Questions on gun control

My dad and I were discussing the mass shootings that happened, and we got to talking about how some of the guns available for purchase have very large magazines.

Now we are both very very pro-second amendment, but we also agree there are certain weapons that there is no justifiable reason for a private citizen to own, and that reasonable restrictions are necessary.

My dad suggested that all fire arms sold to the public be restricted to hold only a maximum of six bullets.
We're not stupid enough to believe that restricting fire arm sales will stop mass shootings but perhaps it might at least cut down on the number of casualties.
And honestly neither of us can think of a reason why anyone outside of the military would need to have more than 6 bullets in their gun.

So what do you people think, should fire arms be restricted to hold only a maximum of 6 shots

yes it should be limited to six shots 11
no things are fine as they are 19
guns shouldn't even hold six shots 17
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  • charli.m

    We haven't had any mass shootings since the Port Arthur Massacre in 96. That shooting was the impetus for gun reform.

    Do we still have shootings? Yes. But the damage that can be done is far less. Still awful, but at least not as many killed or injured.

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  • Azaman

    Everyone should be allowed a musket but nothing else.

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    • VirgilManly

      And why is that?

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  • SamanthaReese

    Oh! and why more than six bullets? Why di YOU have the right to even make the argument? It is an inalienable right. Not one you or anyone can vote away. It is immutable. Unless we subordinate the Constitution... that is what is happening.

    From a practical sense, if you are fighting more than one individual, six bullets are not enough. If you are fighting the military, how could you even ask the question. You have NO defensive training. Six bullets..... OMG

    Let me ask you, do cops have 6 bullets??? Why is that?

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  • Azaman

    I came back to this post to read the responses, and gave up half way through. sigh...

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  • SamanthaReese

    The idea was to prevent a monopoly of power by the government itself. If you limit guns to being "less" than the guns "they" will or may use against you, then you defeat the utility of the second amendment.

    People HAVE (even though the law has infringed upon that right) the tight to own guns with as effective assault and defense capacity as the government troops.

    When you allow the government to curtail RIGHTS, you tread a slippery slope. aYou have already allowed the government to erode:
    -Freedom of speech (in the name of preventing hate speech - people SHOULD be allowed to say whatever they want)
    -Protection against unlawful search and seizure (the IRS needs no warrants, if the government invokes the anti-terrorism act, they need no warrants,
    -your right to council and your protections guaranteeing due process are gone (the GOVERNMENT now determines if you are worthy of those rights - in other words... you have no right anymore)
    -you have no privacy (every word and message you type is catalogued and archived in Utah by the NSA... no due process, no warrants... they can retrospectively "fish" for a case against you)

    People need to wake up. This is no longer the country I was born into. Ben Franklin was right when he said, "a man who gives up liberty for security will find he has gained neither".

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  • wigz

    Do you know what a magazine even is? Doesn't sound like it. Yet you want to make laws on it. You apparently don't know shit about guns, shooting, sport, hunting or living in a rural place where guns are necessary. gtfo.

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    • Cocomilktitties

      I didn't ever say I wanted to make laws on anything. I just said that I liked the idea behind what he was saying. I admitted that I didn't know enough about guns to really know if "6 shots" would be an effective regulation.

      Like I said to someone above, this is a typical gun owner response. Very defensive, very fast even when I said nothing to attack the second amendment or really anything to attack anyone or anything at all.

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      • wigz

        The problem is, you're advocating for a standard when you know nothing about guns or the majority of people who own them. As if you wouldn't vote anti-gun? That's literally how regular people 'make laws'...they vote based on these beliefs. Of course people get defensive when ignorant people step up and decide they want to make the rules. People who have (admittedly) no knowledge of guns and no personal need for them. No interest in them. Just a knee-jerk reaction to a random tragedy.

