Is it normal to think there's no point in developmental food aid?

I think it's merely symptom treatment, because the ACTUAL source of the problem (overpopulation) is NOT dealt with.

For example, if you save starving children in Africa by feeding them, that will in the long run only result in even MORE needy children. It doesn't solve ANYTHING. It would be MUCH better not to create so many children that cannot be cared for in the FIRST place.

ALL developmental food aid achieves is to soothe the conscience of rich Westerners. It is symptom treatment. Overpopulation is the root cause.

is it normal to think there's no point in developmental food aid?

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  • anti-hero

    What if we could teach them (and help them) to grow their own food? I know the soil and conditions are not always great. But ways to combat those problems are out there.

    I don't entirely disagree with you either. Fewer people would be better. so I am for sexual education and access to contraception for them.

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    • gummy_jr

      Yes^^
      1000 times agree

      But there could be complications with teaching them how to grow their own food. Other tribes might invade and kill the tribe growing the food and steal all of it.

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      • anti-hero

        They could teach the others.

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        • gummy_jr

          Hmmm true

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    • geek_god_101

      Hello agriculture, hydroponics is a great technology. You can grow more food in a fraction of the soil. DUmbasses need to stfu about droughts.

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      • RoseIsabella

        Fire it up!

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  • I am so tired of these overpopulation posts.

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    • dirtybirdy

      Then stop spreading your seed, you filth!!!

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      • gummy_jr

        It could be worse, that BREEDINGISBADSTOPIT chick could have gotten a hold of this post

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        • SHAKEStheClown

          That piece of shit was probably the kinda ugly ass bitch that no one wants to bang so she's just bitter and jealous of the rest of the world and channels it into a hatred of the whole of humanity. Normally someone like her would stand a chance with ugly guys and drunks but her insides are just as ugly as her outsides and don't nobody want any of that kinda nasty!

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          • gummy_jr

            Jeez I felt that and I'm not even the one you're talking about

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            • SHAKEStheClown

              Thank you there Gummy bear!
              :-)

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        • noid

          You don't think this post is hers?

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          • charli.m

            Nope.

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        • RoseIsabella

          True that; she was a c@nt.
          :-)

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      • Ive got a nice plump night crawler for ya.

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        • dirtybirdy

          You've also got a habit of repeating yourself.

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          • Birds are not allowed to criticize.

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      • SHAKEStheClown

        Hey, aren't birds supposed to like seeds?

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        • dirtybirdy

          Indeed, but I only like high quality seeds. Not his mass produced funky junk spunk.

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          • SHAKEStheClown

            Hahaha!

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    • BLAh81

      I don't give a shit. Overpopulation undeniably IS a huge problem (I would actually say it's the #1 problem today BTW), so it's only logical it's a hot topic. If you wanna bury your head in the sand though...

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      • Every species has to go extinct sometime. It natures way.

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    • noid

      Me too. I'm also tired of your user name.

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      • But I love yours.....

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  • SomeGuyWithAMop

    I'm gonna go mop all the 3rd world countries.

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  • oogliebooglie

    1. Food is a basic necessity and it is not "pointless" to feed people. Your apathetic rant is the thing that is pointless.

    2. Since overpopulation in third world countries is such a concern to you. Become a sex educator and travel these countries to address these issues.

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    • BLAh81

      1. Yes, it is pointless to feed people if the result only is EVEN MORE hunger and misery. It is symptom treatment. Your post is overly emotional.

      2. Nobody with a functioning brain can claim that overpopulation isn't a HUGE fucking problem.

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      • oogliebooglie

        I'm not being overly emotional, it is general empathy.

        I didn't say that overpopulation isn't a problem, my point is: What are you doing about it? If it is your concern, you should take action and go educate people.

        The problem I see is a persistent apathy and unwillingness to actually put in any real effort, money and time to help others.

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        • BLAh81

          I commend you for having empathy. However, I do too, and I think developmental food aid in the long run only creates MORE suffering and problems. I think that should be prevented.

