Will america have “universal healthcare” one day kind of like europe does?

Think US is only developed country without Universals Healthcare!!

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  • TheBlindInquisitor

    Not as long as republicans have a say and if the democrats had any balls which they don't.

    I call it as I see it insurance company's tend to lobby big to keep there agendas in check and universal healthcare gose against that so I think people should stop wasting time and thinking we could end up getting it.

    Most Americans think that it's a gateway to communism so even if you could beat the lobbiest group you'd have to convince half of the country that it isn't a bad thing.

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    • In America a stable job (not difficult to get) and even a low paying job can pay for the costs of healthcare. If you can’t be bothered getting a job and contributing to society then why should a doctor be bothered saving your life? Plus universal healthcare means the government controls the health service and I don’t want someone like Trump controlling whether I live or die.

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      • TheBlindInquisitor

        You assume that people who wish for free healthcare are jobless bums who leech off the system?

        Why do we pay taxes?

        Free healthcare would be no different then all the other things that citizens pay into.

        Your a good example as to why America will never have it thank you for proving my point seriously thank you.

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  • Ummitsstillme

    This about somes it up:

    https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/angry-doctor-tees-off-on-american-patients-051017/

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  • trexagireve

    Based on the voters who want Trump for president, NO!!

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  • randomperson1000000

    As long as money is allowed to enter politics, I'm going to have to assume "no."

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  • jethro

    There is no money to be made with universal health care. So the answer is No, the US will never have it. As soon as they can figure out how to milk every dollar out of it and put it in their pockets, especially for the politicians, you will never see it succeed .

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  • Lestat565

    I think it will happen here eventually. A majority of Americans want it. Sure there’s downsides to it but it’s better than what we have now. Medical bankruptcy is one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in the country. 45 thousand people die each year cause they don’t have access to medical care.

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  • LloydAsher

    Only if we want America to stop marching forward in advances in medical technology. Americans think differently then "most" people of the world. Capitalism is so entrenched in our lives that taking away the profit of formulating new drugs will cause the bulk of the enthusiasm for making it go away. Now I’m a full blown libertarian capitalist I don’t want to muddle into people’s lives I don’t care if you want no health care, standard or replacement kidney on a silver platter kind of care. What’s important to me is people having the OPPORTUNITY to choose what they want for themselves and who they care about (family, close friends etc) Universal healthcare FORCES you the tax payer to pay for things you might not agree with abortions blood donations etc. I believe the old system of pay what you think you would need is good enough. Since when has America played by the example of another country?

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    • Ellenna

      You've left out all the people who can't AFFORD to "pay what (they) think they would need" and therefore have a choice about medical treatment under the usa system or who end up in debt to the extent of banruptcy.

      How would a public health system prevent the formulation of new drugs? It could well have the opposite effect: more people being able to afford to go to the doctor and be prescribed more drugs.

      Surely the proceeds of taxation is intended to benefit the community as a whole? What about people who don't drive but whose taxes pay for roads; childless people whose taxes help to fund childcare and education; pacifists whose taxes fund wars and weapons? If the usa is running out of taxation money there are plenty of steps which could be taken to remedy this: just one suggestion would be to remove tax exempt status from all religious entites, that would add billions to the federal revenue.

      As to the usa not following the example of other countries, why is that necessarily a bad thing? It's the example which is important not false pride in the notion that the usa always has the perfect answer to everything for the rest of the world to follow.

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      • McBean

        You're damn right it's not perfect. When my family and I lived in Australia long ago, my wife got Endometriosis. The Australian doctors tried to treat it with medications to suppress the symptoms. Unfortunately, this therapy didn't have quite the effectiveness to fix the problem. The doctors said to take the medications and "make the best of it." When we returned to the States, she saw the American doctors who after reading her Australian medical charts, said she was a year past due for surgery.

        Fortunately, we had enough income to have comprehensive medical insurance. The surgery was successful, but we were warned that because of the one year delay, there was a reasonable chance she would develop B-cell lymphoma in 20 years. Sure enough, she did. She died at age 59, thanks to Australia's socialized medical care.

        Australians are unaware of the heavy price they pay for having this system. People get excellent preventative care, but receive terrible end-stage care. This makes life better for "the many" at the expense of "the few." When you hear "slip, slop, slap" advertised, you better take it seriously. If you get melanoma there will be no mercy. You buy your own gravestone.

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        • Ellenna

          I'd be the first to admit that the Australian healthcare system isn't perfect and of course medical staff can make mistakes, but that doesn't alter the fact that overall it's affordable by everyone.

          Are you suggesting that a year's delay in surgery for endometriosis led to her developing lymphoma? What would have happened in the usa with this condition if you didn't have private health insurance.

          I don't understand your final paragraph and how it relates to the principle of universal government healthcare.

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          • McBean

            Yes. The year delay in surgery for endometriosis DID cause the lymphoma. This was verified by the American oncologists that treated it. The Australian medical staff made no mistakes. There were simply no resources under the Australian system for the surgery. She got the same medical treatment in Australia that she would have gotten in the USA, if we had no insurance.

