Is my ex-boyfriend gay?

My best guy friend might be gay, but he says he's not. I'm a girl, by the way, and I've had a relationship with him in the past.

These are the things that make me wonder:

- He's obsessed with how he dresses and his appearance. Like color coordination and style.
- He is a little demanding when it comes to one-on-one attention and liked it when I cuddle him.
- He doesn't like beer, sports, or vehicles. Not at all.
- He likes being around women more than other men.
- He giggles like a little girl and crosses his legs at the thigh.
- His hobbies are bird watching and gardening.
- He has an extensive romantic comedy collection.
- He's obsessed with decorating his house.
- A few gay friends have lost his friendship because they were convinced he was gay too (they didn't come onto him, just voiced their opinions).

Things that he does, that make him seem straight:

- He loves boobs and watches straight porn.
- He can easily cum with hetero sex.
- He is obsessed with sharks.
- He dresses like a normal guy.
- He says he is straight.
- He hates anal (giving) and isn't a fan of doggy-style sex.

Do you think he could be gay?

Yes, he sounds gay to me. 19
He probably is, but not aware of it himself. 14
It's possible, but I doubt it if he is truly homosexual. 10
He could be a bit of both. 17
He could be mostly straight, but have homosexual tendancies. 23
He's straight. Some straight guys are really feminine. 66
He sounds like a normal heterosexual male. 14
Other. 6
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Comments ( 44 )
  • BoredGuy

    "- He hates anal (giving) and isn't a fan of doggy-style sex. "

    He is gay or lame or both.

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  • taciturn

    I'd comment but I have nothing else to add. Everyone else said it all.

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    • Maybe if you re-read it without the negative judgement that everyone else did, you'd have something constructive to add.

      But thanks for trying. :/

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      • taciturn

        I just want to reiterate that I don't agree with any insults made here, whether I saw them or not. I didn't feel like I made that clear in the first comment. I don't think you meant to be offensive in your original post.

        I think what may have irritated people is the fact that you made a list of attributes that supposedly point to possibly being gay. Not only does that support gay stereotypes, but to me only one of those points is actually important - what he tells you about his own sexuality. Like I said in my other comment, that's the only thing that matters. He's your friend, so trust what he tells you and don't scrutinize him behind his back with friends. And if he's lying, let him tell you the truth on his terms instead of finding out through detective work - after all, it's his sexuality. Let him deal with it at his own pace.

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      • taciturn

        Maybe if you re-read the comments without including the negative judgments you'd understand that they're actually making good points. Though keep in mind that some of the more hurtful comments could have been posted after me, and there were a couple I only skimmed. I don't think you're a bad person for wondering this, but I think the question itself is immaterial and based on faulty premises. So please don't patronize, because you aren't helping your case.

        Bottom line for me: he told you he's straight. There's no real reason to assume he's lying, but if he is then that means he doesn't want you to know and it isn't really your business.

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  • Gelmurag

    Ok, those are totally superficial reasons to call him gay. What a person does or doesn't does not make one gay. What makes one gay, is openly admitting to oneself one is gay.

    A gay relationship doesn't just include gay sex. A gay relationship is like a normal relationship. Flowers, cuddling, movies, spending time together, everything a hetero couple does. So if your ex is not actively going on dates with a guy, he's not gay.

    You've probably never heard of this term, so I'll clue you in. "Metrosexual" They are straight men, that are obsessed with the stereotypical gay habits. Most get manicures, spa treatments, along with all that stuff you listed above.

    It honestly sounds like your being judgmental, and more than likely because he's an ex and your doing the typical girl thing of hating him. But being nice to his face. I think the other word for it is bitch. Don't like it when people judge you? K, stop doing it to him.

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    • Nice. You are doing exactly what you are accusing me of.

      I never called him "gay". And I don't "hate" him. I didn't state anything like this, you made it up all on your own.

      I was only wondering if maybe he was and maybe I do a bad job of picking boyfriends because I go mostly for personality and ignore the other stuff.

      But thanks for the severe judgement.

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      • Gelmurag

        "Is my ex-boyfriend gay?" - That is indeed you calling him gay. Yes, I did make up the hateful part to prove a point.

        "Nice. You are doing exactly what you are accusing me of." And "But thanks for the severe judgement." - Was answered, along with the above "hate" comment with, " Don't like it when people judge you? K, stop doing it to him." The point was not to judge people lest ye yourself be judged. Who you are as a person doesn't really matter to me. Suspecting "calling" your ex gay can be construed under many different interpretations. Maybe your spiteful. Maybe your sweet but confused. Maybe your an old guy getting off on trolling. Whatever. You didn't like it when I did it to you, so hopefully the lesson has been learned.

