Why in tarnation does anyone believe gay sex is immoral?

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I have a Christian family, and many christian sort of friends. And it came to my attention, that they believe gay sex is immoral and is a terrible sin. It says so in the bible also I'm pretty sure. To me this sounds just outrageous that some god in heaven can tell a guy where he can and cannot poke his dick! So I want to hear from ya'll christians on here as to why on earth they believe something so ridiculous? Or if you are a christian who doesn't beleive in that aspect of the religion, my question is why do you beleive in a book that ALSO says gay sex is evil? How can someone say something that ridiculous and still be right on the origins of the world and eternity? If you are not a christian, what do you think of the idea? A lot of people are here like to defend christians even though they aren't one themselves. How can you still respect christians in light of this and also the whole no sex before marriage shit?

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  • Grunewald
    4 years ago

    I am a believing Christian who personally likes God and tries to do as God wills, with some degree of conscientiousness, in the spirit of the Bible texts. I'm sure most of you already know that. I also experience physical attraction for both sexes. I'm trying to recover from a painful crush on a married woman right now.

    I am sorry that you have received harsh and unfair treatment from people you have known who identify as Christian. There is a lot of anger in your posts to be sure and it probably expresses your pain.

    If you are interested in understanding why many Christians do not consider gay sex to be spiritually acceptable, I think you could maybe ask when you are feeling calm, and open to understanding points of view that you disagree with, rather than angry and interested in deriding them. For the record, I am one of the Christians who believe this, even though most of my crushes are on women and I am a woman. Many people in my church believe like you that there is nothing wrong with gay sex and that I am depriving myself unnecessarily. We can all only do according to our conscience.

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    • Doesnormalmatter
      4 years ago

      How exactly do you believe the bible, when it condemns homosexuality? Do you mean to tell me you never slept with a women only because an ancient book says so, when you are strongly attracted to them? I am not mad. To be quite frank, I feel very, very sorry for you.

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      • Grunewald
        4 years ago

        How do you believe in the government, when it condemns drug trafficking? I mean, how dare the government not just cease to exist?

        Do you believe in human liberties only because an ancient book says so (the Magna Carta) or only because the internet says so? Or because of the internet, which grew out of the society that produced the ancient book, which said so? There are many, many reasons a person might believe in something. Maybe a person can have more than one one reason...

        Think about these things then come back to me.

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        • Indigo1
          4 years ago

          Difference is your god and bible is supposed to be omniscient
          Government is not

          Don't want to attack you, just thought id point that out though.

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        • Doesnormalmatter
          4 years ago

          Drugs put other people at risk. For one, my uncle was killed by a driver who was high. Does having gay sex put anyone else at risk? Did the fact that someone was gay kill a relative of yours?

          In terms of every other important text or what have you, like the magna carta, they need to all be taken with a grain of salt. Do you really think the magna carta or the US constitution is absolutly 100% flawless in everyway and cannot possibly be flawed just based off who wrote it? Because that is how christians view the bible. Trust me mate, I grew up christian. The bible is not a book open to interpratation that could be wrong but seems like its on the right track kinda thing, its the holy word of god and cannot possibly be flawed or not applicable to modern society. Its this absolute view where problems arise.

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          • Grunewald
            4 years ago

            You asked me why I believe. But everything you have then written or asked since then is an argument of sorts against believing. You will not simply permit me to believe, permit me to be, without projecting what you think I am onto me before I can tell you, or pronouncing your opinions on why you think I believe before you really know properly. I am an individual. I am from a different church, city, intellectual culture - even a different country from you. If you were simply open to hearing why I believe, on my terms, then I might tell you. There would be no expectation for you to believe it too - but if we're on a level playing field, there should be no expectation or attempt to make me accept that you are right, either.

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            • Doesnormalmatter
              4 years ago

              I am confused. I comment and detest your last comment, and now you say I am off topic. Why don't we circle back to the question I asked originally? How do you beleive in a god who condemns something that you have a natural desire for when a majority of people have no desire for gay sex? Don't you think this god that you believe in was kinda not being fair when he decided you were going to be part homosexual?

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  • [Old Memory]
    4 years ago

    I haven't heard 'tarnation' since my old grandmother died in 'ought' 3.

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    • Doesnormalmatter
      4 years ago

      Well I still say it. Sounds edgy.

