Is it normal to think homosexuals are less attractive?

I have a theory based on my observation, some logic and a few opinions from others. I suspect that IN GENERAL, homosexuals are less sexually attractive, at least by the standards of the opposite sex (i.e homosexual women are less attractive by men's standards and vice versa). I suspect this is because they feel unappealing and insecure so they give up on pursuing the opposite sex to some extent.

This is not meant to judge homosexuals in anyway, nor to make this a statement about every homosexual. Is it normal to think this way?

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  • Mrown

    That mindset is extremely homophobic.

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    • Yes I know it seems that way. And I am quite straight so I'm probably a little biased. I should have said in the post that gay men shouldn't care. They don't care if they aren't attractive to heterosexual women, so they should not feel terribly judged. Part of me applauds homosexuals for finding what works for them. I do still think the correlation exists though, I just didn't make a point of saying that it doenst matter to gay guys at all. The only point if this post was to offer a THEORY I have as to why some people go homo. And to find out what you really think, answer me this. If I took a million heterosexual women and had them rank attractivness of guys based on appearance only on a scale if 1 to 10. The women do not know each guys sexuality and they each rate two million guys. Half of the guys are homosexual and half are heterosexual. Do you think that the homosexual guys would get a slightly lower attractiveness score over all over such a large sample size than the straight guys. I am just curious what you think honestly, I think the gay guys woukd get slightly lower scores over an average if such a large group.

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      • Mrown

        The fact someone's gay doesn't make them unattractive, their appearance does. I'm gay, not by choice but by birth, like any other person who's ACTUALLY gay. I have a lot of friends of opposite sex and often hear that I'm handsome (I'm not trying to humble-brag here just making a point) and I could easily find a girlfriend. I don't CHOOSE what sex I'm attracted to. Being straight would actually be more convenient for me but being gay is not a choice. In conclusion, no, I don't think gay guys would score lower unless you would purposely pick ugly people.

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        • Well I found the disagreement point at least! I don't think all men that are gay are born this way. Now as I said, I straight so I'm no expert, but I did have a friend of mine back in freshmen year that got dumped by a girl he had been with really close for like 2 years, and then the next year through word a mouth someone I trust told me he 'turned gay'. I'm not sure about this and it's tuff to prove, but would you please at least tell me WHY you think all gay guys are born gay? Like what evidence would point to that? Just scrolling through the Wikipedia would suggest that although genetics is a factor, it's clear it's not established as the only factor. Hormonal differnces and "social factors" are also mentioned as contributing causes.

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          • Mrown

            I know that from experience. All those people like Logan Paul, who say "they turned gay" are full of shit. IF your friend got a boyfriend after that break then that means he's bi, not "turned gay". Also you're not even sure if it's true, because you said yourself, that that's just a rumour you heard from someone.

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            • Yes I am not sure of my stance. But I don't think you can get upset at someone for thinking it's possible to 'become gay' to some extent. Also maybe some people are born with some gay genetics and because they are self-conscious about it they don't actually act gay for quite some time. And possibly people are more likely to 'come out' after they stike out with women to some extent or they don't feel adaquetly attractive to women. It's merely speculation but it seems possible.

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  • Protagoras

    Is it because you seem homosexual men to be more feminine, making them less appealing to heterosexual women? Because if that’s the case, there are a lot of masculine homosexual men as well. Same goes for homosexual women.

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    • The first sentence you wrote I absolutely agree with. That is no doubt a driving mechanism here. But where you said 'there are a lot of masculine homosexual men' is where I get cold feet. I get what your saying like there are lots of counter examples, and I don't disagree. However, I think that the average overall attractiveness to the opposite sex is less in homosexuals, but that doesn't mean there can't be a number of counterexamples, I even know one or two myself.

