Was this sexual harassment?

I was at work today at a place that I was put in temporarily for. I had worked there for a few months, a while back, but I hadn't been there in two weeks.

There is a mail man who is middle aged and has a wife and two kids who delivers there. I would shoot the breeze with him, nothing too personal, politics, religion, health topics, he'd talk about his family and I'd give him advice... Everything he knows about me, he could tell from observing me, my wedding ring and the religious texts I read at work when I'm not on a call...

Today he came in and greeted my very happily, I went to shake his hand and he pulled me in and hugged me and kissed me on the neck. I was shocked, but I hoped he was just being friendly. I should have known then but I didn't suspect, it was just a light peck, he's married, his daughters are my age... he went across the street and came back with a delivery for the downstairs mail room, and asked me to come along with him.

I'm a security guard, I don't refuse clients, tenants or any workers of the building for routine tasks. Honest to God, I suspected nothing. Once down there, he started telling me about how his marriage was going down the crapper, he started massaging my back and I tried to laugh it off but by that point I was scared, hoping that it was in my head and he was just being friendly. I knew differently but I was just so... nervous.

He hugged me, tried to kiss me, I pushed him off and laughed, told him he was drunk. I was trying to stay friendly, to not anger him. I didn't want him to be angry at me, I have never been more scared in my life. Hoping, hoping that I would get a call, that someone would come down there, something.

He continued, and I tried pushing him off, making jokes, laughing it off, putting my hands into my pockets, everything but he would not budge. I even grabbed at his side, trying to joke it off with him, hoping to God it was all just some over-played joke. But he kept telling me how cute I was, how he wasn't interested in fidelity. I tried to be friendly, I remembered the last time this happened to me and how much the other guy hurt me and I was scared. So scared.

Eventually I push him off for the last time and tell him that I'm telling his wife. He quits... He puts my hand on his chest and I try to make a boob joke and then he grabs mine and the elevator opens and I'm just so happy to be away from him. I was so scared, he never acted like this before. He's old enough to be my father, I didn't want to piss him off.

I feel like it's all my fault. My uniform was not revealing at all, long sleeve shirt, slacks and a blazer. I am not attracted to him at all, I am married. I did not enjoy it, but I did not firmly tell him to stop. I tried asking him, telling him that my back was fine, that I took a painkiller. I tried humoring him, but god damn I was so scared. I've never been more frightened in my life. I didn't flirt with him, anything like that.

I know that there are going to be individuals coming here to try to tell me that it was my fault somehow, that I am not telling all of the truth, that I had it coming, that all females like playing the victim and that I'm one of them. I know they might tell me that men get it worse, that I was flirting with him and that I'm just trying to get a defenseless man in trouble. That is not true, the last thing I want to do is get him into trouble. I will value your opinion, but I will not humor such concepts or assassination of my character with debate. Thank you for your time.

So should I report it, was I sexually harassed?

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  • Yes, this was harrassment. I think you should of been more firm with him, though. He may of thought you were playing "hard to get" due to you laughing and joking about it. Next time you see him, don't joke, don't play around, firmly tell him that he was sexually harrassing you. To him, he might of thought you didn't mind due to the whole joking around thing, but that doesn't make it your fault simply due to the fact you didn't want to get him angry or insulted. Tell him next time firmply, so that he realized that you definetly didn't want it, he may of thought you did.

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    • I mean, I know what you're saying is the truth, but the way I saw it at the time, there were no security cameras, no witnesses, we were underground and no one could hear me scream and he could have just as easily told a different story if I did say straight out "no". I pushed him off, and I thought he got the message, but I guess I was wrong. His breath was nasty as fuck by the way.

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      • You have to consider the idea that not all men coming on to you are going to rape you if you said no. I understand there is a risk of it happening, but don't straight away assume. Although, it was a possibility, and nobody would notice, you should tell him the next day in an area that has cameras that he was harrassing you. Tell him you understand that he may not of meant it in a harrassing way, but that's how it felt, and you didn;t want to be serious and thought saying no in a joke form was enough for him to stop. You don't know, maybe he might feel appauled at what he done after realizing you felt about it this way.

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        • NeuroNeptunian

          If I have to see him again, I'll be sure to tell him. Since it's not my post, I'm not really allowed to patronize it unless I am on the clock there - it's a weird liability rule that security company's have.