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  • Doesnormalmatter
    4 years ago

    That is what I think as well! I still wonder how so many people believe it, but clearly it has some persuasive power to it if that many people don't know better. Its kinda sad how many people still believe it.

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  • Cuntsiclestick
    4 years ago

    One of the things I noticed about religious people over the years is that the same people that said that LGBTQA people should be separated from society, shouldn't get married, or should be fixed are:

    - Men that will secretly suck dick, pursue transgender women, try to fuck two lesbians, and watch lesbian and trans porn.

    - Women who think gay guys are hot and fap to yaoi and gay porn.

    It's kind of hypocritical to me since they're sexualizing people they claim they dont like. Are they just sexual objects to them and nothing more? I'm not saying all religious people are like this, it's just an observation of mine.

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    • Doesnormalmatter
      4 years ago

      I have not heard of this much to be honest, although I would noy be surprised. My question for you, is where do you draw the line with these people? Like what if someone is against gay marriage because they think a mother is crucial for child development, but is totally fine with you sleeping with guys?Or what if their fine with someone with a dick injecting estrogen in their ass and wearing a wig, but the refuse to call that someone with a dick a she?

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      • Cuntsiclestick
        4 years ago

        I honestly dont know.

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  • SwickDinging
    4 years ago

    Apparently it says so in the Bible, and therefore they have to disapprove. But I'm not 100% convinced that the Bible is clear on it. Not that I believe in it anyway, but I have read the passages where it apparently outright denounces homosexuality and I really feel like they are open to interpretation. So I can't help but think that people are willfully interpreting it in a homophobic way. Not necessarily because they hate gay people, but probably more likely just because their Pastor/Father etc has told them to interpret it that way. So it's more like a cultural bias.

    I'm no theological expert, that's just my two cents on it. Feel free to jump in and tell me I'm wrong.

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    • Doesnormalmatter
      4 years ago

      Interesting point. I struggled with this also with the premarital sex thing. The bible never outright says that either. This to me, is more evidence that the bible is horse shit. Think about it, if you were a god and wanted all humanity to behave, the least you could do is CLEARLY outline the rules in your damn book! But every christian I have heard on the matter, is against it, so that's what I'm going with.

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      • SwickDinging
        4 years ago

        Haha I'm just imagining judgement day in front of God-

        "Doesnormalmatter, you engaged in premarital sex. What do you have to say in your defence?"

        "The least you could have done is clearly outline the rules in your book! Wtf do you expect??"

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        • Doesnormalmatter
          4 years ago

          Looooool! I know I make a bigger deal out of it than most people, but that is because it used to worry about it so damn much and it fucked me up. That shits funny though hahaha.

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    • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk
      4 years ago

      aint it the same section that condemns eatin shellfish and wearin fabrics madea different materials?

      its cherrypicked

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      • SwickDinging
        4 years ago

        That is one of the sections it's mentioned in, yes. That and Leviticus are the main ones, I think.

        It's strange how one could look at these very clearly defined rules about clothes and food and keeping cattle and call them "of their time" and not relevant, as so many Christians do, and yet the vague passages about man lying with another man are definitely about gay sex, are definitely still wrong and you will definitely go to hell for it.

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        • CozmoWank
          4 years ago

          If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act.
          –Leviticus 20:13

          Maybe it means men are required to be truthful with each other. But with women, eh, not so much.

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          • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk
            4 years ago

            thou shalt not witness false bears

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            • CozmoWank
              4 years ago

              That only happens when I'm over-medicated.

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          • whynotnow
            4 years ago

            What about Lesbians? Does the bible mention them?

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            • CozmoWank
              4 years ago

              Yeah, there's a passage that reads,
              "Nay Hephziba, thou is forbidden to frolic in the moistened valley of Esther."

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            • Doesnormalmatter
              4 years ago

              Not diretly I don't believe however every christian source I have seen on the matter agrees that homosexuality as a whole is bad, and that if men having sex with men is bad, so are lesbians.

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  • BleedingPain
    4 years ago

    People fear what they do not understand, and their fear is perpetuated by outside sources (ie religion) confirming those fears to be ok or acceptable.

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    • Doesnormalmatter
      4 years ago

      So people have a natural disposition against homosexuals so they use the bible as their excuse for confirming said belief? Is that what you are saying?

