Why are mental health professionals so easy to fool?
Mental health professionals are so incredibly easy to fool yet they should be quite knowledgeable of human behavior.
Why do you think this is?
| I dunno. | 38 | |
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[Old Memory]
Because they are under the impression that you came to them for help, and as such would be telling the truth in order to get that help.
The only time one needs to fool them is if you are under criminal review, something few (if any) of you will ever see.
So going to a mental health professional and lying when you don't have to is just a waste of your own time, shooting yourself in the foot as it were.
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Anonymous Post Author
Duh, for scoring dope and getting on disability, and getting special privileges. Also for getting a free pass, while maybe not under criminal investigation there's still times when you need to fool them to get out of certain situations.
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VioletTrees
It's really cute how easy you think it is to get on disability, or even get accommodations. Even with a diagnosis, you have to fight for that shit.
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Anonymous Post Author
It's really cute how you put words in my mouth. I didn't say it was easy to get on disability. I'm not commenting on the disability program at all. I know the process is hard. All I commented on is how easy it can be to fool mental health professionals. Mental health professionals don't hand out disability checks, the government does, separate issue. However, getting a diagnosis is the first step in the process and it CAN be easy to fool mental health professionals into giving you a diagnosis (if that's what you're so inclined to do).
I'm not saying everyone who gets a diagnosis is faking either so don't even try to say that. SOME do fake it though. I don't even care, this wasn't the point of the question AT ALL. So what the hell was your point, anyway?
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VioletTrees
My point is that even if some people do fake to try to get on disability, it's unlikely to be effective, as getting on disability is very difficult even if your disability is real. Also, harping on about people faking isn't constructive at this point. It's a favourite topic for people to gripe about, and it adds to the stigma on disability and mental illness.
"All I commented on is how easy it can be to fool mental health professionals."
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Anonymous Post Author
I just re-explained it: "All I commented on is how easy it can be to fool mental health professionals. Mental health professionals don't hand out disability checks, the government does, separate issue. However, getting a diagnosis is the first step in the process and it CAN be easy to fool mental health professionals into giving you a diagnosis (if that's what you're so inclined to do)."
If you're so good at reading my comments then please point out to me where I said that getting on disability was easy? I didn't say that at all, I said fooling the mental health pro's into getting a diagnosis was easy, I said NOTHING about the rest of the disability process.
This post is about how easy it can be to fool them. That's it. Yes a couple of my posts went into the "why" area for a couple sentences, so sorry. Some people seemed to be unclear as to why someone would do this so I pointed it out to them. That doesn't change what the main point of the thread is.
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westoptic
I don't think that's fair. I had to go see a Psychologist because of my anxiety and she helped me using Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I was never anything but honest, I wasn't there to "score dope" or get on disability or get special privileges, I was there to get help. I don't go to a hospital and lie and say I'm sick, why would I lie to a mental health care specialist? When I applied for college, there was a big subsection on the application that stated anyone who suffered from depression, anxiety, ADHD, Aspergers and a variety of other mental health issues could apply to get money from the Government to help pay for schooling and classes would be accommodated for your "disability." I didn't even consider applying.
If you think "scoring dope" is as easy as going to a mental health professional you're sorely mistaken, and I've never heard of a single person who went and lied and successfully got a prescription for medical marijuana. That's not how it works. I know, because I smoke marijuana almost every other day, I don't have a prescription but I could get one if I really pursued it, it's just easier to go out and buy it.
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Anonymous Post Author
I didn't say that that's what everyone does.
I was rebutting this statement, "The only time one needs to fool them is if you are under criminal review". That's not the only time. You will also want to fool them for the reasons I listed, if you're so inclined, and it's quite easy.
Marijuana isn't dope. I was talking about highly desired prescription drugs like Xanax and Adderall.
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VioletTrees
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paradox90
You are a fool if you tell lies to a mental health professional. They suppose that you are telling them the truth about you, and that's why they get paid for. His goal is to aid you, and if you do not tell them your real problems... well let me tell you this again: you are a fool.
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NeuroNeptunian
Because they get paid either way.
Because if you're loopy in the head enough to want whatever bullshit they are pushing, chances are there IS something wrong with you.
Because in that line of work, the possible outcome of ignoring ANY patient's pleas for help is the suicide death of their patient. Come on now, I've seen the commercials and the pamphlets that they have displayed outside of my college's nurse's office: Never take a cry for help lightly, if someone does ____ they are in need of mental help etc.
Because avoiding overlooking a patient in need of REAL mental help is worth misdiagnosing a few idiots with anxiety disorder/panic disorder and popping them a low dose of Xanax.
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VioletTrees
"Because if you're loopy in the head enough to want whatever bullshit they are pushing, chances are there IS something wrong with you."
Neuro, girl, I agree with the rest of your post, but is it really necessary to so be rude about people who need mental health care?
