Why are we still experimenting/ testing on animals when we have humans

So instead of doing experiments on innocent animals for research and science. & instead of testing makeup, medicine, and other chemicals on animals. Why don't we do them on humans.

We have so many convicted murders / rapists / child molesters etc (who have admitted to their crimes)

They should have an option: either death penalty or human test subject.

What do you guys think? Yes or no?

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  • palepunk

    No, because humanity for the most part believes in a strange separation between animals and humans, although humans are animals. There is also this, perhaps strange to you, thing called 'basic human rights'.

    Some people plead guilty because they take advice from the legal system. Some people who die at the hands of the government are innocent. I could go on forever about this, I'm sorry.

    Why not just keep it simple and test on willing participants?

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    • We don't have a lot of participants anymore that's the problem.. :/

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  • cosmictripster

    I've actually had this same thought before! I don't think most of these comments get what you're saying because this actually makes sense to me. It sounds bad at first glance but it's really not. Why test stuff on other animals that are completely innocent when we have these perfectly good non-innocent animals (convicts on death row) that will give us much more accurate results?

    With that said, it's still really fucked up either way but if you're gonna do something fucked up you might as well do it right haha.

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    • amen

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  • Couman

    Hey, I have an idea! Lets emulate the Nazis!

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    • Not comparable at all.. over dramatic.

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  • howaminotmyself

    We do test on humans.

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    • CERTAIN companies test their products on humans. (mainly shampoo and makeup etc) But medicine and science tests are mostly done on mice, rats, frogs, monkeys and even cats and dogs still. How fucking cruel is that?

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      • howaminotmyself

        I am not defending lab testing of animals, but there are companies that pay humans to do drugs. A friend got paid $300 to take opiates and something else, I forget. It was legitimate human testing of narcotics.

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        • natdrum

          Damn. Paid to get high.

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        • Sign me up for that! haha

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  • thegypsysailor

    I'll back your idea 100% if you volunteer to be tested on. You don't get to choose the test, you just blindly volunteer to be the next test subject for whatever they are testing, OK?
    Put up or shut up, please.

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    • I don't get why you guys are so against it. Like most of you hate rapists and murderers and would probably do something to them if they ever touched your family members. They're going to die anyways with a death sentence so if they CHOOSE as in VOLUNTEER to be a test subject for a certain product I don't get why that's a problem?

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      • thegypsysailor

        You volunteer first, then I'll be on your side. Just like the right to life cretins. If each and every one of them adopts a baby, THEN they have a right to preach to others.

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        • I get what you're saying but murders and child rapists and rapists in general don't respect human rights so why should we respect theirs you know?
          :/ idk maybe its not normal, its just an opinion though.

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          • howaminotmyself

            The problem with using criminals is that you can't trust them to be honest about the experience.

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            • Eh true. Unless theres physical evidence of it not working lol.

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  • JD777

    Um, Nazi Josef Mengele did just that - didn't make him a very popular guy. Besides, it is unlikely that test patient pools taken from a population of people we know are "off" would provide acceptable clinical outcomes.

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  • We kill and eat animals. We destroy their environments to create our own modern environment...And you're wondering why we test things on animals despite how we have always used animals for selfish reasons? Lol.

    When it comes down to it, it's normal. Species prey on species. Humans and many other animals have done this. We do this to survive and for our own gluttony and always have. Now that we've evolved and can use animals for reasons other than food, we do it.

    We've always harmed animals for our own survival and progression, and I don't expect that to change.

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    • Yes but nothing preys on us. So your "life balance" is shit. We ruined the balance of life might as well start being respectful to our environment and species we coexist with.
      I just don't get how some people think that certain species don't matter. Animals feel pain, they have personalities. They can comprehend certain things we say to them and teach them tricks and obedience.

      If we stopped monopolizing certain company's / factories animals would have a better way of life and the food you eat will be better for you. Instead of groceries buying from local farms (except some parts of the south) They set up factories with dozens of animals who live their whole life in a cage. Are force fed some crap, never see the sun so they never absorb any vitamins. They are under stress and injected with GMOS, steroids and other stuff. We have to realize that's not okay. You are what you eat. We need to start supporting farms. It will create more job opportunities, give animals a better life before they become our food, and in turn give us more nutrients. :/

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      • The only reason nothing preys on us now is because we have established the means to become apex predators. You walk out in to the wilderness where animals of prey that are large enough (such as wolves, bears, etc) and you go on and tell me how "nothing preys on us" as if we don't look like tasty pieces of meet to many animals out there.

