel a bit daft when people point it out. I'm the same with a lot of stuff in the humanities. :/
I'm the same:/. I basically ended up reiterating the most obvious parts because I had no idea what half of it was going on about. Seriously, what on earth is that old woman supposed to represent:S?
Stupid video D:!
Well, if you end up reading my analysis please feel free to NOT feel daft :)
I'm amazed you got all that. How many times did you have to watch it? This stuff just goes over my head most of the time.
I watched it two maybe three times when I first saw it, then I looked through a bunch of still shots someone else had created, and then finally to make a response to bananaface I watched it one more time while hitting pause for all my reference points. I took all my own ideas and the insights I had come across from others that intuitively I agreed with best, then I meshed them all together--so it wasn't just all me :)