Which is worse, rape or murder?
Which crime is inherently worse, rape or murder? Why?
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[Old Memory]
Obviously murder. You lose all chance of a future when you die. Like Short4Words said, there's no chance of the victim recovering and overcoming what they were a victim of and live their life. A rape victim can.
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NeuroNeptunian
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Short4Words
Murder. There's no treatment or possibility for recovery. When you murder a person you take away any chance of them doing anything again, good or bad, helpful or hurtful that person is no more and will never be. A victim of rape can recover.
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Noogas
The word "rape" has a too negative connotation. I prefer the term "surprise sex".
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MalabuBarbie☆
Getting murderd is more worse because if u get raped u get fucked and its overwith but if u get murderd ur dead there's no coming back from that.
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peridot
I believe rape is probably worse through the victims point of view, but murder is worse for the people who love and care for the victim. I believe rape is worse through the victim because of the feeling of intrusion. Most victims feel traumatized for a long period of time and many of them get PTSD along with terrible flashbacks and the feeling of fear and having trouble trusting their future partners. Murder would of course be painful, but once your dead, all of it is over. The reason why I say murder is worse for the people who care for the victim is because of dealing with the loss
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Ellenna
Of course murder is worse than rape: what a ridiculous question. It's possible to if not recover or "get over" it, to live a good life despite having been raped: I'm doing that right now, in fact waiting for the cops to arrive because someone, presumably the rapist, is stalking me and triggered off my new sensor alarm for the second night in a row.
It's an interesting question though: for a week or so after I was raped I had to fight to urge to contact the rapist and ask him to come and kill me because my life wasn't worth living. Even more interesting is that I didn't know then that he is strongly reputed to have killed women in the past.
I was fortunate to be able to access good counselling very quickly and the self-destructive urges dissipated and have never returned.
I'm wondering why you ask the question in the first place?
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Anonymous Post Author
Holy shit, that's awful Ellena. Good on you for you living your life, though.
Ok, it's a dumb question. But it seemed an almost "no-brainer" to me too. Of the two heinous, despicable crimes, taking a life has got to be the worst (surely?).
But the reason I wanted to see the responses - if I can explain this properly - is that I think rape invokes more disgust, revulsion and hatred for the rapist. So I wanted to see, would people class it as a worse crime, based on that feeling that it provokes?
Even though, in my mind at least, murder seems the obviously worse crime. All that's debatable, of course. People may have good reasons to disagree, apart from the emotional reaction towards one or the other.And maybe it's a bit sick and pointless to be talking about which is worse, given that they're BOTH terrible crimes. But that's what the legal system has to do, come up with punishments based on the severity of the crime. And that's all this is, just classifying which is inherently more severe.
So, thank you for your response, Ellena. I'm glad to hear that you're a survivor. But it's still concerning to hear about the stalking.
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Ellenna
That's a very interesting distinction, thanks for pointing it out. I seems to me that two totally different responses are involved here: that of looking at the longterm harm and one's own revulsion to one crime over the other.
I don't see how there's any doubt that murder is a much worse crime than rape because a live is physically over, but for some people rape can make life seem not worth living. Still not the same thing though ...
Thanks for your concern: looks as if I'm going to have to take up afternoon naps if I'm going to be woken up around 4 am every morning.
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Anonymous Post Author
Oh jeez... nobody needs that crap. At least you've got some security in place, though. Your attitude is very admirable, Ellena. I hope you don't have to put up with it for much longer.
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Ellenna
Thanks! The new security is working well so far, no alarms in the very very early morning for 3 nights in a row, so fingers crossed ..... My formal complaints about police inaction seem to be having some slight effect, or at least I'm being called back by increasingly senior officers. Nothing has changed locally thought, which is where I really need the help.
And thank you for your response!
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Anonymous Post Author
That's ok :)
I was going to ask; it doesn't sound like the police have been much use...
Hope you've got some friends or vigilant neighbours that can offer some support.
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Darkoil
From the victims point of view murder. I actually think rape is a more disgusting crime however.
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Couman
I kind of agree. Even thought I'm also getting fed up with how demonized sex offenders are these days (just don't think it's productive), in some ways it's easier to empathize with the murderer. I think most everyone has at some point been so mad they wanted to hurt someone. The same can't be said about rape... a least I hope not.
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Darkoil
Basically a murderer may think they are justified in what they did, possibly other people may agree. I can't think of a single idea where a rape crime would be justified, it's a completely selfish crime.
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wigz
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KingTermite
It's interesting that you bring that up as I happen to have recently made the acquaintance of a convicted sex offender and the problems this fellow has are really an amazing thing.
