Should women have the vote?

If you want to put words and positions in my mouth, go ahead. Questioning is not the same as wanting to deny something. You're trying to disallow room for fence-sitting, but I'm not budging. Questioning why women got equal rights is one part of a whole me analyzing this whole change of the last centuries.

By the way, stop bringing this "they fought hard" "died" arguments, because it doesn't mean anything for me, nor for the people who doesn't embrace that cause. You want to fight and die for a cause, go ahead, you won't be given a cookie for it, it's YOUR cause, not other people's. You can do heroin for it, blow up stuff in the name of Allah for it, hang yourself, wear sandals, it doesn't move or sway me one iota what you do with yourself for your cause.

And you want me to add another layer to that? These women -- whoever died for the vote, if any -- died for nothing! Exactly! You think if they didn't do all that bullshit, women today still wouldn't be having the vote? Highly unlikely, given every single country in the world gave their women the vote, roughly around the same era. And see, those tides of public sentiments, that's what I'm trying to analyze these days by looking at history. And you're not gonna tell me that women died, or even fought, in every single country to have it. Which suggest that it would've happened either way, which suggests they died for nothing. So they're suckers basically; they paid for something they could've had for free. Yeah, let's respect that!

People usually "fight" when the tide is already turning in their favor. You think women and those battle-ax viragoes would've done that in the 19th when they couldn't even divorce their husbands? Hell no. But with industrialization, people and society became a little more liberal, there was the flapper phenomenon and all that, and they just rode that wave.

Same with blacks and homosexuals after that. Stonewall, all that stuff, that didn't happen in the 50s for a reason. No, it happened AFTER a few first states started decriminalizing sodomy, and the hippie sentiment was gaining steam and so on. And the decriminalization went on anyway in the coming decades, with or without the riots, and in every single Western country.

Likewise, the black riots didn't break out BEFORE the Civil Rights. It was after they got equal rights, and considerable public support outside of the South. After that, they wouldn't stop rioting until Nixon came along and threatened a heavy-handed response on the motherfuckers destroying property, which was some of the reason he was voted in. You'd think all that "fighting" would've taken place before the civil rights, but it didn't. Before that, almost all of the rioting was done by whites, funnily enough.

So you want me to respect that fighting and dying? Fuck no. That's because people are pieces of shit, they'll yell for more and start hitting as soon as they get some, but not before.

Yeah, those 9/11 hijackers sure died for their cause! Say what you will about them but they had conviction and massive balls. Yeah, let's respect them because of that, and give them some more rights or anything other heavy bombing on their villages!

Yes, but voting is not one of those things.