            The point is that universal health care causes problems. People die needlessly but also less expensively because of this system.

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            • Ellenna

              If the necessary surgery was a hysterectomy I don't understand why that didn't happen in Australia.

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  • Mrown

    "Universal healthcare" in Europe is shit. You have to wait months for an appointment, some people die because they were diagnosed too late. It's honestly better to just go to a private doctor.

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    • Boojum

      Do you have any experience of healthcare in various European countries, or do you base that comment on Fox "News" propaganda?

      I have a few decades experience with the British NHS, some experience of the Italian health system, and our daughter was born in The Netherlands. No system is perfect and, unless you're wealthy, there's nowhere in the world where you'll be seen and treated at a moment's notice for every minor complaint.

      The NHS makes mistakes because it's a massive system composed of thousands of fallible people working under great pressure due to a British Conservative government that would love to turn Britain into the Fifty-First State where the rich get whatever the fuck they want, and everyone else can just go and fuck themselves.

      You'll always have whingers who complain about how they aren't immediately rushed into surgery if they call for an ambulance because they have an ingrown toenail. But the vast majority of reasonable people who have real experience of the NHS have a very positive view of it.

      In serious cases, the NHS can move with surprising speed and efficiency. In 1993, my late wife was experiencing visual problems, so she went to seen an optometrist to get new glasses. He examined her eyes, saw something he didn't like the look of, and called the local hospital's ophthalmology department. She was seen by an ophthalmologist that afternoon, and booked in for a scan the next day. After the scan, a neurosurgeon broke the news to her that she had a brain tumour, and she was scheduled for surgery the following week. The operation took about eight hours, and she was in hospital for about a week afterwards, then she had a course of radiotherapy that lasted about a month.

      And, of course, since it's the NHS, none of this cost us a penny, whereas if we'd been in the States, we probably would have ended up one of many thousands of people who are medically-induced bankrupts.

      During the whole process, she was treated with care and compassion by people who knew their shit, and she had more than a decade of completely normal life before the tumour recurred. She then had another long session on the operating table, but unfortunately the treatments then available (this was more than a decade ago) meant the outcome wasn't so positive.

      Fortunately, I haven't had any medical issues as serious as that, and nor has my current wife or our daughter, but when we have had minor problems, we have had no problem seeing a GP on the same day, and we have generally seen a specialist within a few weeks of being referred.

      I do find it ironic that, in the horrendously expensive and bureaucratic American health care system, people have to wait an average of 24 days to see a doctor, and it can take more than 50 days in some places, but people still believe that systems like the NHS are uncaring and inefficient.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2017/03/19/doctor-wait-times-soar-amid-trumpcare-debate/#75ecccb2e740

      Americans are being conned by people with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo and who keep pushing the idea that "socialised medicine" is the work of the devil. The election of Trump shows that an awful lot of Americans are incredibly stupid, so I have no expectation that they'll ever figure out they're being taken for a ride.

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      • Ellenna

        Good response! Australia's Medicare system is similar to the NHS, and not perfect either: for example, the government hasn't increased the rebate on GP's fees, which results in a gap people not on government benefits have to meet. Some assembly line type clinics bulk bill everyone.

        Most specialists on the public health system are booked out for months, although not always. When I was diagnosed with cataracts I got a specialist appointment in a couple of weeks, had one cataract removed about a month later and the second one a month or so later. No cost at all for anything, not even the eyedrops or the eyepatch and professional caring treatment all the way.

        If the private health funds in the usa are so terrified of "socialised medicine" they haven't looked at the situation here, where lots of people (if they can afford it) take out private health cover, especially if they need such things as physiotherapy, optical, dental and so on. People with private health cover can get into luxury private hospital rooms but that doesn't necessarily mean they'd be getting superior medical treatment although the food and decor might be better.

        I don't get it why usa citizens are so afraid of "socialised medicine" but not of socialised roads, railways and libraries!

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        • charli.m

          I thought the biggest thing about private hospital cover was that you got to pick your doctor and you got seen faster?

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          • Ellenna

            That's a myth many people fall for and discovering it's a myth is the reason so many Australians have abandoned private health cover. I agree you can get appointments with specialists faster if you have private health cover but that doesn't mean you'll be able to choose your doctor if you end up in hospital, it'll be whoever it available, just as it is for people with no private cover.

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            • charli.m

              Well, yes, I wasn't under the illusion that you had much choice for emergency surgeries. I guess I wasn't clear enough, sorry. I meant for elective/non emergency surgeries, you get seen quicker and can choose which doctor. On medicare, you have to wait on the list (but you still get done, in a kind of triaged manner, as beds/surgeons are available). Is that also not true?

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      • Mrown

        I didn't say everybody is mistreated by NHS, but I and people I know definitely were. I don't doubt there are passionate people working for it, but I definitely did not met them. Also I don't live in GB or USA so I don't have Fox News in my country. Probably the healthcare in GB is better than in my country.

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  • chuy

    We already do.....is called obamacare, which trumo is trying to get rid of.

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  • RoseIsabella

    Maybe.

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