He's out on probation or parole or whatever and he basically can't get a job, not just because he's a felon, but the nature of this crime.
He was working for a temp labor agency and was sent out to a job with another worker, who found out what his crime had been and then assaulted him and tossed him out of the vehicle (it wasn't moving). He had to walk back, many miles and the agency said they wouldn't assign him to work with that guy anymore.
His attorney said that due to the nature of his past crime, the assault would have to have resulted in broken bones for the police to bother with investigating the event. So essentially this guy doesn't have anything close to equal protection under the law.
And his crime didn't even involve an actual victim that he ever met. The actual violation of the victim was done by someone else, he merely was caught viewing the act (the brighter ones among you should be able to figure out what his crime was).
Now, I really don't know him all that well, but I seriously doubt he would actually hurt another person, though he does have a particular sort of fetish that society frowns upon. What's ironic is even liberals, who often are the first to stand up for a homosexuals rights (as one can not help who one is attracted to) equally condemn this fellow even though he's in the same boat of not being able to help who he's attracted to. I doubt there will ever be a circumstance in society where he could freely practice his particular proclivites, but I also don't think that with actually doing what he wants being illegal that he would do it.
So it really is a waste of a life as he'll probably end up back in prison, where he will undoubtedly be victimized by others. I should also mention, he was sexually abused as a child and that is the source of his deviant thinking.
So truly, how useful is it for society to throw this person away?
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NeuroNeptunian
I had a case a while back where I worked with a young adult - really cool guy, very social, outgoing, fairly bright and likeable guy who rarely every gave me any crap when I had to step in and keep him in line... such people are fairly rare in lockup so I went into my files to try to figure out why this guy was here.
Turns out, he has been accused of rape twice and sexual assault/harassment multiple times. From what I can tell, all of these instances were completely unrelated.
One instance of rape involved the young lady having changed her story from the initial story after having interacted both with this man and her Mom. Mom gave up on sorting out the conflict so it was just stashed in his record.
Second instance, THAT Mom said she would report it if it happened again. Although everything seemed solid (despite him vehemently claiming that it was consensual), it was still accepted as rape but Mom liked him and decided to give him another chance because who knows? Maybe he was right.
The same pattern followed in the sexual assault and harassment cases. Up until the point at which he ended up in that cell he had spent much of the past few years talking his way out of charges and accepting suspensions, transfers and so on "agreeably, both for his well-being and the comfort of *insert female name here*". Naturally, none of those cases involved the victim or victim's family ever hearing about the previous charges. Hysterical, confused, upset and traumatized female and a well-spoken, gentle looking and reasonable dude. Even from my viewpoint, if I didn't have the experience that I had, I'd also consider that it may have just been a lover's quarrel.
I am not trying to say that this guy has done way more than he was arrested for, but in my experience as someone who has worked with sex offenders (and still does), chances are, whatever they are caught doing is just the most recent on a long list of sex offenses that they managed to get away with either on the record or off the record.
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KingTermite
That could be true in the case I described, as I mentioned I have only recently become acquainted. The thing is, he was actually charged when he was still a minor, yet charged as an adult.
He's extremely shy and I don't believe ever dated or had a girlfriend who's last name wasn't jpeg.
All I can reasonably imagine is that he's been viewing materials of this nature on the internet for a few years. So possibly he's been at it for a while, but there is no paper trail of any sort.
Perhaps we could water board his therapist and see if further information could be obtained...
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Darkoil
If it was up to me I'd tie a brick to his neck and throw him off the nearest pier.
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wigz
Oh boo hoo. What about the problems of the children he watched getting raped? He's not just a passive viewer, he and people like him are what makes the market for child porn. He is contributing to the abuse of children by demanding child porn.
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KingTermite
I could agree with you except he paid nothing to obtain the materials that got him busted. They existed before he viewed them, and they existed after he viewed them, and I'm guessing they still exist now, what with the internet's power of eternal preservation.
And what about their problems? He suffers from them too, as he was abused as a child, where is your sympathy for ALL the victims?
I really don't think you argument holds much water as there is no supply and demand dynamic in the world of child porn, except perhaps in those rare places where it is a legal commodity.
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It's interesting; maybe it comes down to how you feel about death. But some people are thinking that with murder, well basically you're dead, you're not being hurt, you're not living with PTSD etc etc. So in a sense, it's less bad... Or it's only bad for the victim's family.
I agree with you though. Just interesting, the different reactions.
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musicwire4
Obviously rape, murder isnt a big deal everyone dies thats normal. Everyone isnt raped.
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NobodyKnows
Depends. If by "murder" you mean murder, then that is worse.