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        • Cocomilktitties

          What do you mean by "anti gun"?. I said I am pro second amendment. If I was voting on a ban of all firearms, I would vote against that ban (at least at this time). If you mean that I would potentially vote for regulations, then you would be correct.

          I didn't say that I was the right one to decide how many "shots" would be appropriate. Or what type of regulations should be placed on firearms. I was advocating a overall, general viewpoint on the logic behind regulation in general.

          Random tragedy? Is that what you call it? Random? Really? with all the mass shootings within the last decade or so... you want to say it's random? It's not random. There was a motive in all of those shootings and there was also a way that the person was able to carry out those shootings with the help of certain tools. It's not random.

          And I'll tell you something else. Just because I'm not a gun owner, doesn't mean that I and others don't have a say in the gun laws. We walk the same streets as you do and we all have a right to feel safe. If you want to own guns, that's fine. But there is a line to be drawn.

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          • mysistersshadow

            And thats exactly the point here. You're in no danger from law abiding responsible gun owners. Your in danger from whack jobs that would ignore or circumvent the laws. So again 20k+ gun laws and tragedies STILL happen. Obviously gun legislation is NOT the answer.

            If you can explaib how another law which would be ignorned by a maniac would change anything I would gladly hear you out. But so far your only saying things that would be less than effective.

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            • Cocomilktitties

              Whack jobs that legally purchase guns... and are law abiding gun owners... until they do something terrible. It's only after they do the terrible thing that they are a "whack job".

              Look at Charli's comment above. That makes some of my point for me. But like I said, I am not advocating a specific law, so I don't know what you guys are so hung up about. Plus I already kind of described wayyyy up there back quite a few comments on your comment how regulations can be beneficial.

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      • VirgilManly

        The reason gun owners get defensive is they are tired of non-gun owners who have no knowledge of guns but want to make rules. It's like gay men wanting to make laws concerning women's reproductive health.

        Just because a gun looks like a military firearm or was based on a military design doesn't mean it operates like a military firearm. Jeeps and hummers are based on military or battlefield designs but the civilian versions are much different.

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        • Cocomilktitties

          Look at the last paragraph in the comment I wrote above yours.

          Also, more typical responses that I've heard too many times now. Always trying to compare guns to other issues. It's not the same.

          Women's reproductive health doesn't pose a threat to everyday Americans walking the streets. Women's reproductive health doesn't put bullets in people's heads.

          I mean I get what you are trying to say, it's just that it really is not comparable at all. Non gun owners have a right to have a say in gun laws because the presence of guns is something that affects everyone's personal safety and has the potential to help or harm a person's personal freedoms.

          I won't go into detail about how that process works and why.

          I was simply speculating on an idea that the OP had proposed. I was not trying to propose any gun laws or even claim that I knew anything about guns, and right away I got two very defensive responses, both telling me I don't know what I'm talking about etc.

          Makes me question why someone would get so defensive like that. I think sadly a lot of people who own guns don't understand the true power of their weapon and don't quite understand the responsibility they take on when they possess a firearm.

          Gun rights are in the constitution, but that doesn't mean that it is priority over all other rights.

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          • VirgilManly

            My whole point is the actual threat of "Gun Violence" is far less than we are lead to believe. We are fed a steady diet of hype and misinformation making law abiding gun owners out to be the bad guy. If you can't understand why that becomes tiring then that is your problem.Maybe you should do something about overcoming your irrational fear. You are more likely to die from other things that we do nothing about to prevent or decrease the likelihood but blame societies problems on guns. Just because a law may make you feel safer doesn't mean it actually will in reality. Just look at France.

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  • Cocomilktitties

    I like the idea behind what you are saying. I'm not familiar with guns, so I don't really know if 6 shots is the magic number or not, but I like the thinking behind that. I think the bottom line like you said, is that there comes a point where the level of technology in modern day weapons becomes too much for people to be allowed to be carrying around every day in society.

    Where do we draw the line? That is a good question... and one that hopefully some smart people can come up with a good answer to. It has to be drawn somewhere though.