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  • mauzi

    So you're saying you think people go gay out of desperation? Lol wow. I'm sure some try homosexuality for those reasons, but true homos are attracted to the same sex in the way youre attracted to the opposite sex. are you really that dumb or were you just trolling?? also, you might be a queer yourself if you dont find 2 girls going at it to be attractive

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    • Your first sentence is a very, very overly dramatic and extreme way to portray my view point. But I do technically agree, I think that many homosexuals are insecure about their appeal to the opposite sex, so they subconsciously begin to be attracted to or experiment with the same sex. Next you say that some people experiment for the reasons I stated, which seems to show you do belive my claim to be true in some capacity. The whole thing about 'true homo's' pursuing the same sex regardless, also does not directly conflict my point, I did not say all homosexuals, I said in general. This would put your so called 'true homos' as nore of an exceltion rather than the rule. This means that I think their insecurities are a cause of their same sex attraction, in some cases but definently not all. And if you think I'm queer for not liking lesbian sex as a hetero guy, that's just your opinion, but I personally think it's horse shit. If two women are having sex I may be slightly aroused by their bodies but if it was just two nude women standing there, it would be much more arousing for me than if those same two women were having lesbian sex. We can agree to disagree and that's fine, but please at least make a specific argument so we can find out where you abandon my train of logic. I respect your opinion and will consider it whether you agree with me or not.

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      • mauzi

        Most People in general are less attractive than standard, it has nothing to do with orientation. You’re also assuming everyone is bisexual and can go back and forth depending on how desperate they are? Try to be more concise in your argument.

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        • I agree the standards overall are too high for everyone, but that is beside the point. I never assumed this about everyone so when you say I'm assuming everyone is bisexual, that's just not true, I never assumed this about everyone. Many people are bisexual and I know that, but this post is about homosexuals who currently are only attracted to the same sex. I will also try to be more concise for you in case your misunderstanding me :

          I suspect that in general, over an average across a very large population (there are many exceptions!) that homosexuals are less attractive by the standard desired by the opposite sex. Now do you agree with this statement and if so, to what extent?

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          • mauzi

            Dude I have no idea, there are plenty of gays what you’d never know they were gays. They are just like every other people and it makes no sense to say “people who have this preference tend to be uglier than everyone else”. Do you mean actually uglier or do you just think they look ugly because of their stereotypical style (short haired tomboy lesbians for example, who would otherwise look ok with longer hair and women’s clothes)?
            Is this itduz btw?

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            • Their stereotypical style, if there is such a thing, is less attractive to the opposite sex. So yes, that's part of the point. Also please know that I don't think the correlation is strong enough to be easily noticed. It's not like I think I can walk down the street and look at people and be like "he's ugly, hes gay, he's attractive he's straight".

              The point of this post was more to offer a theory of a correlation and why that may be the case.

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  • SimpleSimonThePieMan

    Isn’t this just because of sexuality? Like why would a man be sexually attracted to a gay woman if the man is straight?

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    • Yes, that is kind if the point. Although I do think that perhaps part of the cause for homosexuality, especially in men is the perception that they are unatrative to women. And this perception, that is slightly based in reality overall can contribute to them seemed out or exploring with the same sex. So basically a much less attractive (by straight woman's standards) man is a little more likely to experiment with homosexual activities or become homo later on.

      The title is a little decieving and I apologize for that. So I think that gay men for example, are less attractive by straight women's standards overall on average. But what I didn't mention is why gay men shouldn't give a shit.

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  • LampmanDaniels

    I’m a straight guy and I feel almost exclusively attracted to lesbians (not the fake porn kind but women I’ve met irl).

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    • That is really interesting. I'm sure this post is hard for you to belive based on your situation, but I think it's safe to say you are the exception rather than the rule.

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  • LloydAsher

    Here's a fun fact! I am agnostic! I dont have a religious reason to go against the transgender rights. I DO have a reason to go against it for SCIENTIFIC and SOCIETAL reasons.

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    • Same here, not religious at all. Fuck Christians for screwing up my childhood anyway. This isn't a matter of religious belief, it is common sense.

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      • LloydAsher

        I'm neutral about Christian's they are better then some other of the major religions. At least they don't start lopping heads off.

        It is common sense not to drag children into the complexities of what is and isnt a mental disorder.

        I'm libertarian so I dont care what free people do to themselves but I do care about children, vaccines and a stable education is a public must but once you turn 18 every freedom should be avalible. I especially dont like it that people are mixing politics and medical science together.