If by "murder" you mean "allow a rape victim to have an early-term abortion" then I guess I think the rape the victim suffered and will have to deal with the rest of her life is worse than the "murder" she's committing.
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chronicheadbang
I'd say rape. Rape is never justifiable. There is no situation where you could rape someone and i'd say "they had it coming".Murder on the other hand, well there's lots of justifiable reasons to kill someone.
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NarutoUzumaki
Murder is worst. Though if I was a criminal and had to choose between the two, I would be pretty damn conflicted.
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wigz
Well if you're dead then what's the difference? Maybe you deserved it anyway but even if you didn't you don't suffer the crime, because you are dead, and you feel nothing. There's no justification in rape EVER while there is in murder, OFTEN.
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[Old Memory]
Yo. Sorry for not responding to the other comments yet. Still have to but there's so much to read and respond to. Aha. So to be fair, you don't have to respond to this, well what I mean is I wouldn't expect you to because I haven't gotten back to you on the other post yet.
I have to say I can't say I agree with your reasons here though. I never understood the idea that someone can deserve death but not rape. I can get what you mean if you mean in defense, heat of the moment and so on but if you mean pre-meditated then I would have to say that if someone deserved murder for something they've done then they could deserve rape. For example, if someone abused children physically, mentally, and sexually, then I don't think them being raped would be a harsh thing at all.
So I suppose it depends on what you mean by justifiable murder. If you mean pre-meditated then could you explain why pre-meditated murder is justifiable but rape isn't?
The thing about being dead and feeling nothing can open up to the whole "drugged rape" argument. I mean the whole saying of the biggest regrets in life is what you choose not to do rather than the things you chose to do can play in, yano? :P
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wigz
Yes, I mean killing is justified in self defense, getting out of a serious situation, a bystander helping a victim, neutralizing a public threat, things like that. It can even be ok to be premeditated if you have to plan it out in order to escape. Killing can be the right response but I can't see how rape is. How is raping someone going to save anyones life?
Maybe you are talking about a karma type of thing? Like an awful person gets raped and it's ok because they are shit? I can see that in that respect but the rapist in that scenario probably had no personal interest in that individual's crimes, so we have a rapist raping but it's ok because their victim did something shitty? And if it happens in prison I am even more against it because you go to prison to serve your time, not get tortured. It's your right. Some people in prison are innocent even!
I don't think that a drugged rape is comparable to death because obviously you wake up. If you find out afterwards that you were raped, you feel. It's still a crime. It would be like (but not the same as) not discovering a stolen check out of your bank account until you got your bank statement. The theft happened weeks ago, you had no idea, but now that you know you certainly have the right to be upset and press charges.
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[Old Memory]
Ah, right. I get what you mean. I was just trying to see where you were coming from and if you were saying murder was acceptable in cases like revenge to make someone suffer due to how they've made other suffer but that's clearly not what you meant.
Nah, nah. What I mean by someone raping another person for the karma thing was if someone who was victimized by the person they raped was acceptable in the same way we see murder as acceptable, but I think you don't believe that murder is acceptable incase of saving your life or your own so I don't think it's relevent. :P
I get your point about the rape thing and waking up but what if they didn't find out? Would that then be same case as the future thing? Or what if they raped someone while they were drugged and then killed them? Would that make it the same thing? :)
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wigz
Hey! Don't worry about it, take your time.
I will respond to this once I get my thoughts together. I started to type but it became a jumbled mess that probably wouldn't make sense.
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BlueSparklez95
I think rape is due to it's severe long-term effects on a victim.
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"Life is like the fluttering Azure Blossoms in the sky; sometimes you see the true beauty of it, sometimes you do not."- BlueSparklez
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Ellenna
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BlueSparklez95
True, but there are some things that are worse than death and rape is one of them to me.
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"Life is like the fluttering Azure Blossoms in the sky; sometimes you see the true beauty of it, sometimes you do not."- BlueSparklez
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Anonymous Post Author
Part of the whole "civilization" thing is that we can critically evaluate our own behaviour. We can weigh up the pros and cons of our actions, for ourself and others. It may be in our nature to behave a certain way, but we're not constrained by that. We're intelligent enough to make choices.
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FEMALEVOMITBLOWJOB
MAN pretty much for the most part invented everything. Every brick later a MAN put it there. What I'm saying is that the woman's mind is set in the past as her purpose is to drop children that's what she was designed to do and damn good at it. The MAN makes the decisions for the woman and the MAN decides who he wants to have sex with if he's Alpha and if the woman knows he's Alpha and resists that's only a surface display but deep down she doesn't make the decision whom she's attracted to. This is why the man justly "rapes" the women because she is his property.
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