Is it normal to feel conflicted about gay marriage?

This is always a matter of hot debate, we can all agree.

On the one hand, I'd like all people to have the same rights when it comes to love and marriage, and not suffer from discrimination. Those are basic human rights after all.

On the other hand, I think being gay is unnatural, and biologically a dead end (gay - no mating - no offspring - genetic dead end). If being gay was the norm, then humanity would've died off long ago.

Are others of two minds about this?

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  • anti-hero

    What is to be conflicted about? What grown adults do with their personal lives is none of anybody's damn business.

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  • q25t

    Being gay is unnatural? Nope. Homosexuality is found in many different species apart from humans and sometimes play a vital role in the mating process even.

    Biologically a dead end? Not really. A trait need not lead to reproduction to continue on genetically. As a society, much of the time we have too many children to take care of as it is and so the influx of more potential parents without reproductive capabilities would actually be advantageous.

    Besides all that, what is the problem if something is unnatural or biologically a dead end? Nearly everything the human race does is unnatural to some extent and if something is biologically a dead end that would just mean that we wouldn't have the problem soon enough anyways.

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  • howaminotmyself

    Being gay does't turn off your reproductive organs. And plenty of straight couples are infertile. So biology doesn't work as an argument for me. It just means monogamy won't create offspring.

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    • handsignals

      Every human being was created by a man and a woman.

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      • howaminotmyself

        But marriage is not required to create new life.

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      • GreyWulfen

        This is no argument. Do you support polygamy? Because it would be way more efficient in terms of reproducing than monogamy.

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  • homosexuality is necessary for population control. We have enough people having kids already, I don't think its unnatual that %2 of the population are gay and won't have kids.
    Also you can find homosexuality in any species of animal.
    However I don't understand what the big deal of marriage is or why anyone would ever want to get married gay or not.

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  • Charmo

    Glasses are unnatural.
    People who wear glasses shouldn't marry.

    Menopausal women cannot reproduce.
    Menopausal women shouldn't marry.

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  • thr

    I dislike the argument of it being unnatural. The way you argue, it seems like the continued existence of the human species is objectively good and important, and since something, unnaturally, goes against keeping the human species on this planet, then it is bad.

    I view things differently, I don't think it is objectively important that humanity continues to be here for a number of generations in the future. We are here now, and while we're here, it would be fine if gays could be married like everybody else.

    I could also say that communicating over the internet is unnatural.

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    • robbieforgotpw

      Heterosexuals care about their offspring and want the best for them, but homosexuals can't produce offspring so they don't care if there is a future?

      A little selfish? ?

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      • GreyWulfen

        Why is it selfish? There are also heterosexual couples that don't want children. Should you deny their marriage, too?

        Also, being against gay marriage won't change this...

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      • TheBunnie

        I could care less if they can produce offspring or not. There's always been gay people regardless of whether or not they were able to get married, and the world's overpopulated anyway.

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      • thr

        I'm not quite sure what you mean, or what you think I mean.

        I'm not saying anything about how much homosexuals care about the future.

        And selfishness depends on other things than caring about there being a future.

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  • imadragon

    Being gay does not only happen to humans.

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    • Gays aren't human.

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      • imadragon

        You right, they are sweet strawberries.

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  • iin

    Gays have been around forever, unfortunately they have had to hide themselves for fear of persecution...even now it's still not as welcoming as I hope one day it can be....so being gay will never be the 'norm'. Never has been, never will. There will always be heterosexuals to carry on the human race, we are already over populated, so don't worry about that. With that being said, my opinion is no, no it is not normal. I don't understand the debate. Two people love eachother, they sgould have the right to make that commitment. But it does piss me off they get tax deductions, they as in married people in general. Like wtf, not fair haha. Seriously though, life is too short, it's hard enough controlling your own life, so why bother trying to control someone elses? There are so many heterosexuals that can't even make those vows and stick to them, so if the gay people love eachother enough to want to make those vows and take them seriously, why should anyone get in the way of that? Peace, love, equality, man!

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  • mixwell

    I dislike the fact that gays try to overly express it and there are parades etc for gays when there isn't really anything celebrating large groups of people who are married.

    Hell I say let them get married and deal with all the bullshit a man and woman go through. Don't forget about prenups and alimony and everything else that comes with divorce like every marriage that ends entails.

