Is magic mike sexist towards men?

Trust me, had the film featured female rather than male strippers, there would almost certainly be a main-stream backlash against its "disgusting" objectification and denigration of women.

The question is whether women ogling men is just as sexist as men ogling women?

Some might be quick to point out that women have the "right" to ogle men (finally!) as some sort of payback for hundreds (thousands?) of years of male-dominated objectification of women in art and entertainment, not to mention real life. But is this tit-for-tat vindictive reverse-sexism really the sort women (and feminists) want to perpetuate?

Yes, it's sexist. 4
It's sexist but it's entertainment so shouldn't be taken seriously 17
It's not sexist 15
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  • westoptic

    It's not sexist. Male strippers choose that career, and they want to use their bodies to make money so they work out to maintain a conventionally attractive, physically fit body. It is bodily autonomy and they're free to choose that career path. Same goes for women.

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    • yeah well put I tend to agree.

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  • deshikd

    Misandry isn't real... Honestly, Females are made into objects constantly for years and and years, and you're whining about one movie? It doesn't even show the men as objects, the movie is about them, it doesn't revolve around women and put the male strippers off to the side as objects. It's just a movie about hot guys dancing, lol.

    ""As Heldman writes, ‘Beyond the foundational theme of male control, many (but not all) of the simulated sex acts the dancers perform in their interactions with female audience members service the male stripper’s pleasure, not hers.’

    The dancers shove their crotches at women, in their faces, against their arses, into their hands. They kiss the women, they touch the women, they hoist them over their shoulder as if about to go ravage them. At no point did I feel like any of the male strippers were objects, at the mercy of their female audience.""

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    • "Misandry isn't real."
      Seriously? So hating men doesn't exist simply because hating women exists? That's some sexist mental gymnastics you've had to do to try and rationalize your tolerance for sexism against men.

      "Females are made in to objects constantly."
      Get back to me when your sex has been forced in to being objects of war by the government in which they had to fight, kill, and die as objects of war...Just sayin'.

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      • deshikd

        Not very fair to bring up war as an argument, since it's men's fault that only men used to go off to war. Do you think it was women that decided they were weak and wanted to stay home? No...

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        • Just because some men enforced it on men in general does not make it an unfair point. It still illustrates that men have been objectified in the worst way imaginable regardless of who made it so.
          Also, men can still be drafted, it's still something that can happen.

          Also, a lot of women opposed the idea of being able to vote because they assumed they would also be given societal obligations like men did if they got the ability to vote, such as being drafted. So yes, a lot of them did.

          There's also the part about how although some groups may be opposed to women not being given the "choice" to be in combat positions, those groups, such as feminism, is not fighting to make women obligated to sign up to the selective services like men have to.

          And to push it a little further, I could say the same to yourself given that it's usually women that produce content of models and so on, such as women's magazines. Would that make it unfair because women also do it?

          Overall, it's irrelevent. The point still stands that men have been objectified by being turned in to objects of war.

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          • wigz

            Rostker v. Goldberg

            "In the majority opinion, Justice William Rehnquist wrote "[t]he existence of the combat restrictions clearly indicates the basis for Congress' decision to exempt women from registration. The purpose of registration was to prepare for a draft of combat troops. Since women are excluded from combat, Congress concluded that they would not be needed in the event of a draft, and therefore decided not to register them." Implicit in the obiter dicta of the ruling was to hold valid the statutory restrictions on gender discrimination in assigning combat roles. Men and women, because of the combat restrictions on women, are simply not similarly situated for purposes of a draft or registration for a draft therefore, there is no violation of the Due Process Clause."

            ""Our country has never drafted women, ever," said Lewis C. Brodsky, director of public and congressional affairs for the Selective Service. "The president asked that it [requiring women to register] be looked at about a year and a half ago. They [Department of Defense] looked at it and say they've reached no conclusion.

            "Certainly the role of women is changing in the military. We may have to look at it more as the role of women continues to evolve," he said. "But right now, they feel that volunteers are all that are needed, in terms of women."