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NeuroNeptunian
That's not what I meant and I'm a bit taken aback by that assumption. If you're problemed enough to CHOOSE to take those pills that these guys are giving people, for recreational purposes, then yes, you likely do have problems with your head. Wanting recreational drugs and being willing to go through this trouble to get them is indication of a possible mental disorder.
This isn't an insult towards people who need mental help, this is a statement of psychological truth value and I have a hard time seeing where I insulted people who NEED mental help. You can't tell me that a 100% mentally healthy person would be looking for ways to abuse pills. Drug abuse and seeking ways to abuse them is often indication of mental issues. Period.
These drugs have so many dangerous side effects that to take this bullshit for fun without actually needing it is not exactly a good case to prove one's mental stability. I'm sorry if you disagree but it's a commonly held opinion by many in the Psychiatric community.
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VioletTrees
OH. I misinterpreted what you said. I didn't realise you were referring to people who are seeking psychiatric medication for recreational purposes. I thought you were saying that people who want medication because they think it might help are loopy in the head. That makes more sense now.
Sorry about that. There's a pretty big stigma attached to psychiatric medication, and a lot of people frame taking necessary medication as a foolish decision. I didn't think you were so unreasonable, which is why I was like "Girl, what are you doing?" What you actually meant didn't occur to me when I read your post for some reason. Thanks for clarifying!
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VioletTrees
It's not their job to make sure nobody ever successfully dupes a doctor into giving them medication they don't need. It's their job to help. Disbelieving someone who's telling the truth can do far more harm than believing someone who's lying.
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suckonthis9
It's because every human alive suffers from one Psychiatric disorder, or another, and sometimes multiple disorders.
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VioletTrees
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macaroniheyo
The definition of the word "word" is
"1. A sound or a combination of sounds, or its representation in writing or printing, that symbolizes and communicates a meaning and may consist of a single morpheme or of a combination of morphemes."
That means that "dunno" is in fact a word, but not an official word, as it is not in the dictionary. So, no offense, but I would really appreciate it if people like you would SHUT UP PLEASE!Comment Hidden ( show )-
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VioletTrees
I'll do you one better: English is an unregulated language, so while a variety of organisations publish dictionaries, none can claim to be the "official" authority on what is and isn't an English word. This is not true of all languages. In France, for example, the French language is legally regulated by the Académie française. You can see a list of regulating bodies for different languages here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_language_regulators
Notice that English is not on the list.
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suckonthis9
word\ˈwərd\
noun
2 a (1) : a speech sound or series of speech sounds that symbolizes and communicates a meaning usually without being divisible into smaller units capable of independent use (2) : the entire set of linguistic forms produced by combining a single base with various inflectional elements without change in the part of speech elements
b (1) : a written or printed character or combination of characters representing a spoken word."Dunno", is a corruption of 'do not know'. It does not have a 'single base'. It is, therefore, not a word.
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suckonthis9
I don't know why some people are lazy, and can't use proper spelling and grammar, to communicate a message?
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Anonymous Post Author
"Proper" sometimes becomes archaic.
Speech evolves, you should know this. If you're going to bitch and moan all the time about words being archaic then you'd also have to accept that the words you may currently use will definitely be archaic as well, otherwise your whole mission to call out others on this very matter are short sighted and hypocritical and, rightfully, no one should take you seriously.
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howaminotmyself
Are you familiar with the book "The Professor and the Madman" by Simon Winchester?
I think you might enjoy it.
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sikfrik
Judging by your comment, I'd say you should focus on your own sentence structure rather than the grammar of others.
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VioletTrees
English is not a regulated language, and dictionaries neither are nor typically claim to be full indexes of every word in the English language.
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bemah
They're idiots, and all they're trained to do is look for clues. They're eager, they'll get excited if they see just the smallest, and they'll run with it, because they love to be right, they love to think they're helping someone, that the can figure it all out...When really sometimes they're as fucked up as some of the patients they're dealing with.
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Magenta_W
They get payed for every diagnosis, and it also moves them along in their career. Chances are, they weren't fooled they just wanted another patient to feed pills to.
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exodusrev22
Honestly i think they know when someone comes in and is lying about certain illnesses that they have. Either way they make more money that way. Which is a win win for them. When you actually end up with addiction or some other type of disorder that could kill you. Just saying!
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VioletTrees
It really depends on the doctor. Some give certain medications too readily, some don't prescribe medications readily enough, and some do a good job deciding when to prescribe what. It's really not uncommon for people with chronic illness, especially young people, to have a hard time getting medications that are necessary for them to function, because doctors are suspicious that they're drug seeking. This is especially true for narcotic pain medications and certain anxiety medications.
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anti-hero
They know you are bullshitting. They just want you to shut the fuck up and pay them.
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kingsleycrowne
haha this reminds me of the time, in my youth, where I went to see a specialist hungover as hell and he prescribed me to dexamphetamine for slow a.d.d.
"He was like, yeah you're response times are very slow, you look like you're falling asleep and having trouble concentrationg."
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Epofly
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