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One person is racist and dislikes black people, the other person is Christian and hates Muslims. The Christian person thinks the racist is wrong to hate all black people, and they think they are correct in hating Muslims (because religion 'backs them up').
| I agree with the Christian. | 16 | |
| I disagree with the Christian. | 43 | |
| I'd prefer to just comment!! | 19 |
Both are stereotyping a whole group of people based on the actions of some members of that group. They are both equally wrong because the reasoning behind the hate is equally meaningless.
You are incorrect in that. The Christian hating Muslims comes from the issues with the Bible and Qu'ran.
I can't explain the entirety of it, but the Qu'ran was written centuries after the Bible and 'takes' from the Bible in a way that isn't acceptable (agreeable) to Christianity.
It has nothing to do with terrorism, 9/11 baloney or anything like that.
So, your last statement is what I wanted to delve deeper into..."They are both equally wrong because the reasoning behind the hate is equally meaningless." Is this really so?
It sounds like you disagree and so believe there is reasoning for this hate and that it has a meaningful basis. I wish you would have explained more because it's not something I know much about and it would be interesting to hear about it from people who know.
I would say that a book written over a thousand years ago is less grounds for hate than something which happened in all our lifetimes. Petty hate over who's book was first is much more foolish.
Of course, all hate between religious people is contrary to the meaning of their religions.
What, and the bible doesn't borrow from religious tales before it?
Regardless, this person is still judging an entire group of people based on the fact that their ancestors' writings may or may not have similarities to the bible, and that is still mindless and misinformed.
If this person were to say that they took issue with the content of the Qur'an for borrowing from bible, that'd be fine by me. But you specifically said this person "hates Muslims". So no, they are not "correct" in their hatred.
One of the main issues has to do with ancestry, so it's not as simple as just having similarities.
It doesn't make any more 'right'. You are hating all Muslims just because their ancestors may have taken things from the Bible. It doesn't mean it is acceptable to hate all Muslims, when everyone who may have done that is dead, and these specific people didn't do anything wrong. It would be like hating you because your great great great great great great grandfather was a thief. Sounds like a stupid thing to do? Because it is.
Well, you seem to have decided on your answer already, so I guess there's not really any point in responding further.
Actually, it's not about MY position. I'm asking what others think about it, provided the views are informed. I'd love to hear comments from people on the subject. Is it possible to justify hate? In order to answer, you'd have to look at the reasoning, and think about your level of respect for other's religion.
If you are truly religious, you shouldn't hate any living being regardless of skin color or religion.
Hate is a strong word. The way I see it is that as long as neither person acts on their hatred (ie: bashes black people or muslims, or actively does anything at all like that) then it doesn't matter. People are always going to have their beliefs. This is something that cannot be changed as long as the person does not want to change.
But to me, I've always thought that people hating others just because of their skin color is worse than religious differences.
It is never ok to use religion as a reason to hate. This very argument, that 'religion backs me up' is the reason so many awful things have been allowed to continue- homophobia, child abuse in churches etc. Tell both people they need to grow up and start releasing their hate.
I think hating Muslims is a little less wrong, because at least you're ripping on an ideology, rather than hating on someone based on something that they have absolutely no control of. That being said discriminating on Muslims is still really bad and unfair, because not all Muslims are the same.
So I think being "religionist" if you will is not quite as bad as racism because it does say something about the individual, but its still wrong.
I'm Christian and I don't hate Muslims. Where do u get ur info? Then again, if ur American I can see where ur coming from.
Why are you commenting to almost everybodys comment WTF is that? Christians hating Muslims? Most likely the Christian would hate the Muslim for being intolerant of Christians and "HATING" other religions. So no the Christians reason is not reasonable. Your comment?
Because most people are just spewing 'hate is wrong' without looking at the real issues. Yeah, most people think outright hate is wrong, but this issue is beyond outright hate, it's a centuries old, and faith-fact-based hate. Why do you think there is so much conflict in the Mid East?? It's nothing new, and it's nothing petty.
I figured there would be many uninformed comments. I'm NOT asking if anyone thinks it's OK to hate anyone. What I AM asking is, about the reasoning behind it. Can it be considered to be valid. Can one be more right than the other based on facts of the faith. Not interpretations, not insignificant historical issues. Actual facts of faiths.
Understand, the facts are that to be a Muslim, one HAS to believe certain things. Just like you can't be a Christian without believing in Christ, one can't be a Muslim without believing certain things which directly conflict with Christianity. So, ALL Muslims believe in these conflicting issues. There's no 2 ways about it, you can't be a Muslim and NOT believe in these conflicting issues. So ALL Muslims believe these things, it's not like judging a race based on the actions of some, such as judging balcks based on crime as not every black person is a criminal. Do you understand?
If you look into reasons behind the conflicts between Jews, Christians and Muslims....or just look at historic and current events in the Middle East, you may be more aware of what these issues are. They are serious issues dealing with facts of faith, not petty things. Obviously, to create so much turmoil, these are not petty issues.
So what you're saying is that those who follow Islam are bound by beliefs that must be held by all, yes? Ok. So one could fairly assume that this applies to all religions, one would assume. Which would include Christianity.
So those who consider themselves Christians are bound by beliefs that must be held by them in order to be considered Christian. Ok.
Ahem. And I quote:
Romans 12:14-16
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and curse not. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16 Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind, but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation.
"Those who persecute" would be non Christians. Don't know about your vocab, but in mine, bless =/= hate. WIshing for good to come to someone kinda negates a hateful attitude.
Matthew 5:43-46
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they?
That's Jesus telling his followers to love those who are against him and them.
Romans 12:17-21
17 Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men. 18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. 19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 “But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
RESPECT. BE AT PEACE. ...kinda not hate, don't you think? Yeah there's the whole wrath of God stuff...but they're saying leave that to God, it's not the business of humans.
Oh and the scripture quoted within that one:
Proverbs 25:21-22
If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat, and if he is thisrty, give him water to drink, for you will heap burning coals upon his head and the Lord will reward you.
It's saying show love to all, not in order to bring them suffering. The meaning meant to be taken from it is the usual Christian belief that being good and showing love to others when treated poorly is to show them righteousness, that they may (it is hoped) be humbled by the experience and be drawn to discover what makes the Christian act in such a way.
So you could really argue that, if anything, the Christian is worse. The racist is a prick for believing skin colour is a basis for hating a group of people, more than likely through ignorance.
The Christian should know better than to hate a group of people for their beliefs, based on the fact that their God tells them not to. The Christian in your scenario can't whinge about Muslims 'taking inappropriately' from the Bible if they're gonna then pervert the words of same. The Christian is also a prick, and should know better as has been specifically told.
In closing...what dom180, taciturn, gena45, emerald, and everyone else has said...but with verses from the book that Christians are meant to hold as wisdom from their God.
The hate has a reason, but in my opinion I really think that reason is beyond stupid.
I don't know much about this, so I'll have to ask, but is it the Bible that tells you to hate Muslims?
Both can try to justify what they are doing, but at the end of the day they are still both hating a huge group of people. Which is wrong in itself, but in the name of religion? Why can't people just respect others' beliefs?