Why doesn't overpopulation get treated like a pivotal topic?

In my view, overpopulation is hands down the biggest problem mankind currently faces. Never in history have there been so many people as now and it's even getting a lot worse. The population of Africa, for example, is exploding. The pressure on the planet is truly extreme. It's no coincidence that nature shrinks in the pace that humanity grows.

Although overpopulation is indeed discussed sometimes, it doesn't seem to be treated like the pivotal topic it is in my view. Why? Is it because it's uncomfortable to talk about?

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  • Because people like to fuck and continue their bloodlines(evolution talking).

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  • RoseIsabella

    Isn't the Covid 19 virus helping out with that?

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    • Nope, it has a low fatality rate.

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      • RoseIsabella

        Tell that to the people who have lost their loved ones.

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        • It is a disease, it is going to kill some people at least.

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        • LloydAsher

          Its reality though. Sucks but you cant kill they young to save the old.

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  • Clunk42

    Every time it has been treated as a pivotal topic, a whole bunch of people have ended up being killed and family size reduction laws have been passed in places, and the numbers of people continue to rise far beyond every suggestion anyone has ever made for the number of people that the Earth supposedly cannot sustain. So, I suggest that you do not treat it like that, because every time it has been treated like that in the past, people have been wrong about it.

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    • Your insane religion, with its "be fruitful and multiply"-bullshit, doesn't exactly help. Fuck Christianity.

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      • Clunk42

        Change the subject, why don't you?

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        • Not addressing what I said, why don't you?

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          • Clunk42

            That specific phrasing cannot be used to say that. As you have it written, it is breaking English convention, and the other ways of writing it don't match the intention of the phrasing, making it sound wrong.

            My religion has nothing to do with the fact that we humans have no clue whether or not the world is overpopulated, and when we've thought the world is overpopulated, we have always been wrong.

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            • "That specific phrasing cannot be used to say that. As you have it written, it is breaking English convention, and the other ways of writing it don't match the intention of the phrasing, making it sound wrong."

              Whatever...

              "My religion has nothing to do with the fact that we humans have no clue whether or not the world is overpopulated"

              Your idiotic religion encourages overpopulation.

              "when we've thought the world is overpopulated, we have always been wrong."

              The fact that the Earth can sustain ever more people is at the expense of nature, you Catholic freak.

              PS: just out of curiosity, have you ever masturbated? If the answer is "yes", you're a hypocrite. Baby Jesus would be SOOO upsut you've touched your pee-pee, hahaha. If the answer is "no", you're a goddamn freak (well, an even bigger freak than you already are).

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  • LloydAsher

    Because when overpopulation happens the first thing that tends to happen is starvation. It's a self fixing problem.

    Now it sounds inhumane to say so but it's true. The person who has the resources to feed themselves and thier kids arent the ones that need to fix overpopulation. It's the ones who regrettably dont have the resources who need to stop having children.

    I perfer a kid not being born at all vs starving to death. I do pity countries that were destined to suck though. Geopolitics, natural resources, etc. Those people were born within shitty places or at shitty times, as it has happened throughout time.

    Tldr: overpopulation tends to solve itself. Whether by a population choosing to stop having as many kids or those kids/adults starving to death.

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    • Sanara

      A big point of preventing overpopulation is to prevent starvation in the first place. It is a pretty cruel way for people to go down and I'm sure you would not be okay with it if you were on of the people starving because of the society you were born into.

      Not only that, but since people are generally very good at "tricking nature" to get what we want and need, people are gonna cause great destruction to the environment whenever the population gets too high to maintain comfortably. That means it takes longer time to restore the land and the situation than it would do if animals got over-populated. We need a somewhat working ecosystem to effectively produce food.

      People in third world countries need help to reduce their population, like for example more access to birth control and sex ed and valid ways to retire without needing kids to take care of you, as well as keeping people safe from being raped and women should have the right to say "no". (Of course men too, but often in these countries women are the oppressed). The reason they arent fixing it themself is because they lack the help to do so (I know people can technically stop having sex, but you have to account for human nature on a larger scale)

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      • LloydAsher

        I'm a human supremacist; I believe humans are superior to every other creature in the universe. What's that mean? Means that I dont pay attention to race but I pay attention ideas. Some ideas are worse than others. It's the responsibility of the the superior ideas to overthrow the bad ones. Of course that has gone sour alot throughout history.

        So far capitalism, free trading, and democracy have been the most effective way to elevate people above the poverty line and thus above starvation. Thus its imperative that capitalism must outlast other socioeconomic ideals purely on a humanitarian track record.