            Brodsky said women aren't being considered for a draft because, historically, the draft was used to fill combat units. "Ninety-seven percent of all draftees went to the Army from 1948 to 1973, when the draft ended," he said.

            With the current combat-exclusion laws covering women service members, they are precluded from being drafted for these units. Congress would have to change the law to require women to register and be drafted, Brodsky said.

            An estimated 94 percent of the 18- to 25-year-old men in the United States have registered for the draft. Congress reinstated the registration requirement in 1980, after a seven-year lull. Men are required by law to register with the Selective Service System upon reaching their 18th birthday.

            "However, if we had to draft health-care professionals -- doctors, nurses, medical technicians -- there's a very strong likelihood, with the numbers DoD would require in such a draft, a skill-specific draft, women ... could be considered because so many women are doctors, nurses and medical technicians," Brodsky said.

            The huge feminist organization N.O.W. opposes any conscription but says if it's going to happen then women should be drafted too. They have testified to this before Congress.

            The Servicewomen's Action Network has done a lot in favor of getting women in all areas of the military.

            The SPLC women's chapter aided legally in a lawsuit asking for equality under a draft.

            Until women are integrated fully in the military an equitable draft cannot happen. Those fighting for full female participation in the armed forces first and foremost are doing it right.

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            • wigz

              *ACLU, not SPLC. Derp

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          • westoptic

            Men were turned into objects of war by other men. Women were never drafted because men enforced patriarchal views that women are weak and wouldn't be able to fight/they'd distract the men, and that men are strong and superior and are the default for soldiers. Men also started all of the wars that they forced other men to fight in.

            To be fair, no one, regardless of gender, should ever be forced or drafted into war without their consent. But once more, it was men that made this rule, not women. Men didn't want to give women the right to vote (men should have never been in the position to give and take rights from people as they see fit) because they didn't believe women were logical/mature, and because they knew women wouldn't support the archaic laws and restrictions on society that men had put into place over the course of time.

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            • "Men were turned in to objects of war by other men."
              - This does not change that men were still turned in to objects of war. A small group of people being the same sex as the people they are doing such a thing to does not discredit that the men it happened to were turned in to objects of war.

              - Women also sell products of female models in them, so I could use the same logic if I were to accept that such a thing is objectification like I assume you do.

              - If we are to also follow that what I assume you believe to be objectification (such as sexual magazines) is objectification then that doesn't change that women choose to use their bodies for such things, it is not enforced on to women but done by their own choice, therefor it is other WOMEN objectifying women with the use of their own bodies, therefor I could use the same rebuttal you used of "they are objectified by other men".

              - As implied above, women choose to model in sexual ways that you view as objectifying women and men were and still can be forced in to being objects, which sets the two to be completely different.

              Your view of patriarchy is a bit off in my opinion. You say that women weren't allowed to be drafted because they were weak, etc, etc. However in times of drafting it's moreso a numbers game. If what you said is true then why were women simply not used as cannon fodder for male soldiers to be able to live more at the expense of the assumed lesser beings (women)?

              You also said that it would distract male soldiers. If that was the case then why would they not use that to their advantage against the enemy?

              Despite the above, if that was the case then why were women not drafted in other ways that were beneficial where women had been working, such as nurses and so on, obviously to assist and be helping hands and help with other means?

              I don't believe any of those reasons to be the case, though. If history shows anything it has shown that women's lives were held to be more valuable, be it due to having a womb or so on. This is why in cases like the titanic that women would go first, even before the elderly and even in cases like in the past when men were obligated, not women, to assist in preventing criminal activity when it occured.

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  • snarkygirl

    No it's meant to be sort of funny. Male strippers don't appeal to me at all, men who strut around showing their junk make me wanna puke. I like modesty and I if he doesn't know how sexy he is!

