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Just saw the Ray Rice video. His reaction was normal. Don't you guys think so? The bitch was all up in his face. She appears to spit at him. And she looked drunk! So you ruin a great career over this? He should have gotten an award for being a real man. What he did WAS NORMAL!
I HAD to watch the video.
This guy needs to be fucking arrested for assault and battery as well as felony striking a female. She did not pose a reasonable enough of a threat to him to warrant his hitting her so hard that she is knocked up against the elevator and knocked unconscious.
If it was a TRUE act of passion or self-defense and he gave a shit about her, he wouldn't have been dragging her body out so carelessly, kicking her as he stepped over her and allowing her to lay there with her skirt open and then pulling her up when she does regain consciousness.
The man looks like a fucking monster on that video. I know that reaction, I have seen and been in similar scenes (save for my lack of aggression). If he was legitimately a victim of abuse from her, then maybe I'll change my mind. However, she is a smaller female and he is a football player. Anyone who is used to being the stronger person in a situation knows that they must exercise self-restraint in their actions, whether they are male or female. That event did not warrant such a strong reaction.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-elevator-knockout-fiancee-takes-crushing-punch-video/
I saw the video in full and it was upsetting to watch, especially watching her sitting and crying on the floor. I wish the media would show the entire video except for vague sippers. I read a statement the other day where Janay said that "his punch felt like a kiss". It's so sad.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. She slaps him before entering the elevator, she hits him again in the elevator in which he then tries to back away, she charges at him, and then he retaliates when backing away does not work.
As for the elevator thing, it makes sense to me. Someone is passed out in the elevator, I would drag them out of the elevator too so it doesn't go down or hold up a fuss. If someone was unconcious that you knew in an elevator, would you just leave them in the elevator?
Infact, I would say you are blaming the victim here, Neuro, which is something I'm not sure I've seen you do before.
I don't understand how people can't treat men as humans in these cases, that thinking just because they are physically stronger that such a situation doesn't scare men that would make them strike out like that. This is the type of thing that allows women to abuse men, the whole "He's stronger, it's allowed"...Jesus, I have seen a woman that set her husband on fire premedetated get awards and praised for doing it because her partner was apparently abusive, but when something like this happens, the woman is showing abusive behaviors, the guy is putting up with it and even backs away, then retaliates when the woman is not allowing him to back away, then apparently he's a monster?
I don't think he's a monster, either. How many monsters allow their so called "victims" to assault them and then back away when they do it again only to retaliate when backed in to a corner? That's not a monster, that's more like a frightened animal.
And I am also sick of this "Stronger means you have to have no power" arguement, it only makes females abusing men seem acceptable, laughable, and so on. If someone is not allowed to use their strength because they have more strength then that means the woman is the only one alalowed to use their strength, therefor the one with most strength.
I didn't expect this from yourself, Neuro.
It's not just an issue of male and female, it's an issue of legality and an issue of social responsibility.
It is illegal in the US to use significantly more force to neutralize a threat than the threat is producing. In terms of physical strength and size, he legally used significantly more force than necessary which leads to my next point: social responsibility.
I am 5'5" and 125 lbs. I am fit and stronger than most females my size as well as many males. If someone smaller than me came at me in that manner and I reacted by punching them unconscious, I would be in the wrong. Why? Because I have the training and strength to restrain them. I have been in such fights, I have thrown warning hits to stun my opponent and I have used restraining tactics. Like him, I have the means to defend myself without causing serious harm.
Non-lethal self defense should always be the first method of self defense. Knocking someone unconscious is an act of lethal force. He could have killed her. I could give you over 9000 links proving that a knockout punch can be deadly. He responded to a threat from a weaker individual with lethal force first. That would not be condoned from anyone else and it should not be condoned from him.
And yes, I HAVE used more force than necessary, by accident, against a male who DID come at me and was bigger than me, simply by not understanding what I was doing and I did get into legal trouble. Gender is only a small part of this. Despite my mention of it in previous posts, gender has little to do with this situation outside of the emotional context. If my being a female, oh so privileged by society, didn't save me from the consequences, why should anyone else be saved?
How are we to know that in this situation he intended for his hit to cause that, though? To me it looks pretty clear he was frightened of the situation given how quickly he hit when she flew at him.
Regardless of that, I still don't think that is relevant to the issue. He used more force against her force, where as she used force against him when he wasn't using any and was backing away from her.