          The problem was that he was getting physical, I understand that most men that come on to me are not going to rape me as I've been in the situation before and I was able to just joke it out with them and turn them down whilst saving them some... erm... pride I guess you could say, but once he grabbed me and made it necessary that I push him off, in my head, anything could have been possible.

          That said, if I ever have to work the post again, I'll have to balls up and tell him. I try to be friendly because I understand that some of the men that I deal with are mentally strange but that obviously won't work with more aggressive men...

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    • I've considered it. The LOL I'm sorry but I'm married approach worked in the past, but I'm going to try not to be reassigned there again. I've never had a problem this bad with men at work before and usually I can just laugh it off and they get it =/

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  • When one panda puts his furry little willy in another panda's ear thats sexual harassment, and that makes me a sad panda.

    Hey! Panda bear! We don't take kindly to your types in here!


    Now, calm down, Skeeter. He ain't hurtin' nobody.


    NO! I wanna know somthin' from Mr. Panda Bear here! If you pandas are from mountainous areas of China and Tibet, how come you eat bamboo, which is prone to grow only in drier, more arid regions?!


    Sk-heeter, I don't want no trouble nu-how.


    It's okay. I get it. There's no room in the world for pandas. Well, you don't have to worry about me! I'm off to the Island of Misfit Mascots!

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    • BluntsRolled

      South Parrrrrrrk!!!!!!!!

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      • We don't take kindly to people who take kindly around here.

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    • Shit that is not the comment I responded to.

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      • Yeah, because mine makes no sense. But he is a probably a rapist, a raper raper rapery raper!

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        • I'm reading your comments in my email first. This site sends me the comment you submit and it comes up on my phone. Therefore, I don't know whay to respond to. Your editing.

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          • You're editing, my bad

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            • Raperrrr!!!..raperr!!..raper!..rape!...rap!?....ra!?!...r..r....r....r...r?

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    • Are you being sarcastic?
      Problem is that I should have put my foot down somewhere but for some reason I felt like I was going to get my ass kicked. He did not seem violent but I didn't think I had a viable option other than to play along and hope he lost interest.

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  • dappled

    Yes, that is harassment. You were put in a situation that scared you. Maybe he could argue there are extenuating circumstances and that his personal life is making him act out of character, and maybe that's true, but it's not really your problem.

    One thing I will definitely *NOT* tell you is that it was your fault. You were being friendly. There are plenty of women I'm on a very friendly basis with at work. But the key word is "friendly". It's derived from the word "friend". That's where it stays. I have actually been propositioned at work but it in no way made me feel threatened so there's nothing to report. Your situation is different.

    Whether you put it down to a mistake and warn him that any further behaviour like that will be reported, or whether you pre-empt it and go straight for the report, is up to you. You shouldn't be put in that position. It may not be deliberate harassment, but you felt harassed; and for pretty solid reasons.

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    • I just feel like I didn't resist hard enough, or maybe I should have known beforehand. I don't want to report him and get him into trouble with his wife, I think I might ask not to be sent there again. This is the 2nd time this has happened at a temporary work place.

      By the way, I reformatted it. I meant for it to be a poll. An IIN question would have been odd, as I didn't ask for normality.

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      • dappled

        You shouldn't have to "resist". You should expect to be able to have cordial relations with someone of the opposite sex without it being construed as an invitation for it to be something more. If you were outright flirting, fair enough. But you weren't.

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        • I know...
          It's just odd... It hasn't happened to me at work before and while I am friendly to him, I don't flirt with him, I hardly know his name. Thanks for the advice.

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      • insanebotv21

        In the future, kick him in the balls... men hate that. Just like you hate being raped. Which is why it's rape. Because you didn't ask for it. Right there's your answer: you didn't ask for it, therefore, it is rape.

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      • shade_ilmaendu

        No matter what the situation is, you will always feel like you could have done more afterwards. I did resist when I was assaulted, and still thought it was my fault because I could've bit his thing off and didn't because I was afraid to.

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  • Blazneg2007

    Yes... I don't see how this has to be a question.
    When I see a car, I don't ask people if it's a car. I know it's a car, because I know what cars are.

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  • Ryan556

    This was harassment and I know you didn't want to hear this but when you joked around he must of thaught you were coming on to him or somthin maybe he was just sexually atracted to you sense day one tell him if he does it again you'll tell um you said you didn't want to get him in trouble

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  • Couman

    I'd say that goes a bit beyond sexual harassment and into sexual assault territory (though it's on the mild end, obviously).

