Is it normal to think the male/female wage gap is bullshit!

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Is it normal to be fucking sick and tired of hearing feminazis whining about a gender wage gap?

First of all, not all employers are male. 'The patriarchy' doesn't stop you sticking out your neck and running your own biz as you see fit.

Second, in a capitalist nation, people suspend irrational beliefs for the sake of the Almighty Dollar. If patriotic, almost bigoted, americans can hire chinese and mexicans, surely sexist males can hire women IF they truly are 'same work less pay'. Why bother hiring males anyway if females can do the same work for less?

Third, isn't it proven statistically (and anecdotally-as far as is possible) that women choose more flexible, less dangerous and less risky jobs than men? And even in the same job, they pull less overtime?

Fourth (and related to second), if there is a statistically SIGNIFICANT pay gap for SAME work, shouldn't any predominantly female firm beat the ass of any male competition? These do exist btw, and they enjoy no significant cost advantage.

So why do feminazis keep spreading this bullshit about this wage gap crap? Why is there a whole bureaucratic apparatus in the US to deal with it?

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  • dappled
    11 years ago | pl

    While I don't take your points, things aren't always as unfair as they are painted. I think anyone doing the same job should be paid the same regardless of gender. However, I heard someone on TV saying that women "in general" are paid less than men. More women work part-time and fewer women are in the most highly paid jobs. I don't think that means that part-time workers should automatically earn full-time pay (but only if they are women) just so that everyone is paid the same (this seemed to be the implication).

    As for women not getting the highest paid jobs, this happens because companies are conservative and autonomous and male-dominated. They don't welcome government intervention and largely they're all in cahoots together anyway. Any government suggesting it is championing equal rights for women needs to do the difficult thing and smash the old boys club. Equal pay and opportunity isn't just for low earners. Government starts there because we're more easily pushed around. I hate living in a country that is so backwards and pretends not to be.

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  • [Old Memory]
    11 years ago

    The wage gap is BS.
    Males risk more, work harsher hours, and pull more overtime. So when males get paid more, the vast majority of the time it is justified, they risk more and work overtime.
    Studies have shown that women go for jobs that are more social, where as men are the opposite. Psychologists have even stated this.

    I seen an article where male police officers that worked at night on the streets got a higher paycheck than the women at the desk that work during the day. The women officers that worked during the day at the computers complained sexism, then demanded the same pay rise as the male officers risking more by being on the streets at night. Guess what happened? They got the same pay, and why? Because, and I quote "These female officers face the same danger as the male officers do at night, due to crime being just as bad during the day"...Anyone can tell you that it was bullshit.

    Risk as much as males do in the workforce, and pull in as much overtime, and you will get paid the same amount. If you don't, then you won't. Simple. If you expect to get paid the same as the people doing and risking more while you do less, then you are...Just no words to explain the patheticness...Pathetic, there's one. You are pathetic if you do that.

    Ofcourse, this will be thumbed down, because women are the victims. Regardless of the fact that the deathrate of people on the job due to them doing jobs that involve more risks are 98& males, I must be wrong.
    You women are just so harshly treated, and whatnot, right?

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    • PumpkinKate
      11 years ago

      ItDuz, on almost his 3rd year crusade to convince internet-people misogyny can win by coloring legitimate, well-thought out points with flagrant sexist remarks and completely biased opinions. You even acknowledge defeat before finishing your remarks :|

      It's sort of like trying to build a sand-castle by smashing the thing every time you get a part looking just the way you want it.

      Maybe it's time to blend those intelligent, researched, well-thought out points with an open mind, and leave the bigotry at home?

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      • [Old Memory]
        11 years ago

        PumpkinKate, people like you are the reason why I barely come on here anymore. You are a persistant moron, is what I am getting at. How you thought implying I am wrong without showing any counter is beyond me.