          Good to hear you at least acknowledge overpopulation is a problem. What am I doing about it? Well, not very much to be honest, but I AM addressing the issue. That my be seem as "educating people."

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      • dom180

        I don't believe over-population is the huge problem. I believe under-resourcing (and poor distribution of resources) is the huge problem. Two sides of the same coin, only my approach doesn't involve either killing people or repressing their natural instinct.

        There is no upper population limit so long as the ability we have to create and distribute resources rises to accomodate that new population. There's no reason why we couldn't have 100 billion humans. Any indirect problems like disease and environmental damage can be solved by new technologies.

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        • BLAh81

          "I don't believe over-population is the huge problem."

          Wow, this is possibly even more laughable than your ridiculous assertion a while ago that there's nothing wrong with Islam.

          I fully acknowledge that under-resourcing and poor distribution of resources are factors, but that doesn't mean overpopulation ALSO isn't a factor. It absolutely IS. NEVER in human history have there been so many people on the planet. The pressure on our ecosystems truly is enormous.

          Besides, overpopulation of course isn't just about resources as I'm sure you know. There are COUNTLESS of problems which arise from overpopulation.

          "only my approach doesn't involve either killing people or repressing their natural instinct."

          I don't wish to harm ANYONE. In fact, I'd like it if greater suffering was to be prevented.

          "There is no upper population limit so long as the ability we have to create and distribute resources rises to accomodate that new population."

          Yes, but humanity increases EXPONENTIALLY, while resources simply don't. You might wanna check out Thomas Malthus' "an essay on the principle of population."

          "There's no reason why we couldn't have 100 billion humans."

          Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo.

          "Any indirect problems like disease and environmental damage can be solved by new technologies."

          New technologies huh? That's pretty vague. But let's assume you're right, then it would STILL be better to prevent these problems.

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          • dom180

            "Besides, overpopulation of course isn't just about resources as I'm sure you know. There are COUNTLESS of problems which arise from overpopulation."

            List them.

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            • BLAh81

              Too easy.

              - Housing shortage.
              - Pollution.
              - Deforestation.
              - Loss of species.
              - Soil erosion.
              - Poverty.
              - Crime.
              - Unemployment.
              - Diseases.
              - etc., etc.

              Since we are all intimately dependent upon the living systems of the Earth, further expansion would be quite retarded.

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  • RoseIsabella

    I suspect you would feel differently if you were the hungry one. Starving, poverty stricken children didn't get to choose the circumstances in which they were born.

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    • charli.m

      This. Education is a vital component, but you can't educate people who are starving and ill, on account of them...you know...dying n shit.

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      • RoseIsabella

        Pretty much.

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    • BLAh81

      "I suspect you would feel differently if you were the hungry one."

      Probably, yes. Still doesn't mean developmental food aid is a good idea though.

      "Starving, poverty stricken children didn't get to choose the circumstances in which they were born."

      Correct of course, but what about ALL the hungry, needy children that it will result in if their parents are given food aid? I can promise you the problems will be WAY worse.

      It seems to me your post is solely built on emotion.

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  • suckonthis9

    Half the number of people, twice as much food and potable water resources for everyone, it's that easy!

    No food aid unless a comprehensive population reduction strategy is agreed on.

    It is not so simple as to have this apply only to the people in displaced persons camps, but should include the surrounding (neighbouring) region as well, since these displaced persons must have come from somewhere.

    It is also not so simple as to teaching these people to grow food / raise livestock, since we are currently using practically all of the world's available arable land (plus much marginal land), and in fact losing productive land through desertification, and we are (collectively) causing a substantial amount of environmental degradation to the world's natural flora and fauna, through our agricultural practices.

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  • SuperBenzid

    Well food aid is primarily to create stability in poor countries so their resources are easier to gather by corporations. In that sense it isn't a waste, it achieves its goal.

    However in a human context it would be much better to link aid to lowering a country's birth rate. Africa for example has been breeding itself into misery for a long time. In 1900 it was under 200 million, now it is 1 billion and that would be fine but they can't support the population. Their high birth rate shows no sign of stopping either which has and will continue to lead to quite a bit of human suffering and death.