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    • mysistersshadow

      Maybe instead of adding yet more ineffective firearm legislation we could try to find a way to enforce the 20,000+ laws already on the books. Yea you read that right 20,000+. If those laws aren't doing what you want how is another 1 going to magically change anything?

      This kinda like gay marriage. Don't like gay marriage? Easy answer... don't marry someone of the same gender. Don't like those scary guns? Don't buy one. Problem solved.

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    • wigz

      "I don't know shit about guns and I am afraid of them and my opinion is just an ignorant knee-jerk reaction yet I feel it's totally valid and should affect legislation".

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  • Kookulainamus

    People already tape magazines together to change them quickly.

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  • guyiwthaname

    They should all be banned.
    Here in good ol' Germany the gun laws are very very strict.
    No normal citizen has one at home with out a reason for it.

    Me for example:
    I've got one. It's just a 9mm pistol. But I've got this gun for sports. I do competitive shooting and stuff.

    To be allowed to buy a pistol, I had to get a proof from the police that I never did anything wrong, I had to get a proof from the shooting range that I know how to use a gun and you have to write an exam about stuff like how to clean it and carry it and so on.
    You also need to prove that you are a specific time in a shooting sport club and train regularly.

    If you are no cop or not in the military, it is years of work to even get the permission to own and buy one.
    At this point you are not even allowed to take it out of the safe.
    Did I mention that you also need to buy a safe that has some specific requirements and that said safe need to be checked if it meets the requirements?

    What I want to say is that we dont have mass shootings because no one has gunz.

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    • Azaman

      Who needs guns when you got gas chambers, am I right?

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      • guyiwthaname

        You're totally right m8. Totally!

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    • VirgilManly

      You guys voted in Hitler so no wonder no one trusts you with guns.

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  • Potatoskins

    We should own swords and knives instead. That requires more skill and thought, and it's also bloodier >:)

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  • mysistersshadow

    Restricting magazine size for law abiding citizens won't change anything. If ppl want larger magazines they'll still get them. Laws like that don't make the world safer.

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    • SirChazwick

      You are right on point on this one. Too bad youre a bitchy bitch.

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      • mysistersshadow

        I'm a well armed bitch.

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        • SirChazwick

          That protects your right to party. But you can still be a bitchy bitch on here.

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          • mysistersshadow

            I'm glad I have your permission. In return I'll give you permission to say whatever you want. Isn't freedom great.

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            • SirChazwick

              It is only great if you have got freedom of speech...bitchy bitch. So do you plan to be a bad ass bitch whom is going to bitch up?

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    • Cocomilktitties

      People will find a way around laws no matter what you try to put restrictions on for the most part. That doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to enforce the laws if they have a potential benefit to safety and if they don't intrude on the rights of the people. The second amendment allows for people to own firearms... and nothing more. Restrictions on more modern-day technology that has come in recent years isn't an unconstitutional move in my opinion; so long as people can still own firearms.

      To me, a restriction like that doesn't hurt anybody, but could potentially save a few lives or delay a crime waiting to happen and give a bigger chance for law enforcement to intervene.

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      • mysistersshadow

        So your concern is criminals... the ppl that WOULD circumvent the laws by punishing law abiding gun owners like myself. Ok that makes perfect sense.

        You want to make my handgun which holds 9 rounds only hold 6. Hmmm... how would this be accomplished? Do I get to incur this cost or will you be taking care of this for me? Your not in any danger of me shooting you unless your trying to assault me or your a paper target with a silhouette. And this is the case with every gun owner I know.

        Why not start with cars which kill alot of ppl by hmmm... I don't know limiting all cars top speed to 25mph? Not many traffic deaths are caused at that speed so it seems pretty reasonable. Sure a car could still drive thru a crosswalk full of kids and probably kill a few but 6 rounds on a playground could do the same thing.