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        • I don't buy it. I don't think you called me a "bitch" to prove a point. I think you are making that up a convenient excuse because you realized that you were being a jerk and I called you on it.

          I love him. I wonder if he is gay despite telling me he's not. I don't see anything wrong with wondering, nothing at all. He wants me back and I think that this is something that I should consider.

          I made the mistake of thinking people on this site were kind, so I asked this question, a question that has been on my mind for some time.

          I'm not homophobic. I have many gay and lesbian friends. They all think he's gay, so it makes me wonder if he really is. I wanted to see what people here thought.

          Holy shit! I didn't realize that the ignorant comments of a few would taint the entire thread. I am so disappointed in peoples negative reactions. Where have all the good people on this site gone?

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          • Gelmurag

            If I was being a jerk I would have to meet you. 94% of my friends are girls, and I know the power of calling one a bitch. After the first time and subsequent blood loss I had, I don't make a habit of it.

            I said you were doing what a bitch does. Nice to his face but spiteful behind his back. Your contorting my answers into your little fantasy world, where you aren't the one who is making a mistake. A few years ago there was a movie about this, "Mean Girls." That of course spawned another word called "Frenemy." I do not know you well enough to make a judgement call of wether you are indeed a bitch or not. Or psychopath. Or bipolar. Or shizoid. Or normal. Or a doctor. Or a sheep. Or perhaps some sort of flightless bird like a Kiwi.

            If you love him, why does it matter in the first place if he has "gay" or "feminine" tendencies? The first rule of love is accepting the person for whatever they are. If you truly love someone all of that trivial stuff doesn't matter. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that disagrees with that.

            People are animalistic and cruel. Human nature is not kind. A tip for the future - Never assume anyone is nice. Almost any history book...ever written...would agree with this.

            I never said you were homophobic. So now your putting words into my mouth.

            Negative reactions are what makes us grow stronger in the long run. You are at the point where you only want to see what you want to see. Hear what you want to hear. Putting this in public is opening yourself up to reactions, including negative ones. If you only wanted positive comments, you should have asked for only positive comments.

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  • dom180

    My comment got deleted, despite it being reasonable, non-aggressive and no different to most of the other comments. Oh well. What I basically said was "he probably isn't gay".

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    • Gelmurag

      I support you!

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  • thecoldhardtruth

    Being a gay man means enjoying and wanted to have sex with men. If he doesn't do this and openly says,"I'm not gay". You shouldn't make assumptions based on his hobbies. Not every man has to be a dirty swearing masculine bear fighter.

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    • I know.

      It's just that my gay friends (yes, I have several of them) say things like: "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck"

      He wants me back, but I'm not sure. Because if he is gay, even if he hasn't admitted it to himself yet, then I don't think that I should let myself fall for him again.

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      • thecoldhardtruth

        In my experience with gay men, they usually dont want to touch/cuddle or be close to women sexually. I mean, if he really is your friend, and says he isn't gay, dont you think it's a little irritating for people to constantly drill him about being gay? What if all your friends started saying your a lesbian? It's just sad because he probably just wants to be himself , hopefully he won't change himself because of these gay comments.

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  • Ihadtomakeyetanotheraccountffs

    He seems like a 1 on the Kinsey scale, I doubt any more than that. Also the stuff you listed seems pretty stereotypical, all men are different... I don't have any interest in sports or vehicles, I too have some of the (lack of) interests he does, but I identify as straight.

    However, I don't see what it really matters anyway.

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    • Thanks for not jumping to conclusions about my motives like everyone else has seemed to.

      Those are just a few of the behaviors that I noticed that fall withing the stereotypical gay/straight terms. He does get man-crushes a lot more than any other guy I've ever known and never has girl-crushes. I think that's sort of strange too, but I didn't put it down.

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      • Angel_in_a_Glass_Dress

        "everyone else"

        That's a bit strong since I know I personally said nothing about your motives. I only talked about your misconceptions on what makes a man gay and talked about the hollywood stereotypes

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        • Gelmurag

          Yeah I'm reading her responses. She's kinda freaking out a little bit when people don't agree with her.

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          • You called me a "bitch".

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        • Ya, I thought this would be a discussion.

          I can't believe some of the hurtful things that people have said about me. I've deleted most of them.

          I'm so upset. I've been crying over this for most of the day. People here can be very cruel.

