Is it normal to have this opinion about jesus of nazareth?

I'm not a religious person, but I am Christian. I do believe Jesus existed and was a great, great man. However, I do not believe God existed (or exists) because God's existence is impossible to prove, while Jesus has been proven to be real of course.

And because of this, I believe that Jesus was given birth to by Mary.

Also, while I believe that Jesus was a caring, wise man and a saviour to all (and I am aware that he was a Jew) I disbelieve this idea that he performed "miracles" like magically changing water into wine and stopping a tree from dying.

In my opinion, these so-called miracles are figures of speech. For example, turning water into wine meant that he was simply a great provider, while stopping the fig tree from wilting meant he was just an excellent farmer.

He also apparently brought multiple people back to life after they had died. I don't think he literally clicked his fingers and gave them life; I just feel that he had excellent doctor skills and could heal people who where seconds from dying (after all, he did heal a lot of people anyway, so he literally was a terrific doctor)

So bottom line: Over the years Jesus's many fantastic deeds have been exaggerated to make them sound magical.

This is what I think of Jesus, and I dont want to sound blasphemous if I'm incorrect, I am not being blasphemous, I just want to know if it's a normal thing to believe. I want to believe Jesus as a great man but also a normal man, not a fantasy figure.

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  • aduusw

    He exists... I have a neighbor called Jesus Alberto Lopez.

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  • TheGasManCometh

    Nice story, but I have to disagree with you on one point - you are NOT a Christian. You are an atheist, and that's not a bad thing, whatever anyone else may tell you - so come out of the closet and join the rest of us sane thinkers! Be proud!

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  • earthchild

    Very interesting view. I'm not religious and I don't believe the Christian theory, but I think what you have concluded makes incredible sense. This is something I could believe.

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  • joybird

    My dad always declared himself to be an atheist until his last week when he knew he was going to die of cancer. We were astonished when he said they didn't play any hymns he liked on the hospital radio.

    WHAT!!!!!!????????

    70 years of being an atheist, but hedged his bets at the last minute!

    Thank God!

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  • Jesus must have existed, otherwise all of this talk/evidence of Jesus would have been because of someone's big fat lie. But yes, I agree, Jesus's miracles weren't magical deeds, they were simply deeds that were so heroic and incredible that they appeared godlike.

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  • TheGasManCometh

    Hmmm - even if using my brain for rational thought rather than following obsolete, superstitious dogma put in place by men means going to "fiery torment" after I die, I think I'll remain an atheist - I like a warm place with something to do (albeit being tortured by demons) - and at least I'll have good company!

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  • dappled

    I'm with randomjelly. Who proved that Jesus existed? Furthermore, since when have people from the Middle East been called names like Mary and Joseph or Adam and Eve?

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    • They've all been anglicized to make it easier for some nitwits that live on a huge island across the Pas de Calais.

      For example, the English name "Mary" comes from the Greek Μαρία, which is a shortened form of Μαριάμ. The New Testament name was based on her original Hebrew name מִרְיָם or Miryam.

      Matthew in Tiberian Hebrew is Mattay or Mattithyahu and Septuagint Greek Ματθαῖος, (Matthaios).

      Dappled in the original creek translates to "Poophead on Avon".

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      • dappled

        I was actually considering this while I was writing. I couldn't have translated any of the names but I guessed they were probably Europeanised. I thought I may get away with it, though. :P

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        • Let you get away with something? Ha!

          Feel fortunate you were not burdened by my formal jewish/christian upbringing.

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      • Sorry, original "Greek"...

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  • randomjelly

    Someone proved the existence of Jesus? Damn, must have missed that memo.

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  • noginockr

    Yeah, you ain't a Christian. And you and all the 'sane thinkers' can live forever in a fiery torment in the place He created for the devil and his angels!!!! Sick BASTARD!!

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    • SpoiltCandy

      you're so right "noginockr" , everyone is free to believe what they want but it won't change the truth,the world will know someday..

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  • iheartu2013

    You are not a Christian, but an atheist. I will pray you become saved.

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  • Your not a religious person, but you're Christian. These two points contradict each other. If you were Christian you would be a religious person and believe that god exists. So you're not Christian you're an atheist.

    Also it's perfectly normal to have that opinion of Jesus. My view on religion is: one woman's affair that seriously got out of hand.

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  • ZOR69

    Well, those are interesting opinions, but as a matter of fact I do not believe the existence of Jesus has been proven, or can be proven. My belief is that he is derived from two sun gods - Hesus and Christna.

    Some people DO believe the existence of God can be proven. I had a little booklet once called "Seven Proofs That God Exists". But one of the proof is that creation demands a creator. I keep thinking, 'If that is so, then who created the creator, if all things have to have one?' Kind of goes in circles and gets you nowhere.