        I'm also confused by your use of the term "more modern-day technology" do you mean something like since the American Civil War? Since there was a 16 round rifle used in that conflict those 150+ year old relics would need to be modified as well. My guess is that you were completely unaware of such a thing and are therefore spouting off on a subject you actually know pretty much nothing about. Like most ppl in favor of yet more ineffective firearm legislation your guided by your owm fear and not by reality. Why not stick to a subject your actually knowledgable about? I'm sure there must be some area where you know what your talking about.

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        • VirgilManly

          I think I love you! :)

          Every year in America, the number of drunk driving fatalities (*13,365 in 2010)roughly exceeds the number of **gun related homicides. (The gun related homicides also include justifiable homicides by law enforcement and self)
          To the OP,Should we limit how much alcohol can be purchased by an individual? Should we continue to sell alcohol to repeated DWI offenders? How about background checks?

          * Source The Bureau of Transportation Statistics.
          **According to the FBI, in 2012, there were 8,855 total firearm-related homicides in the US

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          • mysistersshadow

            I get that "I think I love you" alot. :)

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        • Cocomilktitties

          This is a very typical response of a gun owner (with some exceptions). I have had a similar conversation probably 5 times at least with people who own guns. Every time, they get very defensive very fast. Before I continue my response, I'll say that I am pro second amendment. I believe that because guns exist and are difficult to control, the people, for safety reasons, have the right to own them if they feel they would like to. I have nothing against you being a gun owner.

          That being said, I think that considering that the technology that we have in modern day weapons (which yes, is more than it was back in the day), we have to have regulations. I agree that 20,000+ regulations is a lot and you're right, they probably aren't being upheld and enforced properly a lot of the time. I also think that we need to step that part up as well to enforce the laws that we do have. But I think that we have to accept that with the nature of a weapon, considering that we have hundreds of millions of people in this country, and people and items come into this country unmonitored regularly, we are going to have to have a lot of laws.

          I mean hundreds of millions of people... can you imagine if all of those people had guns? And not only a gun... but a gun that could in some cases, come close to matching military grade firearms? You might think I sound dumb... but really think about it. The goal of restrictions in my view is to make it harder to obtain firearms, make it a slower process, and reduce the number of guns circulating around. People who really want it for self defense who are law abiding citizens will still have no problem having something to defend themselves.

          I am not proposing a specific regulation. However, if the 6 shot hypothetical were put into place, my proposal would be that we only apply that to guns purchased after a certain date and make illegal the resale of any firearms of that type. The goal would be to decrease the rate that those types of firearms are being distributed. I know that there is really no way to completely get rid of anything like that.

          I have heard the car argument before by the way, but it's not comparable in my book. A car is something that has a purpose to transport people and items. A gun only has one purpose really, and that is to kill. And by the way, we heavily regulate automobiles and we have a lot of law enforcement on the road. We have that for a reason. It doesn't completely stop all accidents, but it would be a lot worse without the enforcement.

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          • wigz

            gun =/= capacity or magazine. Some guns have an internal magazine or capacity such as a shotgun or some rifles, or a revolver, which you load rounds directly into and there is a max as the capacity is built in and is usually 6 or less. Other guns require a magazine which feeds loads into it. It's an external part. It can vary wildly in capacity.

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            • Cocomilktitties

              Okay, then let me correct myself. *Guns and gun accessories* Although like I said, that's not the pinpoint of my argument.

              She was talking about: "You want to make my handgun which holds 9 rounds only hold 6." So I was partially replying to that.

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          • mysistersshadow

            So you say my answer is typical and just dismiss the whole argument. I'd say thats typical of ppl that don't have a strong argument. The best part is you admit you don't know about guns. Boom. Right there it says it all.

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            • Cocomilktitties

              No ma'am. That is not what I said at all. I was making an observation about how defensive you got. That does not dismiss your argument. I responded pretty clearly to what you were saying.

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