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          • Angel_in_a_Glass_Dress

            I disagree with you there.

            I am FULLY against the practice of deleting comments. mainly because I've seen people who always delete any comment that disagrees with the OP's position.

            i'm not saying you've done that but... I am against deleting posts.
            i personally feel only the admins should do that

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            • taciturn

              Me too. I don't understand why that feature even exists - if something is truly offensive, it should be reported and dealt with.

              I have a tendency to make polls on controversial topics, so I've had people outright insult me personally. I never delete them. The people who are smart and mature enough to have a real conversation will do so, and everyone else can stew in their own anger and red down-thumbs.

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  • LOL being obsessed with sharks makes you straight?

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  • Angel_in_a_Glass_Dress

    What makes a man gay - sex with other men only.

    Sports, dressing... all just hollywood stereotypes.

    Gay men CAN be macho. there's no rule that says they have to turn into simpering girls just because they like cock

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    • Then are gay men who haven't come out yet, are they still gay?

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      • Angel_in_a_Glass_Dress

        "coming out" is different than "having sex"

        if a man has sex with only men but hasn't yet told his family he's still gay.

        however choice does play a part in this.
        if a man choses to not have sex with men then should we still call him gay for fitting stereotypes?

        A good example I have... I so wish I knew where to find this too, was an article I had to write about back in my human sexuality class in college. I picked 3 articles really, the last one being a whim because "hot leather on a saturday night" sounded unusual.

        It turned about to be an article a man wrote about his trip to a gay bar.

        Unlike the swishy-gay that the media portrays, this bar was "rough men only". No drag queens, no fancy loafers... men in jeans, boots, and chains.

        In a way it's proof that "gay" and "effeminate" don't always go hand-in-hand. Sometimes gay men are the typical "man's man" and enjoy all things masculine

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        • So a man is not gay until he has sex with another man. What about virgins? I'm so confused about all this.

          Another gay friend of mine (a self-professed gay man) said that he had sex with women for years before he had his first sexual encounter with a man.

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          • -WhySoSerious-

            If a man is attracted to other men, then he is gay. The way a man walks or sits, does not determine his sexual orientation.

            Even though a lot of gay men act girly sometimes, that is not what made them gay. What made them gay is the moment they looked at a man and said "gosh I'm attracted to him."

            So, if a gay man hasn't come out, it doesn't make him less gay that the other gay men who came out.

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            • "So, if a gay man hasn't come out, it doesn't make him less gay that the other gay men who came out."

              That's what I was wondering about.

              I just have a feeling (we were living together for two years, I know him) that he is attracted to guys.

              The things that I listed were the some of the typical things that other people who know him have brought up to me, so it got me wondering. I thought that other people would relate to those examples. I didn't expect I would be called names and accused of being a homophobe. [I've deleted the more ignorant comments, that's why you don't see them. but i did]

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  • -WhySoSerious-

    I don't think if a guy is interested in the same things that girls are interested in makes a guy be into guys and not girls.

    What kind of sense is that? Being gay does not mean being girly, (although a lot of gay guys act girly)

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    • He acts very girly at times. But no, I don't think that automatically makes someone gay. I wondered if the combination of all these things might be an indicator if he is or not. I need to know because I don't want to rekindle a relationship with him if I'm not really his type and he'll end up dumping me because I'm not the right gender for him.

      I've told him this before. He's not offended by my curiousity.

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      • -WhySoSerious-

        Then he's not gay.

        It seems like you actually want him to be gay...

        Drop it, he told you he's not, and he likes women, why push it?

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        • Because he wants me back and I'm worried.

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  • GerardWay

    bisexual?

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  • eats,shoots_and_leaves

    not gay

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  • theaverageatheist

    I it weird if you have just described my brother??? o.O exeped not loving cars, he loves cars. every thing else it to the tea.

    your friend doesen't
    sound gay btw.

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    • eats,shoots_and_leaves

      is it ok if i ask him out???

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      • theaverageatheist

        no. your a creepy panda

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  • Monogamy_Sucks

    If u feel that hes gay hun,then trust ur instincts.Just keep him as a friend,u cant start a relationship when u have these thoughts in ur head

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  • bleach_baby

    He couldn't possibly be gay! Gay gays fucking hate sharks

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  • seabird_71

    Effeminate? Metrosexual? Possibly.

    Gay? There aren't enough clues to deduce that he is gay. Him saying that he isn't should be a big indication that he is straight. No matter what though, if he's happy, then all is well.

    Have a nice day! :)

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    • Thanks.

      I think it's more of a gut feeling, really.

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