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  • NeofelisNebulosa

    I don't think it's sexist. It's just portraying make stripping and it's certainly not doing it in a negative light. And yeah, we have seen quite a few female strippers in movies and shows, whether they're essential to rhe plot or they're just eye candy for the background. At least the men the movie are portrayed in a positive light. The women practically worship them like gods.

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    • thanks for your opinion :)

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  • Fall_leaves

    It objectifies men so yeah it's sexist. Personally I have no desire to watch it but I'm also not into hairless male strippers.

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    • shuggy-chan

      Soooo you like overdressed, fuzzy females

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      • Crusades|

        She only enjoys seeing me stripping.

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        • shuggy-chan

          You are a female wookie!?

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  • seekelp

    Probably

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  • Catch-a-ride

    Wow, I just realised, nobody cares!

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  • It's not sexist. There is a double standards in the lack of outrage though. If this was a female stripper movie there would be no doubt a backlash from certain groups, like they are doing with other forms of entertainment but they aren't doing so when it happens to males, so that is the only sexism I would see from this, the lack of outrage.

    That said, I don't think anything like this deserves outrage. Strippers exist, male and female. It's retarded when people scream objectification of women doing something like stripping and it's retarded when people say the same when it happens to men.

    Some people will say "Objectification" but what's annoying is that most people using that damn phrase don't seem to even understand what it means. The men and women in these movies CHOOSE to act in those roles. No, representing one aspect of yourself alone is not objectification, such as physical attraction. If it's objectification to be a performer then the mere idea of acting is objectification, and so on and so forth.

    So overall, no. It's not sexist when women are in such movies and it's not sexism when men are in such movies. The only sexism that could perhaps be seen is the outrage over women being treated in such a way met with the lack of outrage of men being treated in that way.

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    • deshikd

      The men in this movie are in control an the movie focuses on them as usual. That's why this movie is not sexist or objectifying and other movies about females are.

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      • How are female performers not "in control" when they are stripping? Just because it doesn't elaborate on it doesn't mean that they're forced in to it and the standard would be that they chose to be in that position, same goes for the actors choosing that role.

        Are you saying objects can't be focused on when you say the movie focuses on them as a point to say it isn't objectification?

        The difference is that this movie explores the men in this life style, as some movies have done to female strippers. By this logic if a scene takes place in a cinema in a movie then the actors in the movie they watch are being objectified, or that if there are builders that are building then they are being objectified if they're not given a back story.

        Also, how is it that when the movie is about male strippers it's not sexism but when you say "and other movies about females are", you are implying when the movie is about the female strippers, like the male strippers in movies, that it's sexism? That in itself is showing you're holding a double standard here purely on sex, which would imply your view here is sexist...

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        • deshikd

          I'm talking about the characters. I mean in cases where women are in these positions to be objectified, as in their role in the movie is not central or needed. Which is why Magic Mike is okay, then men are the main focus, they are actual characters, not just something to look at. They are being taken seriously as the human beings they are.

          Plus the question on whether or not something is sexist doesn't just pertain to the characters in the material, it also depends on who made it and who they made it for. You should research this issues further.

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          • But that's the case with every background character or group of characters, to just be something to look at, as I said with my builders example.

            How does it depend on who it is made for and who it isn't? Let's say that material is made for men and it has women in the background of a scene stripping. I assume you would view that as sexism, but why is that sexism? Being attracted to the opposite sex wouldn't be sexism and showing "some" of the opposite in a certain aspect (physical attraction) does not make it objectification, it's just showing a single aspect of them.

            This is why I say that most people that like using the term, "objectification" don't seem to understand what it means. They seem to think that showing a woman in a sexual position makes her objectified rather than the woman being viewed as a "person" in a sexual position. Single aspects/traits of people that are signled out for entertainment or some other purpose is not implying that it's the only thing that person has or is good for.

            I've been talking about these issues for a long time. I don't appreciate the condescension within that last statement, especially given that you seem to have avoided some of my main points I made and then made such a comment to imply I don't know what I'm talking about.

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