Pro-life or pro-choice?
what is your opinion on abortion?
| pro-life | 16 | |
| pro-choice | 55 | |
| other/undecided | 8 |
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[Old Memory]
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Ellenna
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[Old Memory]
People who shouldnt have kids, such as sex offenders, child abusers, violent criminals, repeated drug users (mainly people who already did drugs while pregnant)
They would have mandatory sterilazation.After that give a $5000 reward to anyone who volunteers to be sterilized. It may sound like a lot, but considering how much it costs to have kids it will save money in the end while eliminating unfit parents.
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Ellenna
So who appointed you ruler of the world? If I believed in reincarnation I'd be wondering if you used to be that ranting german maniac with the silly moustache
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[Old Memory]
So do you think child molesters and drug addicts should have children?
I never said to sterilize people for their genes. I would sterilize people for those actions.
I would give money to people who volunteer to be sterilized as well, but that would be their choice.
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Ellenna
Of course I'd prefer that they didn't, although your term "drug addicts" is very wide: do you include alcoholics in that or only people addicted to illegal drugs? I have known addicts who were good parents, others who weren't and parents not addicted to anything who neglect or abuse their kids.
I'm wary of any government having such power because where does it stop? People with mental and/or physical disabilities? What would you do about people who refused? Compulsory sterilisation?
The money incentive is a different concept altogether.
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eastbeast
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RoseIsabella
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Arm0se
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theseeker
Tough call. I've always been undecided when it comes to abortion. My opinion would depend on the circumstances.
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thegypsysailor
No right to lifer will gain my respect until they have adopted at least one crack whore's AIDS child. The child they insist should be allowed to be born into a probable short life of degradation, misery and hopelessness.
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seekelp
I don't think that's very fair. Would you condone the murder of said child after it's born?
The issue here (and I think it's a valid one) is where does "human life" begin exactly? I'd agree that conception is too early, but you have to draw a line that's relatively arbitrary somewhere. Is the end of the second trimester the best place? It's difficult to say.
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NeofelisNebulosa
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[Old Memory]
Pro-choice.
However I think that people are a bit harsh on pro-lifers. They are doing what they do because they want to save what they believe to be infant lives. Their intent is good but not rational. You know, the whole road to hell and good intentions thing. Lol.
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[Old Memory]
I always dis like questions like this. There is no right or wrong answer. It is up to the individual and the individual themselves. Questions like this just stir the shit pot.
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I believe that killing is killing. Besides, the majority of abortions are done for pure convenience.
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Ellenna
How about some statistics on that? You're talking rubbish.
Are you also opposed to war and to the death penalty or like most "pro-lifers" are you only concerned about foetuses?
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I do not see how my stance on capital punishment and was is relevant in this discussion.
You asked me for statistics, well a quick google search for 'abortion statistics' lead me to this site (you could have performed the said search as opposed to assuming my statement was 'rubbish').
www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/
Now, my original statement came from anecdotes and experiences but appears to be confirmed.
"On average, women give at least 3 reasons for choosing abortion: 3/4 say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or other responsibilities; about 3/4 say they cannot afford a child; and 1/2 say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner (AGI)."
Convienience, comfort. Thinking about our own needs and wants rather than those of the child as well. As you can see, these people think work, school, relationship status are all more important than a child, and will happily have their child killed if it interferes.
It's quite selfish, being given the shot at life we were given by our parents, denying the same privilege to others.Comment Hidden ( show )-
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Ellenna
A foetus is not a child and the alternative to abortion is compulsory motherhood - not good for the woman, the subsequent child or society. "These people" aren't putting their own lives before that of a child, but that of a foetus.
The reason I asked for your views on capital punishment and war was because I was curious to know if you're as concerned about the killing of adults as you are of foetuses.
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Above post should not be confused with username ████████.
I am prochoice.
I do not think the decision to get an abortion is an easy one and I do not believe anyone does it in such a flippant manner.Comment Hidden ( show )
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anti-hero
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DocileDragonair
Strongly pro-choice. The hypocrisy from Pro-"Lifers" is sickening. Regarding the well-being of actual children, Pro-Birthers are no different from PETA claiming they care about animals (when in reality more than 10,000 are put down every year).
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(s)aint
At the same time as I dislike unfit parents, depending on welfare and who puts themselves before their kids I hate women who use abortion as birth-control.
Not everyone is fit to be parents, I am not at this stage of my life and I don´t know If I will ever be. You must be fit mentally and financially before you put a child to this world.
