My daughter wont stop lying

My daughter, who turns eighteen in June, moved in with us in February. She had lived a very sheltered life in her previous home, was not allowed to have a boyfriend, was told because of her low IQ (71) she would never learn to drive,and when she moved in had old, tatty clothes and shoes, old scruffy bedding, etc

In the ten weeks that she has lived with us, my husband and I have moved heaven and earth for her. We have let her boyfreind visit, provided transport for her to go and see him, bought her a car, given her driving lessons (she has grasped driving very quickly), we got her a queensize bed with nice new linen so her boyfriend can stay if they both want him to, got her put on the pill, (they were having sex prior to this, but in her previous home, they didnt want her to have sex, and they thought that by not putting her on the pill, that meant she would not be having sex- rediculous but true).We have also provided her with a partime job (school holidays and 1 day per week work experience), for which she gets paid. We have shown her a lot of love, and put a lot of trust in her, which she has never had before due to her being a thief and a liar. We thought her behaviour could be explained because of the environment that she was living in, and that it would change when she realised what a great life she could have with us. Sadly, she has proved us wrong. She came home stoned the other night, and she is still denying it. My husband and I are very street-wise, and can spot someone thats stoned from 50 paces.We explained that we were not going to yell and scream at her, but rather just wanted her to be honest, and that we needed her to do this so that we know she is safe. I spoke to her boyfriend, who informed me she is smoking cigarettes as well. I asked her about this, and, once again, she lied for hours on end. We tried to handle it in a humourous way, by wearing a cap each with idiot written accross it, and when she asked why we were wearing them, we told her it was because thats how she is treating us.... And still more lies. Eventually, she had no option but to admit that she does smoke, and that she has been stealing tobacco. I took her tobacco off her this morning, and then said she had a choice between smoking or having her car, as she cannot afford to do both. (I have been putting petrol in her car, too) And after all this, she lies, disrespects us, and steals from us. She took the tobacco back from me, so, at this stage it seems she would rather choose lung cancer etc over a car of her own.And if that is her choice, why should I ferry her around in MY car, costing ME more money? Any ideas on where to from here???

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  • szmagic

    She's 18 now tell her you would throw her out on the streets if she doesn't follow your rules

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  • stealinsugars

    I think you have handed her too much and given her too much freedom all at once. It may be time to take some of that away and let her earn it back as she earns your trust. She's going to hate it, but you have to be firm if you want to get the message through to her. I'm sorry to seem blunt, but since I'm typing on this dreadful phone I want to keep it short. I'll pick this back up when I get to the computer. In the mean time, please consider what I said.

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    • simba1

      Yeah, no probs. Look forward to hearing you again. For extra info, read my responses to other comments. Cheers

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  • Isn't 71 considered mentally retarded?

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    • Yes it is, or was, considered MR - though I don't think that is the label they use anymore. The point is this 17 year old girl is a child and is mentally handicapped. That should throw a very different light on what is actually going on.

      To be truthful, Simba, I think you and your husband need to get help with parenting, thats assuming you want her.

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    • simba1

      Is is on the borderline, but she is clever enough to have stolen a credit card, and knew how to use it, and, as I said in my story, she has learnt to drive with ease. If she put the same amount of energy into doing good things and improving herself as she does in to lying and being deceitful, then no doubt her IQ reading would be a lot higher

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  • You're a really good parent, I would het really pissed at her and give up on her.

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    • simba1

      Tempting, but I need to give her one more go. Thankyou

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  • Avant-Garde

    Consult a therapist. Preferably, a family one. There might be something deeper to this than appears on the surface.

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  • coreylon

    What do you mean your daughter who is almost 18 just moved in with you? Did you just adopt a 17 year old? Or it was just a long lost daughter that lived with her grandparents or something?
    You're giving her too many privileges. Take some of it away , until she has shown responsibility.

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    • jb95

      they adopted her

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  • this sounds very normal. i lie to my parents, even if i know they know something i've done. she could just be scared of admitting something to you and facing consequences or disappointing you or she might be ashamed of her actions and try to hide them or make herself feel better by lying.

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  • u fail as a parent then

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  • monkyyy

    you sound like ok parents but ur going to have to be much better just because of the 71 iq; my best advise as a 17 year old w/ a sightly higher iq but with some extra wonderful emotional issues; is trust, patience, love, respect, repeat;

    also now a days school is worthless besides that stupid piece of paper u get at the end and i would have a hard time justifying putting effort into it and getting emotional scars back, so if their are any problems there id look at the other options.

    she may also resent that you sent her to that place(i would, i wouldn't trust u in just 10 weeks, and then wouldn't trust ur judgement ever w/o somehow admitting u were wrong) you may want to ask how she feels about the place and if she (remotely) trusts doctors and fix any issues there

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  • jessicia16

    i think it will take a long time , several years for her to begin to come around ... 10 weeks is nothing .... make yourself a list of things never to do over that time .... never lable her has a bad thing for example... even if she is a thief, lier etc , it will not help your fight to tell her .. instead just always be a kind soft sholder ... and you will win the war even if you lost many battles along the way

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  • Try to see it from her poit of veiw. If this is hard to do, you need to understand her more.