        I ackknowledge defeat before finnish what I say? Sarcasm. I was going to make a witty insult on how you could not notice that, but why bother. Your mentality here is insult enough. Stupid people can't understand sarcasm.

        So, PumpkinKate, what exactly have you done here to suggest I am wrong? All you have done is imply I am wrong, yet have not given reason why I am wrong.

        You see sexism and misogyny as things you dislike hearing. yet have nothing to offer to show why it is sexism. When something is true against a particular group, it is not sexism, it is fact. You know this, which is why you could not offer any counterpoint, then tried, and I repeat 'tried' to make me seem wrong without giving any reason to suggest why I am wrong.

        That's right, because by your (ir)rationality, research and intelligence is wrong if it suggests men are doing more and risking more, so solve it with an open mind, intelligence and studied facts mean nothing, right? Do you not see the irony? You know what, I don't know why I asked. You're too idiotic to understand sarcasm.

        So I tell you what, you actually show me where I am wrong, then we'll get on to if what I said is sexism.

        Wait! Let me reply for you.
        "I don't have time to waste on you, a sexist, misogynystic pig. You're a moron. I have no time to waste on you, so I will not reply explaining with why you are wrong and sexist, you just are. My word is final. Blah, blah, blah."
        Or: "Too long didn't read" (Secretely did read, just don't know what to reply with).
        About right?

        You know, the whole point of proving someone wrong is...You know...Proving them wrong. You going to do that anytime soon?

        But hey, give me some of these 'well-thought out points'.
        Really. I love how when I make points that prove women wrong on these issues, so much that they can't defend their points, it is just me being sexist...-rolls eyes-

        You're out-classed. If you insist on wasting my time, atleast do it in attempts of 'proving' me wrong instead of, long story short, saying "I win because I say you are wrong".

        Incase you didn't realize what I stated were facts from psychlogists, and so on. Feel free to look them up, like any rational being would do before saying a fact is wrong.

        Again, don't waste my time if you are going to simply think "I am right because I said you are sexist" is a reasonal, well thought out debate point.

        Seriously. You thought you can prove me wrong by shame tactics instead of supplying actual points? You must not know me very well, or know me too much to know that anything you say, I can easily counter. So instead of actually being rational, you fell to insults and shame tactics.

        Funny, if it wasn't so pathetic...Pathetically funny? Hmm.

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        • PumpkinKate
          11 years ago

          "Males risk more, work harsher hours, and pull more overtime" not all of them do. Women who risk more, work harsher hours, and pull more overtime deserve the same pay as a guy doing it. That's what NEARLY EVERY PERSON arguing for equal rights believes. Not some weird notion that women are asking for handouts for doing less. Only a few crazies believe that, and they're stupid.

          NEARLY EVERY person in favor of equal pay would agree the police example you gave is a bullshit situation. You said it yourself "Anyone can tell you that it was bullshit."

          "Risk as much as males do in the workforce, and pull in as much overtime, and you will get paid the same amount." If this were the case, we wouldn't have a problem here. This is all we're asking for. It doesn't happen all the time. Anyone can tell you that that is bullshit.

          "Ofcourse, this will be thumbed down, because women are the victims. You women are just so harshly treated, and whatnot, right?" random boring misogynistic comment thrown in at the end for no reason whatsoever. We get it. You hate women. It's old news. These comments are irrelevant and make your case much weaker.

          I've told you a thousand times over I'm not trying to prove you wrong, anyway. I'm just saying the way you try to get your factual points across is too colored by your jaded opinions, sheer rage, and inability to understand social interaction.

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          • [Old Memory]
            11 years ago

            Far more than women do. Again, look up psychologists that have stated this.

            Yes, if women did do it as much as men, it would be fair. Once again, I never dissagreed. Point being, not nearly as much do.
            No, the people that believe in equal pay believe women do the same amount as men, which is wrong, and is shown wrong by the simple fact of how males are expected to do the more risky parts of the job, which the deathrates show are male.