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        • Asatchi

          I don't recall any scientific basis behind the claim that gender dysphoria is a mental illness. That is a totally outdated view. Homosexuality also used to be viewed this way but humanity evolves and we realised we were mistaken. Fortunately a few dinosaurs are left behind screaming and kicking as they struggle to hold on the last vestiges of power. What irks me is the way heterosexual cisgender men seem to think that the world should conform with their own narrow view as though only their way of life is right and everyone else is wrong. It's so laughable and tragic . Life just doesn't work like that. This planet is shared by many diverse humans and many species. You can't control it even if you think you can. Soon youll be gone and forgotten. Dust. Nobody will care and life will continue to evolve.

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          • LloydAsher

            Sorry if 92% of the population are of the correct sexual orientation for continued human survival. I'm also sorry to tell you that this way of thinking the standard way of seeing specific body parts and associating them with the gender is correct. This shit is present in every single fucking human civilization and every recorded tribe to have ever existed. This is a BASIC human condition.

            You and your other left progressives are a tiny vocal minority who think we are just old people crying about the old ways. I'm 20! I can tell you that the majority of my peers agree with the natural perception of gender. All we are trying to do is make sure you aren't steering other stupid people right off of a cliff into delusions of being something they aren't and never will be!

            It's in your blood it's in your DNA what you are. If it's your brain telling you that your body isnt what it's supposed to be it's your brains fault. I want to help fix that brain instead of destroying the body!

            We wont be forgotten because I will raise my future kids right. To see logical thinking as the correct way of life. Perceptions can change, facts can not.

            Here's a little personal detail about me: my sex chromosomes read XXY, I'm textbook intersex. I was born with a dick so you know what that makes me?! A Male.

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            • Asatchi

              Doesn't surprise me that youre 20. That explains the level of ignorance. Young and dumb. Doubt your balls have even dropped lol. I don't subscribe to your antiquated view so you can ramble on all you like but what you have to say is irrelevant in today's world.
              I also dont identify with my body or the labels people like you use to try and box people in. Bye dinosaur. Enjoy being on the wrong side of history.

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        • Christians have in common with every other religion that they think they are right and your fucked up unless you listen to them. But the case I would make for Christians being among the worst is that they have all these missionaries and people trying to 'deciple' you and shit. Like other religions can leave atheists alone but Christians try to manipulate you a make you feel bad for what you've done and get you to hand over your life 'to the lord' or some shit like that. They are relentless like mosquitos goddamit!

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          • LloydAsher

            Have you seen what the fucking muslims majority countries do to people who are like us?! Stone them to death!
            I rather have to deal with missionaries saying I'll go to hell rather then Islam trying to burn me alive for it. It could be better yes. But it could also be much, much worse.

            Every religon thinks they are right! Theists and Atheists! It takes being on the fence to see the perspectives.

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            • Yes, radical muslims do worse things, no doubt. But Christians make up at least some of it because they are so widespread. Like in the safety if the US I don't have to worry about any religion bugging me except those damn Christians! It might just be my part of the country though.

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  • I agree with LloydAsher. You sound angry but your case is not rooted in facts or logic. If I call someone with a dick a guy, they should not get pissed at me. They can be gay and I don't give a fuck, but I won't call you something your not because you feel like your something else. People just hate being told what to be, but gender is not hard to figure out. Feel your crotch right now, do you have one or not? If you have a dick I'm calling you a guy, and if that offends you, then that is your issue. I am using an umbrella term to describe your distinct anatomy and hormone profile. It's facts and science, if you know what those two things are.

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  • How the fuck was I supposed to know your sexuality? But also, now that I know your are gay it does make your point of view a little easier to understand. And my hypothesis obviously is not based on much, if it was I would not have posted it on this site. I'm glad you are no longer offended and just don't follow my logic. We can agree to disagree and that's how it should go. I have a theory that I'm unsure of so I post it online, then I get you to come and tell me why you don't beleive it to be true. But since this is not something that can be reasonably tested, neither of us can be 100% certain we are absolutly right, but an exchange of reasoning could help both of us improve our understanding. Thank you for commenting on this post.