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  • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

    teach a man to fish and hell lay around in a boat drinkin beer all day.

    all that there food aid keeps them farmers workin which means it keeps all them fertilizer and tractor makin and railroad and shippin folks and everyone inbetween workin too. what the hell do ya think them farm subsidies are about anyway?

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  • I agree entirely.

    Any and all charity should go to helping people help themselves. Conversely, giving for the sake of giving accomplishes basically nothing.

    "Give someone a fish and you feed them for a day; teach someone HOW to fish....."

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    • charli.m

      I believe the phrase is actually, "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for acday; give a man a cot, and he'll roll a great pastry lid for tge thing AND ENTOMB HIMSELF."

      You're welcome.

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      • BLAh81

        Great reply...

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        • charli.m

          Fuck you, chuckle chops :)

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          • Balls.

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            • charli.m

              This isn't the place for your Christmas wish list, dear.

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          • BLAh81

            WTF is a chuckle chops?

            Fuck you right back BTW ;)

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  • Riddler

    I completely agree with you. Starvation, population problems, disease, and the rate of poor in a country is determined by How the government is running things.

    There is a saying "Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime". Simply giving them a fish for a day is not going to guarantee they will always have food. It does not guarantee the fish wont be stolen by thieves.

    If you keep giving them fish nothing in the country is being fixed. On that note I would add "if you are sick, dying, and starving you should not choose to have kids or better yet stop having sex if you know you'll keep getting pregnant."

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    • suckonthis9

      The 'fishing theory', is deeply flawed for a very simple reason. Collectively, humans have now depleted over 70 per cent of the world's oceanic food resources.
      The only solution that will work, is fewer people, thus less pressure on the remaining oceanic food stocks.
      Simply teaching someone to fish, does not make us sustainable.

      http://www.un.org/events/tenstories/06/story.asp?storyID=800

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      • Riddler

        You completely missed the point.

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  • loopoo

    Amen

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  • handsignals

    I agree, just fattening the lambs.

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  • GoraIntoDesiGals

    Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
    Teach a man how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
    Give a man a religion and he will pray for fish and starve.

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    • BLAh81

      Yeah.

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    • GoraIntoDesiGals

      Wow -2? Serious? I think I hurt some religious sensitivities lol. So you believe in praying for fish and poof! The invisible man in the sky magically makes one appear. Lol

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  • Tyger

    Bottom line is they do not learn. Many years ago, a charity did just that- gave the tribe some seeds and goats, taught them how to sow, nurture and reap a harvest then left having shown them the whole process and been there to teach them so they could be self-sufficient and left enough for that to be a reality with the work and favourable conditions. A couple of years later, they returned and they were in the same situation as at the start. When asked what happened, they said they ate the goats and food and now wanted aid!

    Some cultures learn, some don't!

    And I agree, overpopulation is a massive problem that people play ostrich over and bury their heads in the sand... And it's a system supported by the powers that be via charities and tax links for their own benefit, not our's or the starving people in other countries.

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  • Avant-Garde

    Instead of forming dependencies, I think that it should be mandatory that "charities" give people the tools and training to being self-efficient. There is only one charity where I have seen this. I forget what it is called, but instead of giving them handouts, it gives them the tools (livestock, bees, fish, plants,etc) and training so that they can be self-efficient.

    I think that it is very strange that people in impoverished areas, don't know the expert farming techniques of their ancestors!

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  • Shnaz

    You need to stop eating. It's only a temporary fix... You'll be hungry again.

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  • JBN

    During the Katrina disaster and for most black third world nations, I have always suggested sending birth control and forced sterilization. Then in 80 years the problem will have taken care of itself. Finally.

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  • SpatulaMan

    I genuinely believe many problems can be solved by reducing population over time. There are too many people in our world now, so in order to overcome future food and disease crises, we need to start being sensible about birth control on a global basis. I agree with you.

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