            Obviously we would, because we do. Women act like they are getting less pay for the same ammount of work, when they aren't. Like I said, they risk less and do less overtime, etc.
            You run under the belief that femaled do the same amount and risk the same amount. Again, deathrates show otherwise.

            How is that at all misogynystic? Are you implying that women are not seen as the victims of the genders? If you are, then you need to get in grip with society.

            I am a woman hater for using the "women are always victims" in a sarcastic manner? So unless I accept that women are always the victim and not use sarcasm when saying it, I hate women? Simple misandry, using shame tactics.

            "I'm not trying to prove you wrong"...I...Ugh. If the above is not showing you that you are doing exactly that...Ugh. Moving on.

            Yes, we get it. I have jaded opinions, not studied facts. I am a rage case, even when I am sitting here with my hand on my cheek with a blank expression, and I don't understand social interraction. I get it, you are relying on irrelevant factors that are incorrect.

            Are you done yet?

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            • PumpkinKate
              11 years ago

              I'm not arguing against your facts, and here we get to the part where you go "Yes, Kate, I agree with you - women getting paid equally for doing an equal share of work is fair." but then go on to shatter your point by throwing every last living woman on the planet into the category you despise so much.

              You DO study your facts. I believe this story about the police officers is true and well researched on your part. But you can't just use that fact and then turn around and say "100% OF ALL WOMEN THAT EVER LIVED, ARE LIVING, OR WILL LIVE ARE LIKE THIS AND THEY'RE STUPID!"

              Your arguments ALWAYS follow this pattern:
              I observe a fact. It is one scenario, involving one or a few radicals who comprise a miniscule percent of the demographic doing something REALLY STUPID.
              I think this is bullshit. I explain how it is bullshit.
              I then carpet-bomb every last individual even remotely associated with this small percentage with my righteous indignation.
              Anyone who disagrees with my blanketing every woman alive with this hatred OBVIOUSLY thinks that the scenario I described is not bullshit. Therefore, they are stupid.

              If you had some sense of how humans interact, you'd realize approaching things with a calm demeanor and presenting your facts, while conceding points you agree with, is the most effective strategy. Statistics can prove to you that this method is far more effective than just spouting hatred and saying "All ____'s are exactly like ____"

              Don't believe me? Try it out. Record your results. Compare it to your current method. Repeat until you have a satisfactory pool of numbers to draw a somewhat accurate statistic from.

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      • [Old Memory]
        11 years ago

        "PumpkinKate, people like you are the reason why I barely come on here anymore. You are a persistant moron, is what I am getting at. How you thought implying I am wrong without showing any counter is beyond me."

        I also have noticed this.

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  • dirtybirdy
    11 years ago

    I don't whine. People pay me what I tell them to pay me.

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  • Charle44
    11 years ago

    About the statistics: yes, most of the wage differences can be explained by hours worked, profession, and experience.

    About the rest: you're not going to persuade anyone by throwing a fit about it.

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  • drugsrbadmkay
    11 years ago

    It's a lot easier to deny suffering and inequality in the world than to fix it. So yes it is normal that you are completely in denial in your comfortable middle class right-wing fantasy life.

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  • [Old Memory]
    11 years ago

    Fuck anyone who isn't me.

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  • squeallikeasacofpigs
    11 years ago

    Well, when you employ a woman you take the risk that she might have children and you'll have to pay her full salary for doing no actual work for the company. Is it fair that they should have the same salary then? No.

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    • robbieforgotpw
      11 years ago

      You're the first one to realize that here, about the need for flexible scheduling, working at home, part-time hours, unplanned time off, absence due to child's sickness. Not to mention maternity leave. All because of children.

      You have to put in the same amount of time if you want the same pay.

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  • Terence_the_viking
    11 years ago

    But what can you do about it?

    Thought so.

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  • cantheist
    11 years ago

    Easy way to fix that problem: Don't pay anyone.

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