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  • I never said anything about the relevance of my belief in the post, not at all. And whether you like it or not, you appear to agree with my post, or at least see where I'm coming from. You said 'even if it happened' and then just said it would not be for the reason I state. I'm not sure what other reason there could be though, I would be curious to know. Now that we sort of possibly agree, my only regret is not setting up the poll in enough of a way not to sound judgemental. I respect gay people for what they do even though I don't understand the appeal personally. And I do think that if a younger male is brought up and is significantly less attractive by women's standards, he is a little more likely to become gay or at least develop some tendencies. It seems more that you are attacking me than the claim I make, yet I say very little about my poor credibility or why you should belive me because of it. Since you know nothing else about me and never will, please attack the idea and not the person.

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  • Sorry if saying lesbian sex was pointless was offensive. I didn't mean that as offensive it just has no appeal to me personally, but if that's you thing feel free to enjoy the hell out of it! If it's gives you pleasure, than that's the point right there! And your absolutly right, I should do more research and I also think your right that I worded the question wrong and to offensive sounding. I know there are plenty of counter examples as I eluded too elsewhere but I do still think some correlation exists.

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  • IrishPotato

    Isn't that kind of the point?

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    • I know right? I feel like I made my post and my question to detailed an obvious. I feel like my point was at least somewhat common knowledge. At least two people in the comments have argued me to death and repeatedly called me and idiot and even a troll. Also I don't know how to say something like this without sounding judgmental, which kinda gets people rubbed the wrong way.

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      • IrishPotato

        People often find ways for everything to be offensive nowadays, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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        • Well thanks. I just think that I did a poor job presenting myself in an unbiased and non judgemental way. I also should have mentioned that even though women might think their less attractive on average, gays guys don't give a shit! Duhhhhh! I didn't know this post was going to be so controversial so I didn't put that much thought into writing it.

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          • IrishPotato

            It's okay dude haha, nowadays I can write I like cows milk and it would be racist towards goats.

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            • Lol! My dad is a goat farmer and I am offended greatly! Fuck you!!!!

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  • Well thanks for the discussion I guess. You have some good points and you might be right about the lesbian porn thing, but I wouldn't know much about that. I also now see how I could have reworded the post to seem less offensive and more to the point. I'm still confused because on one hand you seem to think I'm a pinhead, and on another it seems like you would agree that homosexuals are less attractive to the opposite sex, you just don't think it matters, which is absolutly correct and other people on this post have said the same thing.

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  • Aye. Good point actually. Although what about if we had 10000 heterosexual women rank 10000 men who 5000 were straight and 5000 were homosexual. Do you think the homo's would be ranked slightly lower because I think the would?

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  • So do you agree with the original post or not? I never said gay people cared, and I never said it mattered because it obviously doesn't. I don't care if they care what I think either, in fact good for them if they don't. In your mind is there any truth to my post or not???

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  • I never said I did 'thorough research', I said in the post that my conjecture was based on observation, logic and some opinions of others. I don't have any hard evidence for this, I'm just curious, hence the poll. Also whether or not they care is a valid question. Gay people probably don't care how women think they look, but that isnt the question being asked here.

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  • Indigo1

    people are just misunderstanding you

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    • Yes I know. It was a poorly designed question and a hard one to make without being offensive sounding. I should have added that even though they may be slightly less attractive on average, gay guys don't care what straight women think of them. Duhhh! At least it has brought on a lot of discussion though. Do you see where I'm getting at with this post?

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  • So what if lesbian is the most searched in porn? That means that guys like to watch women have sex, which is fine. But is suspect this may be because women on women sex is something guys can never experience, so they like to view it through porn. But just because you watch lesbian porn doesn't mean you have a lesbian fetish, that's just too far. Does everyone that searched for in watched two girls one cup have a shit fetish? No, most are just curious, same wity straight males watching lesbian sex in many cases.