If I was to agree that what he did was wrong, that doesn't change the fact that even if his hit was more violent, it was done out of self defense, possibly out of fear, where as the whole situation was initiated by her.
Her abusing him isn't even being talked about on this issue on news outlets.
She is the villain here, not him. Unless we can know if his intention was to knock her out rather than just to hit her back, painting him as anything other than a victim that used the wrong methods is wrong in my eyes.
Again, his response was out of retaliation.
Her response was out of intent to harm.
Who would you say is more of a villian in this situation? The person that did not initiate the violence, tried to back away from the violence, then resorted to violence when the abuser charged him?
Or someone initiating violence for no reason, continued to be violent when he did nothing, then tried to be more violent when he backed away in to a corner?
Put blame where blame is deserved. This would of never happened if she had not initiated the violence, which in a lot of these cases of domestic violence (70% odd) tends to be the case.
We need to stop blaming the victim. She caused this situation to happen.
His overreaction was an overreaction regardless. To say that a man who has professional strength training does not know his own strength and his reaction was due to that is completely neglectful of the fact that he has this training and hopefully the cognitive ability to be able to successfully identify a threat. He was her boyfriend, he had to know how dangerous he was.
Who was at fault? She provoked him, she invited the attack. She should also be prosecuted. He was also, legally, in the wrong and gives the public the impression that the best self defense is the most lethal and that isn't true. That defense wouldn't hold for anyone in court.
He is only responsible for his actions and his action was an act of overkill. I don't know if they have an abusive relationship and I don't care. Prosecute them both, not just one.
I was under the impression that he got a one-time free punch card from the NFL. Pun intended.
In all seriousness, the guy is a tool for punching her. And she doesn't have much self-worth considering she stayed with him.
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I'm not one of those people that subscribes to the notion that 'a man should never under any circumstances hit a woman.' That's ridiculous to me.
However, I didn't get the impression that she was genuinely posing any kind of threat to the guy - it seemed like a punch was excessive.
I don't particularly care, mind you. Don't know who Ray Rice is or the lady.
I don't know the full story so, I'm iffy about jumping on this and accusing him of being abusive. The truth of the matter is that in this country, there is a lot of domestic abuse where the woman is the abuser. However, it isn't taken seriously. It is taken seriously in Canada, though. This is the unfair and man-hating society we live in. If she came at him with violence and threats, he had every right to defend himself. If she didn't and he hit her, it would be abuse on his part.
First of all I think this is a troll post which I don't usually bother answering...but this gives me a good reason to say why I hate football and other pro sports!
Apparently its perfectly fine for a player to beat up women, run dog fighting rings where they torture animals, and rape underage girls. All of this gets a slap on the wrist. But God forbid someone makes a racist remark or says they don't believe in gay marriage. Which is not a crime, in fact it seems this industry is fine with criminal behavior except if you use your freedom of speech. As far as I know saying you don't believe in gay marriage and calling someone a racist slur isn't as bad as harming people and animals.
She slaps him before getting in to the elevator.
- He does nothing.
She hits him in the elevator.
- He does nothing but back away from her.
She charges at him.
- He hits her.
Somehow HE is the abusive one here? Under what reasoning? There was a pattern in the whole situation, eachtime she hit him or showed aggression it escalated, even I can see that, so what is he to do? Just sit there and allow the violence against him to escalate?
I am so sick of how this society tells us to treat women with respect all the same time treating women like children. The vast majority of men know there's a line you don't cross otherwise you're going to get blasted in the face, we all know this, we don't go past that point, but for women it seems so many do not know that point because people allow them, society as a whole actually, allows them to constantly go beyond that point and then coddles her when the person retaliates.
Now look at this situation. Look at it. Can you tell me that this situation would of taken place if she had not been aggressive to him? Fuck your "Oh, she wasn't aggressive enough, doe" bullshit, she was aggressive and her aggression was escalating. Would thi situation of taken place if SHE didn't initiate the violence? The answer, clearly, is no, this would not of happened...
I am so sick of this society telling men not to hit a woman back in these cases rather than telling a woman not to hit a man for no reason.
SHE initiated the situation. SHE initiated the violence. SHE was the aggressor. HE suffers. HIS life is ruined.
Thanks for reminding me society that if a woman hits me, I should do nothing. If she hits me again, I should step back and distance myself. If she comes after me, fetal position.