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  • simba1

    I am so sorry to hear that. I definately dont have all the answers as a parent; far from it in fact. One thing I do know is that as soon as you yell and scream at your kids, they go conveniently deaf, and you lose all your power.Good, honest communication is the foundation of any relationship, whether it be with your kids/ parents/ employer or spouse. I hopw things work out well for you and your family.

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  • worriedbro

    I totally wish I had parent like you. I try doing everything perfect and my family is ungrateful. They always crave more and yell. Your daughter is sooooo lucky!

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  • simba1

    Thanks for your input. Yeah, sure thing, they can be a handful. Things have been better this week, thank God. Long may it continue.

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  • simba1

    Another update: Hannah tested positive for Marijuana, then said the test was inaccurate. We said to her that we would take her to the doctor for a blood test. If the test came back negative, we would sincerely apologise to her, but if it was positive, she would need to pay for the test and the GP fee herself.Her boyfreind also said that if the test was positive, he would need to seriously re-assess his relationship with her. She kept the lies going until I picked up the phone to make an appointment, and then said "Mum,I think we need to talk" . The matter has now been dealt with. She was grounded for a week, and had to fess up to everyone that she had lied to. We are hoping that she has learnt from this. Only time will tell.

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    • NopeNotNormal

      Good god, teenagers, right?? I have one of 'em myself who would rather lose a limb than be truthful..unless, of course, the truth would benefit her somehow. And you're right - despite Hannah's low iq, she IS being rather crafty and manipulative. All I can say is...SORRY. lol. I feel your pain on some level. Hey, maybe you should take up pot smoking? Just kidding ;) Hope things get better for you all.

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  • steph19913

    It's normal I'm 18 and I always lie it's something I'm really not proud of but it's normal

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  • mdy112

    OLLIEO, are u a parent, more so, one to a teen? If not, then please don't comment on something you may not understand or if you are, showing empathy puts things in perspective. Obviously this parent cares enough to ask for advice and truly wants her daughter to succeed, but not everyone has answers. It's not like we are given a "how to be a parent" handbook and boom, we are sick ass parents..nope, not that simple. As far as intellect goes, there are 2 forms to consider with this teen, book smart and street smart. This girl understands right from wrong, but doesn't comprehend consequence. She'll probably begin gaining more intellect while finding her nitch, something stimulating that encourages her to feel better about herself. Don't give up, this young lady will find her way, you're doing a great job thus far, just keep up the consistency. Your daughter keeps challenging you and she knows this, although it's not directed outward well right now, it shows she has drive, maybe she needs to be more challenged herself; not saying just with school, but she proves she's lacking the spirit that could redirect her angst.

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    • More than you'll ever know mdy.

      And maybe, when preaching listening & empathy, show some for a 17 year old developmentally handicapped child who has just moved from a sheltered home and has been in a completely new environment for mere months.

      My comments were unappreciated. Fine. But don't twist them.

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    • simba1

      Thankyou, mdy112. There is actually another update: Hannah has decided by herself that she wishes to leasve school, and come and work for us. No Coercion. I feel she may be starting to realise that we are wise enough to know what is best for her. The next few weeks are going to be very interesting for us all. I will keep you all posted. Once again, thanks

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  • grumpybarbie

    Simba1~ update us pls ??!!

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    • simba1

      Hi. Here is the update: We confronted Hannah on Sunday, after she told us she was going to youth group, and then caught the bus to her boyfriends instead, without letting us know. The only reason I found out where she was was because I went on facebook, and noticed she was online.This was after we already explained to her that she can go wherever she like as long as she informs us where she is, who shes with, and that she is safe. She changed her story three times as to her use of marijuana, first she said she has never smoked it, then she said she had tried it once, and then she said she used to smoke it heavily but doesnt anymore. She then rang her boyfriend and told him she was thinking of giving up smoking tobacco and smoking marijuana instead. Her boyfriend was so concerned, he rang and told me, so I have ordered a test kit which will arrive tomorrow to find out once and for all if she was stoned when we thought she was. We have also taken her car from her.This is for her own safety, as we will not allow her to drive under the influence of drugs. At this stage, we also dont feel she deserves a car, so, even if she is drug free, she will have to earn our trust to get it back. I went to her school today to check out the environment, as she told us that one of the kids there had, in the past, supplied her with dope. To my horror, when I walked into the classroom at 8:35 this morning,(class starts at 8:30),there was no sign of the teacher, and there were a group of 3 boys watching a video on the internet about smoking dope.I left the school in total disbelief, and spoke to my husband about it. We decided it was not a suitable environment for a kid with Hannahs problems. I then returned to the school, and explained to the director of the school my intentions, and my reasons for them. I must also point out that we were prepared to offer Hannah a full time job, that she would receive a normal wage for doing. I was informed by both the director and Hannahs teacher, that it was not my decision to make, and that it was up to Hannah if she continued at the school or not, as she is over 16. I swear the world has gone mad. She may be over 16, but she is still under 18. We have now told her (due to no other option),that it is up to her if she wishes to continue going to school, but if she does, we will no longer employ her at our carsales yard, where she has been working part-time for the past 3 months, and we will be selling her car. The reason for this is because she would be choosing to continue dealing with these thugs - something that we, as parents cannot condone. I also trust that OLLIEO will also take the time to read this, and if he or she still believes we are terrible parents, then there is not a lot else I can say. Look for ward to more of your input, GRUMPYBARBIE