        As for environmental damage, all I care for is the continuation of the human race rather than the population of whales. That doesnt mean I want to destroy the environment, infact I want to keep the world as green as possible. Making things more efficient is both better for the environment and long term better for profits. That being said natural selection tends to solve for a lot of problems, recently some bacteria have been seen eating what 30 years ago was completely unbiogradible plastic and breaking them down to their simpler forms (oil). If mother nature wasnt a fighter we would all be dead two centuries ago.

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  • devclied

    because there is no overpopulation

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  • RoyyRogers

    It might be becuase when people try to fix this it often goes into Eugenics

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  • Rocketrain

    Because it's a matter with human lifes which is easily can be used as a controversial point.

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  • olderdude-xx

    The reason it is rarely discussed now is that its a world wide issue; and the countries that have had the highest population growths over the last 50 years have not refused to discuss or do anything about it. Those failed attempts to curtail the world population growth were in the 1970's and 1980's.

    Please research which countries have had the highest population growth since the 1950's; and then suggest how you are going to convince them to change.

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  • Tinybird

    let's start with you and your children

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  • 1WeirdGuy

    Because the way to solve it includes genocide or eugenics. No one wants to tell someone they can not have children. So to solve the issue you have to take ones liberty.

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    • Sanara

      It wont necessarily have to, we could come a long way if just everyone (especially in third world countries) got access to birth control methods and proper sex ed early on and work to keep society safe so people aren't raped on a regular basis. Some are gonna choose not to have kids, there is no need to force anyone. I personally am against forcing people not to have kids and of course against genocide, but we should still work to slowly reduce the worldwide population

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      • 1WeirdGuy

        The poorer you are on average the more kids you have for some reason. That remains true for people in countries that have access to birth control. I dont think you can fix it with just birth control but I dont know everything maybe that would fix it. I dont think so tho. Maybe you'd have to fix the poverty also.

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    • LloydAsher

      I just let nature take the wheel. Currently watching south africa starving since they kicked out nearly all the white farmers yet didnt think far enough ahead to have their own farmers well... farm.

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      • YE

        The common disease in Africa is corruption. The very people who propose agendas to dig the ordinary African people out of the poverty rut independent of support from developed countries, as their mandate to office, are the same people who cause misappropriate allocation of resources, (national and foreign aid (interestingly) alike). They steal and loot national capital to benefit.. not the common man, but their kin.

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      • 1WeirdGuy

        Even if they had farmers that country will fall apart when the whites leave and they will blame the demise on racism because white countries didnt give them sufficient handouts in economic relief. And they will also agree to the worst trade deals you can imagine and then blame other countries for exploiting them when they agreed to the stupid deal.

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        • LloydAsher

          I have a somalian immigrant on his path to citizenship (cool dude you'd like him). Hes completely honest why africa is such a shithole. Too diverse. What he means by that is that people are too divided by their old power structures. Practically every faction hates each other unless they specifically share religion and country, even then. Their goverments not making money decide having extremely high tariffs will solve that problem and as every economist will tell you that's how you cripple your domestic economy. Forcing crappy countries to stay crappy countries reling on outside help.

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  • my_life_my_way

    We just need to roll out a eugenics program to tackle the non contributors then limit immigrant families, especially Africans and Muslims, to one kid (or even better, sterilise them)

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    • SudoHalt

      What makes you think you are more privileged or capable?

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      • my_life_my_way

        I contribute to society and don’t live off tax payer money

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        • SudoHalt

          Some people can't contribute simply because they live in a 3rd world country that doesn't give them a fair chance at education, which I think is crucial no matter what form it takes. Some are fortunate enough to go abroad, but most can't make it.

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  • Irizu3748392746483938

    Because all these pieces of shit want to do is fuck.

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    • BLAh81

      Fucking doesn't have to lead to pregnancy. Ever heard of contraception?

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      • Irizu3748392746483938

        Well guess what? It does. Because not only do these motheefuckers fuck all the time, they don't use protection or fuck up somehow.

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        • BLAh81

          I said: "Fucking doesn't HAVE to lead to pregnancy." That's simply undeniable, regardless of idiotic behavior of the part of the motherfuckers you speak of.

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          • Irizu3748392746483938

            I guess.

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  • Correction

    The Earth may well be overpopulated, but the problem is we don’t really know that because we use the Earth’s resources so poorly and do so much damage to the planet that it’s impossible to accurately gauge how many people the Earth could sustain. So that’s why people(well, some people, those who actually care about the future of the planet) are trying to solve those problems first. We have to get to the point where resources are more equitably distributed and we’re only using renewable energy, producing far less waste, etc.

