Is it normal to want criminal punishment be more draconian?

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I support the death penalty. I support expanding and streamlining the process. I also feel things like forced labor, sterilization, medical experimentation, torture, brainwashing, and indoctrination are perfectly logical and absolutely necessary for the improvement of the penal system and the protection of the lawful citizenry.

I realize that it is a stigma in modern, western society to efficiently execute criminals and put non capital offenders into forced labor camps, but seeing the horrifying state of today's penal system can one really condemn methods that ACTUALLY WORK?

Okay, I understand the concept of human rights, granted, but... can one really consider a killer or child molester a human being? I cannot. Such a person has traded their humanity away, and thus is deserving of neither pity nor mercy.

I think it's stupid to pay thousands for a lethal injection when the same problem can be solved with a 12 cent bullet. I think that life in prison is just a more expensive death sentence. I think it's utterly moronic to pay for a prison that does nothing but train better criminals.

Is it normal to wish for a more efficient, profitable, and draconian system that effectively punishes and deters crime?

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  • BugzBunnae
    14 years ago

    O_O thats rather scary.
    All I got to say is...MOST OF THE TIME...well no all
    Everyone deserves a second chance, EVERYONE
    and you are saying all this about wishing to better the death penalty
    until you get a death sentence yourself..

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  • howaminotmyself
    13 years ago

    I don't agree with the death penalty but I do support labor camps.

    You walk a fine line when you allow the government to decide who lives or dies. A man who kills the man who raped his wife is still a murderer. However justified he is in doing so, he does not deserve the death penalty for this. How can we allow our government to decide what type of murder is just. Not every issue is so black and white. They never are.

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  • Pekingesia
    13 years ago

    Innocent people get wrongly convicted, you know. And some people make mistakes, but later change for the better.

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  • randomjelly
    13 years ago

    Do a little research and you will learn that it is actually more expensive to kill someone than sentence them to life.

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    • 1000yrVampireKing
      11 years ago

      It is only expensive because of how the system works. You act like it has to be this expensive to kill people.

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  • neopythagorean
    14 years ago

    1. People are wrongly convicted every day.
    2. People are being held captive in prison for breaking laws that don't protect anyone.
    3. Racism, sexism and religious fanaticism all contribute to who gets convicted of crimes in this country.

    When I was a child, I thought the same as you. But now, I can see that this is a MUCH more complex issue. I would assume that you are young (perhaps very young) and don't really understand that, for many people, crime is perceived to be the only way to survive. In areas where poverty is widespread (such as pretty much everywhere in the USA), young people feel that they must turn to illegal activities to support themselves. These poor people are the bulk of the current incarcerated population--and unfortunately they are disproportionately PEOPLE OF COLOR. This is incredibly unfair since the conditions that these human beings were brought up in were not exactly conducive to following the law. I have been to inner city areas where I literally had to ask the question, "If these people could feel good for just 5 minutes, then WHY WOULDN'T THEY????" Most people in prisons are there for drug offenses. So I ask you, if someone in the ghetto could feel good for five minutes while smoking crack, then why wouldn't they? Do they deserve prison (or your cruel idea of forced labor camps) just for trying to find relief? No. I don't think so.

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    • Sturmführer
      13 years ago

      1 Wrongly convicted people still suffer at the hands of the current western justice system. They are thrown into overcrowded prisons, are raped, and mistreated. If the injustice is discovered it is impossible to calculate just compensation as the degree of their suffering cannot be accurately measured by the inefficient system that allows such barbarism to take place. Modern sciences are advancing and the likelihood of wrongly convicting someone is growing ever slimmer. Besides, even in a more efficient system the opportunity for appeals and pardons would still be provided.

      2 When I speak of crime, I speak of willful action that causes harm to another person or property. Consensual Crime therefore does not fall under that definition, and should not be included for the intents and purposes of my question. Thus consensual criminals would be corrected if salvageable rather than punished, and humanely euthanized if not.

      3 If one is not content with the laws and customs of their society, they are by no means forced to live there, and should leave. If they are forced to reside in their country then the penal system is no doubt effective and efficient enough, and thus streamlining it further should be the least of that nation's concerns. That is why revolt and revolution exists, so that unjust governments and regimes may be toppled.

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    • Sturmführer
      13 years ago

      To address your other concerns:

      Age does not imply intelligence, wisdom, or experience, nor does lack of age imply the absence of such. Alexander the Great was little more than a youth when his reign started while the USA's president Bush was an old man when he took power. Am I to believe that the older man was a better, more capable leader simply because of how long he had lived? Flawed logic my friend, I have lived more in my 21 years than some of my fellow countrymen have lived in twice that.