    Second I would like to address my credibility. I am currently studying psychology at a university and we have covered gender and homosexuals in some classes. I don't think I'm an expert, but I feel I know more than the next guy at least. But I never did say I'm super credible. I said in my post it way based on observation, logic and a few opinions of others, i.e not super credible. I'm more curios than anything honestly although it makes sense to me.

    Next you say gay people don't feel unattractive or insecure, and this is where I disagree. It's fine if you think that but please consider that suicide rates among homosexuals are several times higher than in other people, so to me that helps verify he point.

    Next you say gay men don't want pussy and lesbian women don't want dick, and your right, I'm glad you know the definition. But just because they have no interest in the opposite now deosnt mean that was always the case. I think a minority of adult homosexuals were completely gay their whole entire life and never interested in the opposite sex at all.

    Then you say I only think this because I personally don't find them attractive, and this is just not true. In fact a lot of my observations have been on the lack of relative aytractivness of gay guys compared to women's standards, and I'm only attracted to women. And just because I chat look at two people and say one is gay and one isn't based on looks, deosnt mean a correlation over the broader sense. For example, if I somehow saw 50,000 pairs of two men or women with one homo and one hetero, I feel like I would get slight better than half right, maybe like 28 or 30 thousand. The correlation isn't strong enough and there are too many exceptions for it to be super practical. It's not like, "he's ugly so he must be gay" or vice versa.

    This isn't a troll post, but it is me being curious and wanting to hear people's opinions such as yours. I don't ever for sure think this correlation exists, but it I suspect it does. Notice the keys word in the post, the description starts with "I have a theory..." And like I said, early, I'm not nearly credible enough to make a claim like this is a fact. It is a theory based on several factors that I WONDER if it's true.

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  • I am sterotyoing in a way, but not wity bad intentions. I clearly stated at the bottom of my post that this was not meant to be judgmental or generalized to anyone. That said, I do disagree with a lot of the opinions you have. You state them like a fact when there really just your opinion, which I have a problem with.

    For example, saying it's sad that women go to so much work to look good for heterosexual men. If they are heterosexual isn't that kind of the point? I am a heterosexual male and me and all my fellow heterosexual male friends try as best we can to look like what heterosexual women want. Are we doing something wrong or what?

    Secondly, saying most men have a lesbian fetish, again an opinion stated like a fact. I like all sorts of kinky shit but heterosexual only. I'm a male who thinks lesbian sex is gross and a little pointless, and I don't care how good the chicks look. I also have read and heard a fair number of other heterosexual men's thoughts on lesbian sex and most are either grossed out or indifferent. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but to say 'most heterosexual men have a lesbian fetish' is irresponsible and overly generalized based on how you perceive things.

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  • LloydAsher

    Homosexuality is normal in social animals. I dont give a shit if that's what you are into. But the gays these days need to seperate themselves from the transgender movement right now because the transgender "rights" is bull shit social facism crap. Better not to have the LGB community get caught up in any extra garbage.

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    • IrishPotato

      Aye.

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    • I agree with all that but would you like to make a more clearly stated position about this post. I'm all ears!

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    • I disagree. The gay umbrella encompasses everyone who doesn't fit the mainstream view of heterosexuality. However this absolutely does not include pedophiles, incest etc

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      • LloydAsher

        What about abruptly changing genders to suit you needs? I'm not bending over backwards for a mental delusion that only 0.7 % of the population has.

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        • Asatchi

          That's an ignorant intolerant alt right view. Bigotry is a mental delusion but plenty of people are bigots. I dont enjoy having to live with them but I don't have much choice. If someone wants to change genders it's none of your business and you have zero power to stop them. They aren't asking you to bend over backwards.

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          • LloydAsher

            If someone wants to change their gender I dont care, just dont expect me to address them in kind.

            tell me what is the difference between gender dysmorphia and body dysmorphia like anorexia?

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            • Asatchi

              How is it a threat to you? See I really don't get this attitude? If someone wants to be addressed a certain way why does it bother you?? Its really not that difficult. It does not effect you. All you need to do is move your mouth in a slightly different way. There are much larger problems to worry about. You sound like you're just parroting some alt right rhetoric you've heard online.
              The world is already an unkind place why add to it by being a cunt just because you can?

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