Which do you think is worst: libya war, 9/11, etc?

So yes, this is my pick of controversial human behaviors, but I want to know which you would choose from my selection. And of course, you can say other.

9/11 16
Attacking Libyan sovereignty 2
Attacking Iraqi sovereignty 10
Billions spent on recent wars 16
US debt obligations on future generations 6
Poor turnover of senate seats 0
Ignoring other malicious governments 3
Weakness of US law protecting global human rights from US people 2
Wide democracy (current participation) 0
Pro-democracy crusading 4
Other (comment) 7
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  • SangoNyappy

    I think people make too much ado about 9/11. Sure people died and it was terrible but they seem to forget that milions of people die every day in poor countries and nobody cares.

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  • disthing

    I guess this is for Americans, judging by the options. I'll answer anyway.

    Uhh out of those I suppose billions spent on recent wars. It's really difficult though, I mean... I can understand the motivation behind trying to secure unstable portions of the middle east from both an economic, military and ideological point of view. How come you didn't mention Afghanistan?

    Concerning Afghanistan, they haven't been truly free in a long time - remember the Soviet Russian invasion? Then the Taliban? America is essentially trying to sweep up the mess they embroiled themselves in, having backed the wrong horse and not supported the Northern Alliance sufficiently. Of course Pakistan and the UAE were trying hard to vicariously secure some control over Afghanistan too, supporting various opposing factions. It's a mess over there. I have a certain affinity for Afghanistan, and that makes me sympathetic to attempts to stabilise and democratise the country. If the US, the UK and other countries hadn't involved themselves, Pakistan or the UAE would have certainly gained control, and since Pakistan has a history of supporting extremist Islamic factions, I wouldn't be very happy with the outcome. But of course the blowback could outweigh the benefits of being involved, with 'collateral damage' and strained relations (especially the perception of the foreign military presence as occupiers rather than allies) leading to support for military opposition, however extreme, and of course attacks on 'Western civilisation' as a form of protest.

    The Iraq war was another difficult one. My main contention was that the basis for invasion was a lie. The incorrect (or falsified) information regarding Hussein's WMD stockpile and military capabilities makes me feel both deceived and distrusting. I actually would have respected them more if they'd been honest about their reasons. I don't see why Iraq was perceived as an immediate danger in the region requiring intervention. Even from an economic point of view (oil) I don't quite get the need at that time to get involved in a conflict.

    The Libyan conflict began as a civil war. Similarly to Afghanistan, had various countries not involved themselves to try and secure the victory of the opposition to Gaddafi, there was a chance an undesirable power would gain control (a coalition of extreme militias or new dictatorship), or indeed external influences from undemocratic countries in the region vicariously taking power. Libya was more justifiable an intervention than Iraq in my opinion.

    Really though, the US spends a ridiculous amount on the military. Have you seen the comparison between military expenditure by country? It's insane! In my opinion it's a waste of American tax payers' hard earned cash.

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    • o_0

      Informative and rare view!
      is it out of interest that you know so much?

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      • disthing

        I just have a curiosity about world affairs, I suppose.

        The Middle-East and North Africa are such tumultuous regions but with such rich histories, I can't help but be fascinated by them, and Western civilisation's relationship with them :)

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  • copernicus

    yikes! does the last 2 generations have A-the attention span of a very small dog or B-
    a blindly politically correct revision of what should be commonly known historical FACTS.
    the last several decades of inept u.s. foreign policies are merely a BAD JOKE compared to the incredible scale of crimes committed by communist police states in terms of civilian deaths.
    so u.s.policies(branded "western capitalist") may have cost during the past century for example,perhaps 3 million lives).
    self described "state socialist"governments of the east
    have murdered at least 80 million citizens under their occupation while holding captive the populations of at least 20 nations. folks need to be utter mental retards to claim this "morally equivalent" to american wrongs.
    bitch all you want-there were no arctic death camp bound cattle cars for political prisoners here,otherwise you wouldn't be still alive after online "truthing" about 9/11.
    western life has been relatively soft since the 60's while our enemies butchered thousands of their protesters without a peep from hippies nor labour unions.
    those mouthing off calling the founding fathers "old white racists" need to exercise the uniquely western right to LEAVE.ingrate parasites.