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      • BleedingPain
        4 years ago

        Not everyone has a natural disposition against homosexuals, but I believe that people who do use the bible as a crutch to aid their argument.

        I also don't believe in religion because I don't think it's necessary for a supernatural entity to tell me how to be a decent human being.

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        • Doesnormalmatter
          4 years ago

          Yep, of course its not everyone. It is a good chunk of them though, but that chunk is getting smaller everyday. As for you last sentence, I could not agree more!

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  • Doesnormalmatter
    4 years ago

    Agreed! I also think the forgiveness aspect of christianity is appealing. Not sure we will ever cure aging tho, I wouldn't count on it. Our existence is finite, so enjoy it while it lasts. Now excuse me while I jack off...

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  • Indigo1
    4 years ago

    Poop

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    • Doesnormalmatter
      4 years ago

      Come on mate, serious post here! Care to weigh in?

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      • Indigo1
        4 years ago

        Also technically without a god their is no true morality because the universe doesn't care about you, their is only morality within and with the natural human desire for well being in our conscious experience.

        For most of human history people have derived their morality from a fictitious gods, so the humans that created those gods by writing about them often included stances against homosexuality.

        Could be a variety of reasons the idea of homosexuality was looked down upon in the bronze ages, but one of them very well could be Poop.

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        • Doesnormalmatter
          4 years ago

          I don't know about that? No morality without a god? I am athiest and think many, many things are immoral. Do I need to list them off?

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          • Indigo1
            4 years ago

            the point im trying to draw anyway is we derive morality from within, but a lot of people look to their "omniscient" god for morality, and because that god is actually just the work of humans, you get stupid laws from "god" like homosexuality is bad.

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            • Doesnormalmatter
              4 years ago

              I would agree, morality comes from within. Remote tribes of indians who have no sense of god would still have a moral compass. God sets the standard, and to be quite frank, many of his moral ideas are good ones. But like you said, homosexuality is immoral and premarital sex is moral, both make me spit out my cereal and question god as a whole.

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          • Indigo1
            4 years ago

            no you're missing the point, it doesn't mean things are not wrong. plenty of things are immoral, because it comes from within you, we are conscious creatures who strive for well being.

            im just saying their is no true objective morality beyond our internal desire to be good. in the sense that the law of the universe doesn't dictate it. in other words the universe does not care if you murder, but we all do, and we shouldn't and that matters.

            in the words of a philosopher i forget the name of now "murder is not wrong, it's wrong for YOU to murder"

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      • Indigo1
        4 years ago

        No.. seriously, I think poop does play a role, maybe not the main one, but a role none the less. Think about it.. A lot less hygiene for most of human history, therefore primal humans would consider that place to be much more dirty and unsanitary, therefore people who did that were looked down upon as dirty/immoral.

        A lot of hatred towards gay sex is more aimed at male on male then female on female, and in part i believe because a poop shoot is often involved, naturally some people find the idea of the poop shoot gross and therefore cast judgment and hatred.

        Obviously there are a slew of reasons like societal norms and traditional masculine role pressure to conform, religion, also people have a hard time accepting that the desires they have are not universal because they feel them so strongly, so they may look at someone in a minority group of desire as wrong.

        Obviously non of this justifies hatred...it's just some quick thoughts on why people may wrongly think that gay sex is immoral.

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  • Ummitsstillme
    4 years ago

    Religions (specifically the western ones) are not fans of sexual activities that dont lead to or interfere with procreation, ie masturbation, homosexuality, contraception, abortion.

    I get that in the past human life was difficult to maintain, but in modern times with overpopulation and struggles in developing countries, encouraging anything that doesn't lead to too much breeding seems like a win to me.

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    • Doesnormalmatter
      4 years ago

      Very good point indeed. I even heard once that using a condom is a sin. I was like bruhhh...its a latex sleeve around my wang! Is there a certain way I have to wipe my ass to?

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  • Doesnormalmatter
    4 years ago

    The robot part makes sense know. But its worth mentioning that we are assuming through this all, that god is real and he created everything. I don't beleive either statment. My point is, that those two statments should not be true because a creator, if there was one, would not care where we stuck our dicks. Gay sex does no harm to anybody else, unlike every other immoral thing that we agree is immoral. It doesn't even fit the definition of the word. And how would you explain people who are born gay? Why would god create them? How is it fair for some individuals to have an unquenchable drive to do evil, while most people have a normal sex drive?