      Drug use indirectly causes harm if the user resorts to true crime such at theft or assault in order to obtain their next high. The purchase and use of illegal drugs also DIRECTLY encourages, enables and finances drug cartels, drug production, smuggling, gangs, syndicates, gang violence, turf wars, and endangers law enforcement officials who must actively fight such forces. If one purchases methamphetamine or cocaine, they are in effect supporting a form of terrorism. They deserve no special treatment or consideration.

      Poverty, while a breeding ground for crime, does not excuse it. I myself was destitute for a time, living in a tent and eating only what the government's public schools provided free of charge. I am sure a powerful nation like the USA has a similar program. However, during my poverty, I did not resort to crime of any kind. I was raised to respect the laws of my country and the teachings of my God. If there are those raised to disregard civilized values, then I shall shed no tears if it falls to the Government or ruling party to correct them. It is not as if they never had the opportunity to learn proper human decency or morality.

      If an impoverished person mistakenly sees crime as the only means of sustaining themselves or their dependents, then forced labor can hardly be considered cruel, as they would be provided shelter and food while earning their own keep like every other productive member of society. The children would also benefit as wards of the state or ruling party, being provided with food, shelter, education, and correct morality.

      So, do drug users who by their habit finance terrorism and erode their own conditions further by welcoming gangs, drugs, and cartels deserve prison (or my 'cruel' idea of forced labor) just for seeking a chemical high?

      The answer is obvious, or perhaps I'm too young to comprehend that money and effort spent selfishly destroying a community for a temporary high couldn't possibly be better spent towards its betterment.

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  • BoredGuy
    13 years ago

    who let the hitler out? lol

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  • moomus
    13 years ago

    I don't think rapists pedophiles or murderers deserve a second chance. Human rights are for human beings. Commit the crime, do the time. These people are fully aware when they commit crimes what the punishments are. Then they get caught and have the cheek to ask for a second chance! What about the poor victims and their families?

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  • randomperson1000000
    9 years ago

    maybe if sexism AGAINST MEN wasn't present in the legal system I'd be more open to your beliefs. unless of course you're advocating this for any gender...

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    • Sturmführer
      9 years ago

      Any human being, be they man, woman, multi-gender, transgender, or other unspecified. The law shouldn't see things like race, creed, culture, or gender. A crime is a crime. The victim would certainly think so.

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  • Keirasedwick
    10 years ago

    I think think the third strike for any crime should be the death penalty (not minor traffic violations of course) maybe that way my car wouldn't get broken into so much.

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  • 1000yrVampireKing
    11 years ago

    I have to agree with the op if he means we should do this to criminals. Many of these criminals commit some of the most evil acts and feel no regret. Some would even say they would do it again if they were released. I also think the punishment should fit the crime for all high end criminals. I do believe thieves though should go jail for a few days but I dont think they should be killed or tortured for low crimes. People say they have human rights but what about the victims. Did those children have a right when they were brutally sluathered because some sick bastard wanted to have a laugh? It is easy to defend the criminal but why will no one defend the victim?

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  • Legion
    12 years ago

    I believe in the death penalty as well, but In the same token, I dont want to see an INNOCENT man die for someone elses crime. Only the worst offenders who have been proven beyond 99.9% guilty of the crime. Also, I agree, lethal injection is terrible, its slow and agonizing, expensive and poisons the body and the earth. A bullet to the head is quicker and more cost effective.

    I believe the prisons should be more productive and self supportive, like in the old days. Prisoners can hold jobs in the prison, or go to school for a skill they can get a job with when they get out. they can even get prison script (prison money) towards stuff, rewards, and depending on the offender, early release.

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  • Fleabitten2
    13 years ago

    Cruelty is cruelty no matter who is doing it and no matter who the victim is....

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  • Gidget
    13 years ago

    sorry if i sound like i was preaching i get carried away sometimes

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  • Gidget
    13 years ago

    All sins are equal in Gods eyes a liar is as bad as a murder or even a child molester in Gods eyes a liar has the chance for redemption as does any other sinner we have all sinned and do not deserve mercy but mercy is given to us by the lord so why should we not practice being Christ like and showing mercy to others

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  • [Old Memory]
    13 years ago

    scarryyyy :/

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  • [Old Memory]
    13 years ago

    Your right

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