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Is it normal to strongly dislike people that have unprotected sex, get pregnant, get an abortion and then go back to having unprotected sex? I just get all depressed everytime I hear about the same person in my family having an abortion over and over.
Yes, they treat abortion as if it's some sort of contraception, which is stupid. It really isn't. People like that worry me, because an abortion should never be an easy decision, yet they act like it is.
totally this.
I think they should have escalating costs...the first abortion as normal, a second costs double of what the first cost, the third costs 4 times as much, the 4th 8 times as much, etc...lets see how long it takes for people to learn :P
Oh? And what about somebody who has one abortion and is later raped? What about people in abusive situations where they're repeatedly sexually assaulted (this sometimes happens with abusive family members)? What about people whose birth control just happens to fail multiple times (which is inevitably going to happen sometimes, when you consider how large the population of people using birth control is)? What about people who are trying to have children, but who repeatedly have fetuses that aren't viable? These are all things that happen. There are lots of reasons to have multiple abortions.
and it is well to make exceptions for them.
In specific cases, i actually agree with wigsplitz that it should be free courtesy of medical coverage.
For example when you were raped or sexually assaulted. It would also encourage actually going to the police and speaking up, then, rather than silent suffering.
Same thing if the fetuses aren't viable, then it's a doctor confirming you are actually in need of one.
The problem mainly lies with people that just use it as a form of contraception, and THOSE are the ones that should pay. Specific cases beyond their control will, as mentioned above, end up with either a police officers or a doctors confirmation that the abortion is, indeed, needed.
As for birth control failing multiple times: Na, i'm not buying it. 15 Years ago, the pill may have been unstable enough for that...but today, it's nigh impossible if you take it as instructed(that is, don't forget, don't drink until you vomit, don't have illnesses with stomach). Alas, if you, for example, have an illness and are not sure, there's always the fallback to condoms, which are, if properly used, also 100% safe. I used PLENTY of them in my life, and they never once broke on me. And even if they DID, there's the "morning after pill"...
Now, as said, slipping up once or twice, i can see happening, also as you said with statistics, but anything beyond that, you better sue your gynecologist or urologist and take back the money for the abortions from him/her, or accept that one's too stupid to properly use birth control and paying an "idiot tax" for that. As for using "convenience methods" that last a longer time, such as hormone implants, spiral, and the sort, yeah, they don't have a 100% coverage. But you are informed of that when you decide, and then you ARE gambling. It's like saying "oh, but he pulled out, and now i'm pregnant?"
I know what you mean, and on most of the reasons you listed, i agree, and apologize for generalizing before, but in regards to the "target audience" i referred to, i'll stick by what i suggested...
With a large enough population, things that are "nigh impossible" will happen sometimes. My mom had two babies on the pill, actually. I'm one of them.
yeah, but as i mentioned above(just to prove i am not just refuting you here):
15 years ago, the pill may still have been unstable enough for that to happen.
Not any more, they are WAY more advanced nowadays. If you are of legal age to be here, those pills were likely about 20 years ago, or more.
The thing is, lots of our laws and rulesets are limiting to individuals because they are focused on the majority.
It's unfortunate, but thats how the system works. If 1 person is as unlucky that this "nigh impossible" thing happened to her and she is charged wrongly, but at the same time 5000 people are charged rightfully, i'll gladly take that risk.
I also already paid a traffic ticket for speeding, when i know for CERTAIN it was not me speeding(i always drive quite a bit slower than even allowed on "highways"). Does that mean i suggest speeding should be allowed, because i was unfortunate enough to draw the short straw? Na, because on the whole picture, it still makes a lot more sense to punish all the people acting like that willfully and accept a few innocents will have to bite it. *shrug*
oh, and "birth control is not as accessible in a first world nation as abortions are" TOTALLY makes sense. NOT.
what, because some slut is too lazy to get on the pill and her idiot boyfriend too stupid to use a condom it's fine to use abortion as contraceptive?
Not even mentioning morning-after pills for accidents like a broken condom?
Everybody can slip once or twice, but if your there for the third or fourth time, thats a habit.
Yu shouldn't judge people like that. You don't know their situation. It's also not an easy decision (most of the time). You're being cruel and not thinking of all the different circumstances that would require such a decision.
It's true, i don't know their situation, and i definitely HOPE it's not an easy decision.
But i don't think i'm overly cruel...as said, i am for the option to choose, and i know even if you don't intend, circumstances or accidents can cause you to become pregnant in situations in which you can't have a child.
However, if you slipped up more than twice, then something is most likely wrong. And there are people that do "serial abortions"...or just don't care...they have unprotected sex as they please, and if something goes wrong, they go for an abortion...possible damage doesn't matter as they won't have children anyway.
I have to pay for my birth control pills. There's also been months in which i only had sex with condoms with guys. Still took them, just in case. That there's people out there that don't want to "waste a couple bucks" on birth control and rather take their chances...over and over again...just enrages me.
Heck, even if you can't get condoms for free(which is possible in just about EVERY civilized country i know), or have no money for even birth control, then try having sex only on the safe days and pull out. It's not AS reliable as proper birth control, but many people don't even care about that. They know they just had their ovulation and still do it normal with cumming inside.
If that comes across as judging harshly, its possibly because i, myself, am worrying and caring about these things and taking steps, and i see people around me that go so casually about this.
no its not normal for you to get upset. It's none of your fucking business whether or not somebody gets an abortion. Why do you get depressed? What are you? A pussy? Just chill the fuck out and have a smoke.