    As far as believing god created everything, I don't. And to me, the fact that god apparently sees gay sex as a sin, is indirect evidence that he is not indeed real. This is for reasons stated earlier, peimarily the idea that gay sex does no harm to anyone liks other immoral things.

    The bible does directly say not to have gay sex, and you can look up references online easily.

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  • leggs91200
    4 years ago

    Religions are a cult. Cults act stupid when someone believes something else.

    Usually it is men who have problems with LGBT. I cannot figure that out because if two men are in a relationship, that is two more prospects out there for the straight men.

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    • Doesnormalmatter
      4 years ago

      Yep, more chicks for me to pick from. Feel free to be gay! Also it seems like you agree with the post.

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      • leggs91200
        4 years ago

        What consenting adults do in private is their own business.
        But also, someone's sexual preference has exactly zero bearing on my opinion of them.
        As you might know by now, I am transgender and you would not believe how masculine some of the men are who seem interested in me. Not like pretty boys but bikers, construction men, bad boys, rough looking types. Sometimes it is actually a clean cut guy but usually not.

        For religion, they tend to believe a lot of things that are strange or impractical. It says in the bible that no one should work on the day of the Sabbath (presumably Sunday in our society, but no solid proof) yet people work. Even if not punching the clock, meals still have to be made, laundry done, cleaning, beat the kids, you know, just everyday chores.

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        • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk
          4 years ago

          my stove has a sabbath mode where yall can leave yalls jewish penicillin (chicken soup) simmerin for the whole day and be fed without havin to cook anythin

          any other mode and itll shut off by itself after a numbera hours cause they assume yall forgot & left it on

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          • leggs91200
            4 years ago

            WELL, guess that takes care of things. I suppose you hire some sinner to come and beat the kids also or does Alexa shame them at least?

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        • Doesnormalmatter
          4 years ago

          I would add that whatever consenting adults do should be safe and sane, but other than that, I totally agree with the concept. As a trans person, Christians think your fucked up also. I personally am I little undecided on the matter, but regardless its another way christians condemn people.

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  • Doesnormalmatter
    4 years ago

    Did you really just compare us to robots humans make? Humans have a free will, robots are programmed. Im addition to that, god doesn't make it so we CAN'T have gay sex, he just says its immoral. With roblts we would have total control. I really question if you even agree with your own statment in your last paragraph, unless I am misunderstanding something. Its immoral to use something not for its intended purpose for fun? If I walk on my hands for fun and that is not their intended purpose, is that immoral? Are anal and oral sex immoral as well? One hole is for shitting and the other is for eating, not sex. If you don't use everything for its intended purpose, its immoral?!? Am I misinterpreting this is idiocy, or does anybody actually believe this outrageous bat shit!

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  • Doesnormalmatter
    4 years ago

    You guessed it! Its me! Please understand that I try real hard not to hate christians, and I am a little biased against them from my expirience. But I just want to understand their thought processes!

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    • curious-bunny
      4 years ago

      You're talking about a group that kicked me out of Sunday school cause I told them I didnt beilive in God when I was asked my thoughts on him. So really theres nothing to be shocked about when it comes to those people

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      • Doesnormalmatter
        4 years ago

        Really mate? That shit is harsh, but at the same time, I'm not surprised! Christians are so damn judgemental. American society would be SOOOO much better of if jesus would have changed his mind and not written a book!

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        • curious-bunny
          4 years ago

          Yea and that's before I came out as trans and everyone just thought I was gay. Didnt even know what gay was back then but that's my childhood. But yea it was, was one if the best days of my life though. I became the family embarrassment and was never forced to go to church again! Best part is I was never disrespectful to her about it. I was a well behaved little one when it came to stuff like that

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          • Doesnormalmatter
            4 years ago

            Similar thing coming to me probably if my family finds out. I am just waiting it out right now. Good for you for calling out the bull shit.

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            • curious-bunny
              4 years ago

              Well hopefully you wont be reliant on them once the word is spread.

              Yea j never bought the whole God thing. It just seemed stupid from the get go. Not to be rude to anyone just I mean growing up i was a book reader and my parents always wanted to make certain I could tell my books werent reality by then immeciatliy telling mee this book was real. Never bought into it

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