        The balance of life thing is one of opinion. If you would prefer to live in the wilderness to bring what you view as balance back in to the world, then you do that.

        We coexist with many animals. However we do not abandon our primitive nature. We simply improved on it.

        Ofcourse animals matter but this is the circle of life. Animals prey on other animals.

        Ok, and if we stop eating meat for the sake of animals, then what? Should we also try to destroy our civilization and no longer expand our civilizations so that we can give back the environment and space for other animals which we forced out to create our own environment?

        Would you feel comforable with that happening to you? You are aware that you benefit, and willingly so, from the negatives effected on animals for our own progression?

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        • That's what i meant when i said nothing preys on us... we as a species have ruined the circle of life process. And its time we start coexisting with everything instead of harboring every resource for our human needs. Does that make sense?

          And i never said stop eating meat. Like hell no i love me some bacon cheeseburgers. Factories have mass products. Keep a whole bunch in a cage all day so they're not getting any nutrients and injecting them with flavor, hormones and w/e
          Local farms raise chickens but not a mass product of them. They get out and are fed actual grain and grass and graze properly on the land. That's why when you buy meat only buy the ones that say "cage-free" or "free-range" The animals actually get to move about and have a normal life before they're slaughtered. you know?

          And as for the last question I am most certainly not a criminal nor do i plan on murdering or raping anyone. i can ask you the same thing tho. Would you be ok being tested on? You were born human but what if you were born an animal you know? :/ just something to think about.

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  • seekelp

    I think that anyone who coerces humans into being medical test subjects should be put in prison.

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    • Well there are people who volunteer... ?
      And like i stated they would be given a choice. Especially if they have the death sentence. Would you rather die? Or try this medicine and see how it affects you. Animals are living creatures just like humans. The only thing that separates us is how we use our brains. We are capable of using more % of our brain than most species except dolphins and some sea mammals who actually use more of their brain than we do.
      We are all guinea pigs in a sense. How many products /medicine do you know that have come out and have had horrible side effects and have been recalled and sued because it harms or killed someone. And sometimes they're children. Most of them are medicines PRESCRIBED by doctors. (someone you trust right?)

      So if a child molester / serial killer who has no remorse for their crimes and has admitted to what they done and would rather choose a test subject over death than i say why not?

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      • seekelp

        "Animals are living creatures just like humans."

        Alright, but you have to draw a line somewhere. Plants are alive. Bacteria are alive. When you grow crops in a farming setting you're inevitably killing a ton of animals to make that land usable.

        "The only thing that separates us is how we use our brains."

        And how they function. And their size and shape. Human brains are significantly more complex and have way way way proportionally larger frontal lobes than any other animal.

        "We are all guinea pigs in a sense. How many products /medicine do you know that have come out and have had horrible side effects and have been recalled and sued because it harms or killed someone."

        I think you vastly overestimate the number of criminals that would fit your definition of "heinous enough that they should be killed." If we don't use animals to test these products, it will be humans who die instead. I would value the life of a human over a mouse.

        "We are capable of using more % of our brain than most species except dolphins and some sea mammals who actually use more of their brain than we do."

        Source?

        Also, dolphins rape porpoises and killer whales torture seal babies to death before they eat them.

        "So if a child molester / serial killer who has no remorse for their crimes and has admitted to what they done and would rather choose a test subject over death than i say why not?"

        According to (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions-year), there's, at the very most, 98 executions in a given year. If you've only got 98 test subjects you're not going to have a very comprehensive test. Unless you want to expand the pool of potential candidates. Sure, throw in all murderers and rapists (even dolphin ones). Still too small of a pool? Why not throw in thieves and recreational drug users. Still too small? Throw in speeders, too.

        My point is that somewhere you're going to have to draw a line. There's a reason why the death penalty is so rarely used: as a society, collectively deciding to kill people isn't something that should be taken lightly. Writing off another person's life entirely is ill-advised in the best of circumstances.

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        • Yea i guess it wouldn't work then :/

          Google the dolphin thing its actually pretty crazy. Obviously you know they use sonar in order detect certain things in the ocean and can spot / sense things from miles and miles away. They use their brain for that its pretty fascinating. They have been known to actually save humans from shark attacks and drownings. Although there are some that are psychopaths that actually will pull you under the water and rape you and drown you (just like humans lol)

          I get what your saying about human life but I just can't stand people who literally think murdering / raping is fun for them and brag about it and go to jail. Like might as well torture them too. >:) I guess Im a bit evil when it comes to that sorry.

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