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  • GuessWho

    I support only the second half of your argument.
    "If being gay was the norm, then humanity would've died off long ago."
    There's no need to make provision for those that choose to do things the wrong way.

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  • Joyful

    As a christian i don't support people being gay! BUT it is not up to us to judge gay people or non Christians it is gods job (it says this in the bible). Leave gay people alone they are human beings and part of the human population they deserve to have their rights.

    It is however our job to live our lives in gods ways (if you call yourselves christian) by: following gods commandments and showing the fruit of the spirit; charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity.

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  • Riddler

    Living in concrete/brick houses is not normal either, Neither is the internet, neither is using an oven, neither is asking permission to have sex, Neither is being a vegetarian, neither is making friends with creature we could be eating, Neither is weapons of mass destruction.

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  • nakedman

    im gay nd uve hurt my feelings- ive adopted plus anyway it is the norm as we r genetically born like it

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  • baronroderick

    Being gay may not be the norm, but IT IS NATURAL. Homosexuality occurs in over 500 species, including birds, mammals, insects, reptiles, even fishes. It occurs in every human culture, in every place and every time; just there are cultures/religions which condemn it and others which embrace or are indifferent to it. By the way, while homosexuality is so widespread in the animal kingdom, homophoby occurs in just one species, Homo sapiens. Just go study some biology and genetics before saying something is or is not natural.

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  • GreyWulfen

    "If being gay was the norm, then humanity would've died off long ago." That's bullshit!

    1. Being gay is not the norm and it will never be. I don't even see how this is a point against gay marriage? It's just a "what if..."-case.

    2. Gay people are as fertile as straight people are, so they could make children easily. I think, even a completely gay society wouldn't be an "evolutionary dead end".

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  • robbieforgotpw

    What happened to them only wanting civil unions? They can have that. But don't try to change the definition of traditional marriage which has always been reserved for one man and one woman.

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    • dom180

      This argument has never made any sense to me. What is so terrible about changing the definition of marriage? People talk about it as if changing the definition of a word is evil, but if that is really the best argument against marriage then your argument has no legs at all.

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      • robbieforgotpw

        At one time civil union was an acceptable term. What happened? Why can't they be satisfied with that? Why encroach on the natural institution God created?

        Marriage has always been between one man and one woman. You can't just change thousands of years of society norms at your whim. I think calling it gay marriage would even be acceptable as long as it's qualified. But marriage and gay marriage should never be confused. They simply are not the same thing and never will be.

        This is a spiritual matter and if people don't share the same spiritual foundation they probably won't feel the same as me.

        On a side note: I've seen you defend Islam and you have to know they dont condone same-sex marriage.

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        • q25t

          "Why encroach on the natural institution God created"

          And this is why there is even an argument in the first place. Marriage is a civil ceremony extending well beyond Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, or any other religion. In Ancient Rome, there were occasionally gay marriages as well, condoned by the temples.

          Also, if you want to go with traditional marriage, then we need to make polygamy legal, force rape victims to marry their rapists, and have women subservient to their wives.

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          • Ellenna

            Funny typo that one! EVERYONE should be subservient to their wives, yeah, even women!

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        • dom180

          I'm sure some Muslims do condone same sex marriage :P

          So long as marriage changes a person's legal rights it is a legal institution first and a religious institution second. Marriage effects people's legal rights (tax, ease with which someone can adopt a child and ability to make medical decisions on the behalf of their partner and more are rights which hinge on marital status), therefore it is primarily a legal matter irrespective of spirituality.

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        • GreyWulfen

          "Marriage has always been between one man and one woman."

          No, it has been like this since the catholic church said so. Back in ancient greece, there existed something you could call "gay marriage".

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    • thr

      Maybe, they would feel like a more accepted and equal part of society, if it were not called a civil union, but marriage.

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      • robbieforgotpw

        Maybe but you would be changing something that's been in place since the creation of mankind. Traditional marriage is the foundation of all civilization. You don't just change it on a whim. It won't mean anything then. Just be content with civil unions and that half the population supports it. I live by biblical principles but I understand others do not.

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        • GreyWulfen

          "Traditional marriage" is an invention of the catholic church, just to say...

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