    The Oahspe Bible says that Jesus was created at the Council of Nice, by combining several people. That is also when the New Testament (Constantine Bible) was concocted and palmed off on the world.

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  • Sherpa

    Do you feel that it is not your place to define God, or do you feel that God does not exist?

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  • Hmmaybe

    When you say the miracles were exagerated over time. The gospels in which they are recorded were written just 30 to 80 years after his death, from witnesses who were there at the time. So it is unlikely that they have been exagerated. I think that instead the miracles have a symbolic meaning. For example water to wine: Jesus/God can convert even the worst of drink into the best. In the same way Jesus can convert the worst sinner into a good person.

    I'm a Christian, I don't know whether God exists, but Jesus and other wise people certainly set out good guidelines with which to lead my life so I follow them.

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  • Christian means follower of Christ. Atheist means believing that there is no Deity. Look up Christian Atheism on Wikipedia, I think this is what a lot of people are

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  • phoenix_paradox

    The Egyptians of every period in which they are known to us believed that Osiris is of divine origin, that he suffered death and mutilation at the hands of the powers of evil, that after a great struggle with these powers he rose again, that he became henceforth the king of the underworld and judge of the dead, and that because he had conquered death the righteous also might conquer death...In Osiris the Christian Egyptians found the prototype of Christ, and in the pictures and statues of Isis suckling her son Horus, they perceived the prototypes of the Virgin Mary and her child.

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  • TheGasManCometh

    Curses! Why can't I copy that text on the iPhone app? And why does it boot me out when I try to post something in Thai? Grrr.

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  • I like to think that Jesus was this really cool guy (essentially the world's first hippie) who smoked weed all the time, played the guitar and was probably a surfer too. Sort of like Jeff Spicoli, except that people actually listened to him.

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  • TheGasManCometh

    Carolann - stop talking weird and go into the light!

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    • I thought you said stay away from the light?

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    • THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • yodasmom

    In no way am I engaging in a theological debate. However, it actually has been proven that Jesus lived and died on the cross. Roman documents reference him and his death. As well as listing him as a leader of a branch of Jews to be watched. Full articles are available on the subject through Archeology the industries scientific journal.

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  • TheGasManCometh

    Oh dear - I think I'd better find out more about the root of my assumed name, or risk being uncool. And I'd better be more sure of myself when it comes to uniqueness! Humble pie, yum yum yum.

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  • TheGasManCometh

    By the way, I feel I should admit (and this will tell you something about my character) that I had to google Eugene O'Neill to know who you were talking about - I'd heard of The Iceman Cometh, but that was as far as it went! I shall delve deeper - and lament the fact that IIN names can't be changed.

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    • If you ever have the chance to read, or better yet see a performance of, either Iceman Cometh or Long Day's Journey Into Night, you will (hopefully) become an O'Neill fan.

      Long Day's Journey Into Night is a masterpiece. Absolutely brilliant.

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    • dappled

      Well, you got the pun from the root I thought so my pleasure at it remains untainted. Side story - my ex-boss and I were both heavy readers and we got a work experience lad in called Eugene; the son of one of the academics. Academics always pick odd names. Nobody here is called Eugene.

      We called him The Iceman. He was so flattered by it because I think he thought it meant he was cool. We let him think that. I bet he still makes his friends call him "Ice Man" even today.

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  • TheGasManCometh

    Uh... You don't want to know. Which means you want to even more now, so - my first ever post (on the Internet in fact, IIN broke my cherry) was in reference to a story by someone who wanted to know if it was normal to smell their own farts... I had a rather unique/disgusting suggestion!

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    • dappled

      Ahh, I seem to remember that post. I may have even replied. If I didn't reply to that, I replied to one that was the same.

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  • TheGasManCometh

    I rather liked it the way it was - "Dappled in the Original Creek" sounds lovely - some kind of early Australian baptism?

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    • dappled

      I like it too. If I could change my name on IIN, I'd be DappledInTheOriginalCreek.

      How did you come by your name, by the way? I'm guessing you're a gas fitter with a penchant for Eugene O'Neill? I like that too - it's funny.

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      • Versus "TinkledInTheOriginalCreek"

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      • Your name in Creek would be Es·te·ke·ne mas·ko·ke.

        Sort of.

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        • dappled

          That sounds really quite attractive to my ears.

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          • It does sound nice...it has a certain rhythm.

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    • Fun but it would really change things.

      Then it would be Creek/Muscogee Indian language from the Southeast U.S.

      Dappled in loincloth and feathers? Interesting but deeply disturbing. Do we want to go there?

      Totally dark territory for me.

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      • dappled

        It's always about the loin with you, isn't it? :P

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        • Well....uh....pretty much.

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  • Religion requires faith, not proof.

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  • SpoiltCandy

    trust me you're not christian, the definition of christianity is based on the fact to believe in God and if you don't well you're not christian sorry to tell you that.

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