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  • This is a young girl with borderline intelligence - that is, cognitively handicapped, so insight problem solving and learning are real challenges - who has had radical changes in family care, rules & levels of freedom and expectations. The behaviour problems are minor, and labeling her "thief" and "liar" harsh. Ten weeks is nothing. This child is overwhelmed. And I think you need to honestly ask if by turning her world upside down, as you have no matter how liberal and well intentioned, aren't you just setting her up for failure?

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  • mdy112

    She's doing these things to get attention she seem lacked from her prior home...being sheltered has nothing to do with attention, good or bad She probably doesn't know what "love" is, nor tough love, which she needs right now. she's 18 and smoking, alon no mandatory responsiblility to adhere to your rules; however, she IS under your roof giving you leverage on all house rules. This teen needs structure and discipline, but hard to enforce upon someone that's never had it. I wasn't the best teen either, so when I was out of line, they had to keep my boyfriend from coming over, took away my phone, TV...etc. Sometimes the only way to make your rules known, is to get her where it hurts most...remove items she has to earn back...she doesn't improve, take more away. She'll learn more respect for you and even herself when she's given positive reinforcement while following directions and begins hearing how well she's doing....hard to feel good about yourself if no one else does. Wish you luck!

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  • grumpybarbie

    Start taking things away, and making her lose privledges etc, reward honesty, punish lies. Teach her that it's about respect and consideration. Maybe you could try telling her a little white lie that's obvious, one that she knows is a lie, something she will call you on, and then when she keeps asking you about it keep denying it! Then when she's good and pissed, tell her that's exactly how she makes you feel when she lies!!!! It's a hard situation. Good luck :)

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    • simba1

      Thankyou, check out my other story "Is it normal to be angry at my daughter?". This will give you more background to it all. Once again, Thanks

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  • DianneMarieTurner

    I understand that you are trying to be loving and caring parents, and that is a very wonderful thing. But even the nicest of parents have to show some discipline. She has to learn that she can't just rule over everything. I'm not exclaiming that you have to yell and scream at her all the time, but somehow make her realize that she can't have everything. She is living in a different environment now and it may take some adjusting. But just try and don't allow all the changes to be given to her all at once. She will eventually have to buy her own house and lifestyle and she can't always be asking for everything, so sometimes you want to make her work for it - just don't pressure her. Let her make the decisions but add some roadblocks as well.

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    • simba1

      Oh how true. Changes for her are definately in the wings. (In a loving way, of course)Thankyou

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  • blueplane

    It sounds like you have given her too much, buying her love maybe.

    Instead of making fun with things like the hats, just talk to her. Don't only talk about negative stuff because that's all she'll associate your conversations with and then she'll never talk. Just try to converse with her on a daily basis, or spend time with her.

    You have control over her because you have given her everything that she has. You should remind her of this, but not in an angry, mean way, just in a show some respect way. If none of this works, threaten to take stuff from her.

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    • simba1

      Thankyou. I definately hear what you are saying

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  • Laena

    Have you been fir family counseling or considered it? Also, have you tried putting her in your shoes by telling her a small, non-harmful lie to get your point across that it's not nice to be lied to?

    Also, what was her previous living arrangement?

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    • simba1

      Hi and thankyou for your input. If you would like to get more of an idea about what her history is, please check out my other story - "is it normal to be angry at my daughter".
      yes, did parenting courses, and my daughter has been to extensive counselling over the years. She has been labelled as a pathological liar. I had a meeting with her boyfriend tonight who is also struggling to cope with her behaviour, and we both just found out she was trying to get pregnant to him by lying. Neither of us knew this until tonight. I am trying to be there for both of them, but he is devastated.

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  • randomjelly

    Well being eighteen it is legal for her to smoke so if she refuses to give it up I would definitely stop footing the bill! She needs more responsibility!!

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    • simba1

      How true. Thankyou for your ideas. Very much appreciated

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  • bgagymnast22

    Just tell her about how she will grow up a tolerence need more get meth and then have meth face. Show her some of those pictures my son stopped after i told him

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  • 123hey

    I cant believe how you ate just handing her everything she wants she is walking all over you

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