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    • LloydAsher

      Also because we havent invented teleportation yet. If resources didnt have to travel we could be a hell of alot more efficent with using our supplies. Since we dont have that the best you can do is pipelines for fluids and standard transportation for everything else. The environmentalist complaining about a pipeline doesnt understand how it's more efficent thus less carbon emissions from its function rather than using oil tankers that have to deal with limited storage on a heavy ass ship that has to go through water which is practically all drag.

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      • Correction

        I’m not sure how often you talk to environmentalists or listen to them, but all of the ones I’ve heard from are already weighing the efficiency of pipelines, and they’re correctly coming to the conclusion that they’re not worth the risk. Every community that the pipeline goes through or near has the right to clean air, clean land, and clean water, and pipelines deny them of that right. You cannot deny people their constitution rights simply because it’ll save a multi billion dollar company a few bucks. If they want to continue living in the past and continue to use old, outdated technology that will no longer exist at some point in the future, if they want to continue doing long term damage to the environment and the planet, they should have to pay for it. We shouldn’t be making it easy for them. Especially since we already have more than enough pipelines already in place. Demand for fossil fuels isn’t going up, it’s going down and it’s going to continue decreasing exponentially faster every year. We’re going to be using less and less of it in the future, so we’re going to need to move less and less of it in the future. There’s no reason to build something that could be catastrophic to its surroundings when it’s not even going to be needed sooner rather than later.

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        • LloydAsher

          By sooner rather than later you do realize that's like 60 years or more right? We dont have the battery technology to make green technology better than fossil fuels. The only thing holding back renewables is that we require constant flows of energy so situational power generation isnt going to cut it for most areas.

          The excuse of not having pipelines for the "right" of fresh air and water is stupid. Theres a fat rendering plant smack dab in the middle of my city. They break down fat for soap. That means it stinks to high hell sometimes for miles around. Just like everything the reward outweighs the annoyance. Dont like the quality of an area? You are free to move out.

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          • Correction

            You do realize that the faster we try to make it happen, the faster it’ll actually happen, right? If you throw your hands in the air and say “we can’t do that, it’s 60 years away” it’ll always be 60 years away and it’ll never get done. Try getting it done in 10 years instead. That’s why we need to stop wasting our time building unnecessary pipelines and work towards what comes next. So it comes sooner.

            Good to know you think protecting constitutional rights is a stupid excuse. I’m sure that’ll come in handy later. Don’t like your guns being taken away? You’re free to move.

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  • bigbudchonger

    Because most of us live in countries where the opposite, an aging population and low fertility rates is a problem.

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  • darefu

    Not sure of the actual statistics from every country or continent, but I've read numerous articles lately saying just the opposite.

    The current repopulation rate is below that needed and at least two Asian countries are now encouraging more children per household, I believe the USA, and some European countries are saying the same thing.

    I do agree, if you live in or near a big city it seems like we're bursting at the seems. To me it has always seemed counter productive and a self destructive method to keep stacking people on top of people in high rise apartments and at the same time go out and recrute major businesses to come build or relocate to an already over crowded area.

    But it's all about money not the people. The more houses, people, businesses, you can get the more money coming in, in the way of fees and taxes.

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    • SkullsNRoses

      Agreed, it’s really the oldies living longer and longer that’s keeping the population so high. If you consider how it used to be normal to have 4+ children in the early 1900s whereas nowadays more than 3 is considered a lot and more and more people are choosing not to reproduce at all.

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      • LloydAsher

        I cant reproduce at all. Sad but that's why adoption exists.

        Americans need to have at least 2.2 children per couple. The .2 means that in every 5 couples they have to have 3 kids to make up for the fact that not all people live to have children/ people not having kids at all.

        That's baseline for keeping a stable population. Japan is somewhere around 1.3 so that means they REALLY need to have kids since japan is very ethnocentric. It's enough of a problem where you get paid by the goverment to have children. Not in the same way as welfare in america though.

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        • darefu

          Some people believe the new USA/Biden policies of the tax breaks based on number or children and their ages is designed for this reason without advertising it as such. Although considered a temporary incentive you know how things go. Anybody who says it needs to stop or go away will be consider a monster and non compassionate. Same as USA medicare, ACA, and welfare programs you have.

          I know there's some UK people on here as well and I'm not sure but I've heard they are or have considering family/children incentives as well.

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