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  • CptBallbag

    The drug war is pretty high up there. 50% of the US prison population is made up by non-violent drug users. Private for-profit prisons owned by such giants as Corrections Corporation of America generate huge income off of the incarceration of innocent citizens.

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  • Avant-Garde

    I tend to distance myself from such events.

    9/11 was no doubt a bad thing but I was so young and oblivious to it at the time that it never deeply effected me like it might have for someone else.

    I'll have to go with the War on Drugs, The killing of innocents, the truth embargo on UFOs, Imperialism, the introduction of GMOs, america's history of wrongdoing others starting with Slavery and the stealing and killing of Native Americans and their land, etc.

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    • suckonthis9

      Please do not use -ists or isms.

      Thank you.

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  • GoraIntoDesiGals

    Environmentalists, hippies, leftists, freegans, anti-capitalists etc.

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    • suckonthis9

      Please do not use -ists or -isms.

      Thank you.

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      • GoraIntoDesiGals

        Please don't tell me what to do.

        Thank you

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  • NotStrangeBird

    Islam.

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    • suckonthis9

      Why are you creating division in society, and instigating war?

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      • NotStrangeBird

        Incorrect.

        I am not creating or instigating anything. I am expressing an opinion.

        If the more radical elements of this religion (or most religions for that matter) had their way, none of us would be able to express our opinions.

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        • suckonthis9

          Incorrect.

          You are creating division in society.

          You could have said, 'People who believe in the teachings of Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim', instead, and still expressed your opinion.

          Then, more enlightened people, might actually learn about Muhammad, and will discover that the people who believe in the teachings of Muhammad also believe in the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, as well as in the teachings of Abraham.

          They might also discover, that Muhammad was trying to correct corruption in religion, but unfortunately ended up creating division in society, and stagnating many societies.

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          • NotStrangeBird

            Incorrect.

            I agree that I could have said 'People who believe in the teachings of Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim' but nobody would have any idea what the fuck I'm talking about but you.

            Modern life and modern religious (espscially the more radical sects) thought is so far removed from the teachings of Jesus & Mohammed that they have been rendered almost irrelevant.

            Too many folks spend too much time picking and choosing only the parts of the teachings that they want while ignoring the rest, THAT's what creates divisions in society.

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            • suckonthis9

              Incorrect.

              Many people will know, because there are about One and a Half Billion people alive, who are aware of the teachings of Muhammad.

              If we can clean up all this corruption (on all sides), then the Planet Earth will be a much better place to live, for everyone.

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  • Cherrybombpieee

    Ur 911 is our everyday so u guys get one tragedy in a life time we get everyday shut the fuck up u dicks

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  • _Molotov_Cocktail_

    I liked 9/11. They used the planes like giant Molotov cocktails. Sure, it was sad that some people died, but many more die every day. You Americans need to learn to take it on the chin.
    I had anticipated the 9/11 attacks way before they happened from this extract of my grandmother's book of Russian prose.
    "and they will come in glory, riding their giant Molotov cocktails through the clouds."
    -Extract from Russian poem

    I like Molotov cocktails.

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  • Pika-girl

    Hey! 9:11 pm is what time I was born on! I was born on June 15.

    Hm... I'll choose... umm.... I don't have an answer.....

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  • NotStrangeBird

    I can't help but notice your poll is centered around the USA's role in world affairs and associated hypocracy & corruption.

    That's all well and good, but does it occur to you that one of the main reasons that the USA is such a rich target for this type of hate is that the information about the nation's corruption and hypocrracy is much more free and open than many other regiemes?

    Why not China, Russia, N. Korea, Saudi Arabia, or any of these other regiemes that commits terrible deeds against their own citizens in order to KEEP folks like you & me from finding out the specifics of their corruption and hypocracy?

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    • I think 'hate' is a exaggerated buzzword.

      And I know many things about other countries etc.

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      • NotStrangeBird

        OK then, substitute "disdain" for every instance of "hate" you see. Then answer my questions.

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  • loopoo

    Peace.

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