Most broken people I know is broken because one or both of their parents had mental issues as well.
I am however a bit weird. I acknowledge an infant as the life that it actually is. Maybe not the first weeks but sometimes infants that actually LOOKS LIKE BABIES are terminated- It is murder, I can´t really see how anyone could deny that.
BUT i would abort an unwanted child and I think that it is a right that anyone has.
I also do not let the friends that have had an abortion know about these opinions, they don´t need that.
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GreyWulfen
Don't say "pro-life" please. These people are not pro-life. They just want the baby to be born to please their egoistic religious beliefs and don't care what happens to it afterwards. They are nothing but delusional morons who want to make laws out of their uneducated opinions.
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Advocates of "pro-choice" are a joke. Of course they take lightly the murder of fetuses; THEY'VE already been born.
Don't do to another what you wouldn't want done to yourself. Don't kill babies.
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lilmich
Do you remember your time in utero? I don't, I don't know anyone who does. So why would I care if I was aborted before I had a sentient consciousness? I wouldn't ever have known any different.
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[Old Memory]
Do you remember when you were two years old? No? Well, is it okay to molest 2-year-olds, just because they're highly unlikely to remember it?
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I can't believe such a brain-dead comment has received so many up-votes.
I'd like to apply the scissors to each and every one of you deranged freaks.
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GreyWulfen
You only say this because you don't know the true motives of the "pro-life" morons.
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Riddler
I believe in being proactive! People need to prevent these issues before they occur. I knew a few pregnant teenagers in HS and they were pregnant since they did not think about it. If people were not so stupid there would be no decision to be made. Pro choice means that the person was not intelligent enough to figure out how to NOT GET PREGNANT.
If you are truly too stupid to figure out how to NOT GET PREGNANT. With all the different kinds of protections we have today you are a sad waste of life and I think humanity would be better off with you banished. We dont need your idiocy infecting the rest of us.
Its already too big a plague. Why is it the babies fault and our fault your all so fucking stupid? GIVE A SHIT ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE! Now in case of rape victims I would say its more justifiable since they made no choice to HAVE SEX. You cant blame them for something that was forced on them. However most rape victims keep the baby. If a woman who was raped is willing to keep a child she did not even ask for whats wrong with the rest of you whores or chose to spread your legs willingly?
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Riddler
I also believe its alright to kill the baby in the case that the mother will die if she has it. Which does often happen with pregnancy. Though I dont think that is what most people are talking about when we discuss abortion. Which is basically a bunch of women who want to have sex on a daily bases without worrying about getting pregnant. So instead they run off to the clinic and say "Can you kill my baby"? Every time the issue occurs. We also have the "Morning after pill" also called "Plan B". Which I also have no reason to be against. Its sad a bunch of adults dont understand how to have safe sex.
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Ellenna
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ucipher8
Abortion isnt an easy decision period. Its not so much about what is right and what is wrong. It's about the responsibility of making such choices.
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westoptic
Pro-life for myself unless my fetus had reached viability and had a congenital deformity or brain abnormality, or there was a serious issue with it's development. Pro-choice for everyone else. Abortion is not a black and white issue and will never be. Unless its your pregnancy its not your business.
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loopoo
Pro-choice, who has any right to tell anybody what do do with their body
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wistfulmaiden
I think abortion should be done for certain reasons but I personally wouldn't do it for convenience. Rape and babies who won't survive anyway... That's another issue. But I don't think people should use it for birth control cause they were lazy or careless.
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dirtybirdy
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Christabye
Wahoo first time posting.. Alright time to dive in!
Ive heard some say that killing a fetus is the same as killing a born person, and I've heard some say something along the lines of "it's just a fetus."
My question is for "pro-lifers" who believe that terminating a fetus is the same as terminating a birthed person. If the fetus is aborted in the very beginning of the pregnancy, say the day your pregnancy was confirmed after a missed period, do you still hold the same belief? And if so, do you feel the same about the plan B pill?
Is there really more to the fetus when it's that early? Seems like it's just a sperm inside a egg at that point. Perhaps I should look up the development stages of a child..Comment Hidden ( show )-
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NeofelisNebulosa
Plan B stops ovulation, and/or prevents joining of the gametes, and/or prevents implantation in the uterine wall. It depends on the stage of your cycle as well as how quickly you take it.
It is definitely not an "abortion pill." (I'm not saying you called it that; I've just heard people misunderstand Plan B before.)
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NeofelisNebulosa