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  • boobie

    if u are married tell ur husband

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  • disthing

    You shouldn't report it to the police or tell his wife, but you should inform the management where you work about it so they can keep an eye out if he tries something again.

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  • Boo!

    Yes, you were harrassed. We don't need more of his kind, Report him and stay as far away from him as you can.

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  • MissyLeyneous

    Holy shit! I'd imagine you were scared! He's being a creep!

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  • Lynxikat

    I agree with everyone else- you were sexually harassed and you should report him.

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  • LizardSkin

    No it isn't. Because I'm a sexist pig.

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    • At least you're honest.

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      • LizardSkin

        To a fault. I mean female security guards? Come on...

        But if I was your husband I'd whoop his ass. You should report it to him.

        But then I'm not a big fan of the justice system. I'm more of the vigilante type.

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  • Corleone

    No, you don't have to blame yourself. When something like this happens, you get overwhelmed. It's impossible to think clearly when you're terrified. Most people in a situation like this would act the same as you did.

    I don't really think there's a right way to act in such a situation. If you would've acted more firmly, there are two options. Either he would've stopped sooner, or he could've gotten aggravated and started doing something worse. You played it as safe as you could.

    I don't know if this is a proper analogy, but when someone gets beaten up, it's not his fault because he didn't take boxing lessons. It's the assailant's fault, no matter what.

    The good thing is, it's over now. And you have all the right to report him.

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  • wigsplitz

    I'd say YES, you were definitely harassed, whether you should report it or not I'm unsure. On one hand I lean toward yes, because you were wronged clearly, I believe your story, and also you may not be his first OR last victim....but on the other hand, it's iffy because it's your word against his....and based on your story, if there is video surveillance of what went on it still may not be clear who did what and it may even paint you in a bad light because you say you grabbed and squeezed back (I understand WHY you did it, and in no way am I blaming you, I'm just saying, it may look bad for you).

    One thing I noticed about your post was that you did a lot of assuming of what he 'knew' or should know, or should have notice and recognized. That's your first mistake. Never assume you know what they know (or they know what you know), or are on the same page. Also, he may 'know' but not care. You just can't ever be sure about what's going on in someone's head. You let those assumptions put you at risk. Please don't take that as a statement of blame, I understand how you're thinking and why and all, I'm simply saying assumptions are worthless when it comes to this sort of thing and it's best to err on the side of caution.

    This man was in the least unprofessional and at worst probably criminal. You did nothing wrong because you shouldn't have to deal with this shit EVER, you shouldn't have to be put in this position. Sucks that it happens though, and for your own safety you just need to put out the 'never fuck with me' vibe. I think he took advantage of your personality and your joking manner, which is shitty, but it's what people do. Some people are predators and they just know how to sniff out the best victims, they'll take any weakness you have and exploit it. I guess what I'm saying is, you can't change what other people do really, you can only change how you are and how you deal with things, so be strong, firm and upfront and be 100% professional at work. I think you gave this man an inch and he took a mile, and that's typical.

    Sorry I can't help you more with whether or not to report it, I'd say just consider ALL angles, all pro's and con's before deciding. Some of the things you said about how he did this and that make me really think though that this isn't his first rodeo. I really don't know though, whether or not to report it.

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    • shade_ilmaendu

      One of the more annoying things about being a female.

      Be soft and nice and friendly, people will like you, guys will like you, but they'll try to step all over you.

      Put out the tough girl, "don't fuck with me I might be packing" vibe and you're safe... but now everyone's intimidated by you and you get lots of rude comments everywhere you go.

      But that may be in part becasue people in my hometown are close minded bigots. :) I wonder how they manage with the college here, all us freaks running around offending their rural sensiblities. ;P

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      • Allistalla

        that is so true!

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      • Queen^of^Spades

        yep. seriously.

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    • Thank you.
      My manager is also a friend of mine in the company, and I told him not to send me there again. You're right, I might have given him too much of an inch. I am used to being flirt with at work so maybe I don't recognize it anymore when it happens. If he weren't married, I'd report him in an instant but I don't want this, in any way, becoming a my word against his situation because he would be the far more credible source (his age, work experience, etc.)/

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  • i dont know whether you should report it, it could be more trouble than its worth, maybe you could look at the vibes you're putting out as a security guard, be more guarded (not being smart)

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  • anti-hero

    You ladies and your work place fantasies.