Why cant people just masturbate? I dont understand what the fucking problem is? Its totally disease free, no chance of getting pregnant, and its something you can do whenever you want, plus for us guys its alot cheaper then dating.
Have you ever HAD sex? It's MUCH more satisfying then just masturbating let me tell you.
You must not, at least not good sex anyway. IMO sex feels 100000x better then just wanking it, I wasn't trying to be an ass, I was just asking, no reason to be butt hurt bro.
Sorry man sex and masturbation result in the exact same thing happening to me, AND its the exact same thing for you as well. An orgasm.
Now you may THINK its different just because you are with a female (or male not judging) but physiologically speaking its the exact same result.
And with masturbation I dont need to spend money with no guarantee of a return on my investment, I dont need to pretend to be interested in the boring things the female is talking about AND I dont need to worry about unwanted pregnancy or diseases.
I also didnt even mention the nonsense you have to go through in just trying to MEET another single female either.
That's stupid as hell.
I have family members that do that. My grandma did that and because of it, my Mom was born unable to walk.
But besides that, I am pro-choice but they are hurting themselves and showing blatant disregard for life and procreation. The same offices that generally provide abortions can also provide resources like birth control. I hardly have pity for people who do not seek out these resources and get pegged with pregnancy.
One abortion is a difficult decision. Two abortions is very bad luck in deed but any more than that is simply negligence. Abortion may be safe in clinical settings, but that does not absolve all of the risks. It harms your fertility and puts your future children at greater risk for miscarriage and birth defect. Give a little bit of a shit about yourself, you know?
"It harms your fertility and puts your future children at greater risk for miscarriage and birth defect"
Myth.
I almost want to believe that.
My cousin has had 3 and is still getting pregnant.
Wigsplitz is right somewhat in that its sort of a myth that it increases your risk of miscarriage and birth defect, that belief is a holdover from the 19th and early 20th centuries when wire coat hangers were used for abortions which most definitely caused damage during the procedure.
BUT, that being said I still think to some degree getting several abortions has to have some sort of negative effect regarding future fertility possibilities, but who knows with medical science today.
No. Yes it shouldn't have happened in the first place (most of the time) but shit happens and decisions must be made. What's the alternative? The kid grow up in squalor, on welfare? Or is born to a parent or parents who don't want it? Or a single parent that is on drugs? Rape? Incenst? Take the good with the bad.
Nwesflash.....in the US, birth control is not as accessible as you may think. It's expensive, it's not covered by insurance (well, that's coming...but it hasn't been)....Viagra was approved to be paid for by insurance years before birth control.
My insurance covers my bc. Also, you can get bc from planned parenthood locations for $12 for the first visit and for free afterwards, last time I checked. It's getting easier and easier to prevent pregnancy, people just don't want to make that decision I guess :/.
I wouldn't say most.....did you know that some pharmacists refuse to sell it as well? It's their personal beliefs, they flat out refuse. My last insurance company refused to pay for it, as do many others.
Really? That's ridiculous. People look at birth control as a bad thing, like it automatically means the girl / woman is sexual active (even though that's not a bad thing). They forget that it helps with periods, lessening the flow..stabilizing / regulating. It's a shame.
Well if you can afford abortions, surely you can afford a pack of condoms. I've no idea how much an abortion actually costs, I'm just assuming they're pretty pricy.
That woman must be very lazy due to the fact she refuses to take a bloody pill on a daily basis.
I,too am against abortions. I hate it when people use them as contaception, but lets not forget that these women do not get peregnant on their own so how about some blame for both parties here. xx
Yeah. Im prochoice. But more than once is lamely irresposible. But admittedly better than such a lame-o procreating.
Well it's probably better than the alternative of those people having the children.... but if you can afford all those abortions, why not just spend that money on birth control instead?
Abortions are free for lower income where I'm from, they should be free everywhere.
and HOW exactly would that be better than free birth control everywhere?
(which, in case of condoms, also prevents many STD's?)
It wouldn't necessarily be better, depending on your stance on it, so lobby for free birth control everywhere then. Are you in Africa right now handing out condoms and pills, or even donating to the cause anywhere, anyhow? Didn't think so. Sit on your comfy chair and complain and do nothing about it, as usual.
oh, and you are improving the world from your comfy chair by bringing abortions to Africa?
Trying to bring STD's under control by handing out free condoms is actually quite a widespread program in Africa, courtesy of their governments and, as far as i know, both the EU and US.
The question was how free abortions(what you propagated) would somehow be better than free birthcontrol.
Also, if ONE of those is free to the people, i can assure you the birth control one would be cheaper to set up and maintain.
Rape is more common than money in Africa, and if you bother to check into the legality of abortion, which in many countries is NOT legal OR accessible, even in cases of rape.....do you really think the rapists are using condoms? Common sense would tell you that the AIDS rate there alone proves otherwise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law#Africa
How about this: it's none of your goddamn business what kind of protection other people use, whether they get pregnant, or how they deal with it if they do. Was that so hard?
Don't feel bad. Their vaginas are probably RIDDLED with STD's.
Mother nature has its own way of compensating.
All though I am against abortions as far as I am concerned it's murder (plain and simple) but in regards to your comment about their vaginas being riddled as it takes a man and women to get pregnant I take it that the would be fathers of these lost inocent uncorropt children should have their equipment (penis) ravished with STD 's too right! How about a fair balance here' please. xx