Was the bombing of hiroshima & nagasaki justified?

They asked for it.

It sucks that civilians died, but they hardly gave us a choice. The 2nd bomb may have been questionable.

I think their society now is better than it was before, because of Western influences. But of course I would say that.

Good riddance to the Japanese Imperial Army though. I've no sympathy for them, particularly not after reading about the Nanking Massacre.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

That was a low blow on a who's got the biggest dick fight!!!

It is impossible to say. The Japanese were so loyal to the emporer and would have given their individual lives to fight to the death(kamikaze). A gound invasion of allied forces would likely have resulted in a much larger human casualty than the nukes extolled. Long term fallout is another quantifying factor though. It is impossible to rewrite history to determine what another version tells, but i do believe the first bomb saved hundreds of thousands of lives. The value of the second is definitely questionable.

They did it for the lulz.

Of course they weren’t justified. They hastened Japan’s surrender by at most two months, and may have had absolutely nothing to do with their surrender.

The US was launching a very successful campaign of conventional bombings that would’ve likely lead to Japan’s surrender on their own before a full ground invasion would’ve been necessary. But Japan was hoping to get Russia on their side and prevent the US invasion...once Russia’s invasion started, that’s when they knew the war was lost and they would have to surrender. It just so happened that the nuclear bombings coincided with that invasion.

Of course, the Allied Powers also could’ve offered more favorable surrender terms and ended the war before any of that was necessary, but we don’t like to talk about that because anything less than total and complete surrender and humiliation is viewed as a loss. Why would anybody want to learn from what happened in Germany after the First World War.

War is never justified.

Pearl Harbor wasn't justified, neither was America's retaliation.
Selling a shit ton of weapons to Saudi Arabia which they can pass onto ISIS isn't justified, and neither is dropping missiles and shit on Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

How come we only rest in peace? How many fucking wars must the west have to continue fighting for us to finally be able to live in peace too?

Can't the USA export marijuana to Saudi Arabia instead of weapons? Like, if you're high as fuck, you don't even have the will to lift your fucking arm let alone fight, you just want to giggle your tits off and eat chocolate...

I personally believe that if you feel the need for war (something which is never justified imho) then there should be no rules. All out fucking brutal, barbaric, whoop ass.

If you are going to do something, and your conscience has no problem, go all out.

If you can justify any war, you can justify all brutality, so don't give me some bullshit about a just and honorable war.

Don't rape me and thank me afterwards out of some kind of guilt. Live with your descisions. All or nothing.

They asked for it fucking savages

Anyone who supports, or God forbid, is a commie, facist or a Nazi can burn in hell. Fuck their Imperial Amry of rapists, bandits, and slaves to the emperor.

Civilians deaths and mistreatment is always an unfortunate part of war. However, I maintain that the USA did what was necessary to bring Japan to its knees.

Things have been uphill for Japanese culture after they were set straight by America.

Thankfully, the closest thing to a military that they're allowed to have is now controlled by the Ministry of Defense.

After the behavior of their army, (mass rapes, torture, human experimentation ect) that served them right.

I AM a hypocrite for America. We have committed unjustifiable cruelties, but I would never want our independent military taken away.

Would that make my statement more or less believeable? (It is proven fact)

Also it’s funny that you bring up Russia and the Cold War because fun fact: the Cold War wouldn’t have happened, or at least it wouldn’t have been nearly as intense, if the US hadn’t shown a willingness to drop nuclear bombs. We forced Russia(and subsequently any other country that wants to be taken serious as a national power, including North Korea) to nuclearize themselves with those bombings. Not only was it completely unjustified and the worst war crime in human history, it wa also the dumbest - and has had the most disastrous consequences - of any military decision ever made. Yep, even worse than the invasion of Iraq that lead to ISIS.

You are certainly right about the voracity of Japanese military culture. My point is a bit controversial, but there was never even a vote in the three days between the bombs, so they never declined. Finally, nine days later on August 15th, under the Emperor's authority, they voted in favor of surrender mostly because the Russian invasion of Manchuria was turning into a embarrassing cake walk.

I am saying, the Hiroshima attack without Nagasaki would have been good enough for the surrender vote on August 15th. They wanted to avoid the humiliation of a loss to the Russian Army. They already expected to show national honor by defending the country against a U.S. ground invasion by dying to the last man. One million casualties were expected.