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    • I don't fantasize about being fondled by a middle aged post man. Maybe you do, but I don't.

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      • anti-hero

        haha You got me, that is my secret.

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        • It's OK. We all still love you.

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          • anti-hero

            I know, it's the strangest thing. I say all kinds of awful shit and the people still love me. I can't make IIN hate me no matter what I do!

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  • Dad

    You lost me at:
    "the religious texts I read at work"
    Obviously he knows you're stupid, at a wild guess.

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    • Man, were you molested as an altar boy or something? Rarely I see dickheads like you around..
      I'm sorry, but it's nobody's fault you became some fat fuck's bitch so early in your life.

      You gotta let it go, see a shrink, meditate.. live and let live, man.

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      • Dad

        But doctors use science, not like the lies in religion.
        Its one thing to 'study' religions (I'd say that would be quite interesting actually) But to be religious? That's just pathetic.
        I generally laugh at people who say they are religious.
        Plus if during a conversation they announce that they are christian (or any other ridiculous religious belief) I think to myself, I'm seriously speaking to a weak minded individual. Hey are you one? I need a good laugh.
        I find ALL religious people shameful, and with good cause to.
        I live in the real world btw.

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        • I'm not even going to point out the cases in which science has lied and results have been fabricated costing tens of thousands of people their lives and I'm not going to humor the though of trusting something just because a scientist said it, it's almost as bad as the people that trust everything they hear because a trusted religious figure said it. You're fine to feel the way you do, but here in the real world that you claim to live in, science is not a god. It is fallible, discoveries made today disprove discoveries made yesterday. You're just putting faith in another of the many fallible human creations, as the creation is as fallible as the Creator.

          But this isn't about my religion or academic habits. I don't care what the hell you believe. If you want to trust only what your eyes see, then let it be so. But this same science has done nothing but prove that your eyes are not always truthful...

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          • insanebotv21

            The truth is irrelevant. As is the past. What you believe is what you believe. ALSO, the crusades. Both have done equally horrible things. Science killed 100000 people? Christians blinded at least that. With fucking forks. DESIGNED TO BLIND PEOPLE, because apparently they couldn't do that fast enough with just one spike.

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          • Dad

            Yes but I'm open to the truth.
            Whereas religious people are definitely not. This confirmed through the facts we now know today, and there are STILL people believing in this retarded fairytale.
            Pretty sure that makes me a whole lot more wiser.
            And please don't talk in tongues to me or pray for me, right now I am just sad for you.

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            • Where the hell are these facts, and where were they when religious people like Albert Einstein were seeking truth beyond that which most anti-religous folks will ever discover in their lifetime?

              You say thay you're open to the truth yet you so closed mindedly discard something that has influenced almost every facet of humanity since the dawn of it's existence, even influencing you as you sit. You're not open to the truth, you're open to what you think the truth should be.

              There's little fundamental difference between you and the bible thumpers that will never admit the imperfections of.their sacred document. People that think that the truth should be as convenient as storing all of your faith and knowledge into one vested interest, rather than having to actually use their minds to study all possibilities, to entertain all thoughts and to seek the truth in every available facet.

              But no, that's just too hard. It's against your morals, your delicate ego, to at least attempt to.comprehend what you don't agree with. I've told.this to many "religious" people too. Cling to your prejudice and your ignorance disguised as logic. If anyone here deserves pity, it's you.

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        • No, you're just a sad idiot, regardless of what you believe to be true or right.

          If you like science -cool, go see a good psychiatrist to help you with that massive butthurt of yours.

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    • myboyfriendsbitch

      Why do you always have to bash religion? That's not even what this post is about.. You used to be cool.

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      • Dad

        I think I'm just getting all these facts out in the open. And this seems like a 'teenage' site (I understand there are much older ones here too) So I want to nip it in the bud, if that's a way of looking at it.
        Don't worry too much, once my work is done I'll likely move on. So get everyone to agree with me and all will be ok :)

        I find that America's kids are not getting the clear understanding of how religion is now thought of as shameful. (It seems to be the US and the Middle east, do note I was previously on a Middle East board debating with girls wanting to wear hijabs etc, its the same thing here for me)

        Religion is not fashionable anymore.

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    • I hardly consider myself stupid for studying various world religions but all opinions are appreciated.

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      • Dad

        Studying various world religions is not silly.
        Thanks for the extra info ;)

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        • Allistalla

          I know really leave the Christians alone.

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