Ugh. Fuck this world. Women are the oppressed, amirite? Never knew a society where the oppressed can hit the oppressive group and be the one defended while the oppressor is punished. Oh, wait...That isn't how oppression works.
Like I said, fuck this world. Nice to know that if I am abused, as a man, I have to look after the safety of the abuser or be faced with my life coming down around me.
But, this comment will be thumbed down, as such comments always are, because how dare I say that a guy that didn't retaliate twice and tried to back away was right in hitting the person abusing him, amirite?
Cus raisins.
hmm well lets see, he knocked her out and dragged her like a caveman. She smacked at him and got up in his face Fair fight !Oh he was in so much danger he had to knock her unconscious because she was hurting him sooo much. Do you realize what a whiney little bitch you sound like yourself?
Im glad I don't have a daughter because she might meet a caveman like YOU.
Yes, he knocked her out after being attacked by her. He done it in a quick manner which can probably be due to being frightened of the situation of another person hitting him, because, you know, men are people, too, our muscles do not make us not frightened of those wishing to harm us.
He took her out of an elevator where she was unconcious...Would you not do the same for someone that is unconcious that you knew? We do not know his reasons for taking her out of the elevator, but I'd assume it's due to it being a concealed area which people use, in which having her off the elevator would be more rational, where as you would just rather believe he dragged her around for the hell of it.
Yes, she slapped him, hit him while he was behind her, he backed away, and then she charged at him, which is when he hit back. HE tried to get out of the situation by stepping away from her, SHE continued the aggression, what is he supposed to do just stand there and allow her to hit him? Oh, yeah, because that is totally not caveman like, right? Woman smacking a man and then trying to attack him more = Lady like. Man allows her to slap him, steps away when she hits him again, then hits back when she is charging at him = Barbaric.
Let's not pretend you have some morality here, the fact is you're just a sexist douche, it isn't that he knocked someone out, it's that he knocked a woman out even when she was attacking him, and in your little mind a man should just accept abuse from women.
Yes, violence hurts. You, being the moron that you are, just assume that being stronger means you can't feel pain from those hitting you, as if men are somehow immune to a slap or an elbow if it comes from a woman.
Oh, and you have the nerve to call me a whiney little bitch? You that complains that a woman hitting a man gets hit back because he shouldn't be allowed to, which means you think you're sooooo tough, as a woman, as to hit men ONLY because they won't hit you back, but the second they hit back you scream that it is wrong? You have the nerve to call me a whiney bitch because you don't like the idea you can push around someone and they can hit back?
No, you are certainly the whiny, cunty, bitch here. You want women to be able to hit men without hitting back because you too much of a cunt to hit someone that can hit back, so you try and shame those that say "No, hold on, you shouldn't be hitting us" because without your ability to hit without retaliation, you get what you deserve, and as a little bitch you are, you'd rather have it that you can hit someone without them being allowed to hit back (a fucking coward) than get hit back by the person you assault.
I'm glad you don't have a daughter, either. She'd be raised by an utter cunt that thinks she's a princess and can do whatever she wants without taking responsibility for her actions.
I also like how you couldn't even address what I stated in my comment, though, because you're a fuckin imbecile unable to refute a twenty one year old's points. Dipshit.
No real man would hit a woman unless she was attacking him and posing an actual threat.
Spitting is NEVER an excuse to punch somebody, escpecially someone noticably smaller than you.
In this scenario the only way someone could a be real man is to walk in and protect the victim.
She slapped him before entering the elevator, she hit him in the elevator, he backed away so she couldn't hit him, she charged at him in which then he hit her.
Your version of a man is a punching bag. If being a real man means having no self respect in regards to women assaulting me, then I don't think being a "real man" is an admirable trait.
Re-read my first sentence. If she was posing an actual threat then yes his actions would be justified.
That does not justify her actions. Just because you are weaker does not mean you don't deserve to be treated they wayou treat others, nor does it excuse the abuse they initiated.
I really don't understand your logic here, you're saying that a smaller person (lets forget about who's a man and who's a woman) spits on a stronger person and the stronger person can now knock the smaller one unconscious and be perfectly justified in doing so? You don't see that as an over-reaction?
If you approve of and emulate his actions then you are most likely going to be spending much of your life as your cellmate's bitch. It doesn't take a much of a man to hit a woman; it takes a real pussy and a coward.