Is it normal to be jealous of white people as a muslim?

I'm a muslim guy living in western Europe and every single day of my life I'm confronted with the fact that my life will never be as fun as that of the ''real'' Europeans. Especially during summer, their lives just make me green with envy. I'm sat here ouside, looking at all these liberated women in front of me, wearing whatever (skimpy) clothes they like, and showing their hair and beauty...
My non-muslim peers are probably throwing some kick-ass party with girls and beer present. Lol they drink alcohol and think nothing of it, and rightly so. We consider it a sin to drink alcohol. And don't get me started on sex for pleasure.
I just wish I was born a non-muslim. Muslims just don't know how to enjoy life. It creates a lot of frustration, especially sexual frustration. And things like Ramadan only make it worse .
I'm not even a muslim, really. I just fake being one, so I don't get disowned by my parents. Besides, I'd lose my entire group of muslim friends.

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  • Ellenna

    You weren't "born muslim", your parents and their religion made you into one: you can unmake that if you really want to, not easy I know, but it's not inevitable that you remain in a religion you didn't choose and which make so unhappy.

    I'll bet there are websites and support networks for former muslims: I hope you can find them and free yourself

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    • eggnog1212

      I know I wasn't ''born'' a muslim, nobody is born a muslim, a christian or anything. Every human being is born with a blank slate, so to speak. I just meant to say that guys like are unfortunate enough to be born into a muslim family while others are not. Such is the lottery of life.
      The question was about jealousy, though, but thanks for the advice nonetheless.

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      • Ellenna

        Maybe I didn't made my point clearly enough: given that you were taught to be muslim, you can unteach yourself. I'm speaking as someone who was raised as a fundamentalist christian and is now atheist.

        I don't see how you could not be envious of people with more freedom when yours is so severely curtailed by your own upbringing, but you can change that, admittedly with some difficulty and family and community disharmony.

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        • eggnog1212

          It's not the unteaching myself part that's hard. I've never been religious, so there was no transition into atheism. I wonder what your story is? However, I am coerced into observing the many rituals that are part of islam. As long as you are in the presence of fellow ''muslims'', you are kind of silently pressured into carrying these out.

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          • Karmasbitch

            Fuck peer pressure, man.

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          • Ellenna

            My story is that for some reason I was the questioning one out of three children of rigid fundamentalist christians and their answers to my many (probably annoying but challenging) questions didn't convince me to continue to follow their beliefs. By the time I was in my mid-teens I'd decided I was an agnostic and was totally opposed to any form of spirituality for many decades, then dabbled in wicca and goddess spirituality for a while, now regard myself as atheist while still conceding there are a lot of unexplained things in the universe which may have some sort of spiritual explanation.

            I guess your choices are clear: continue as you are, which is a decision to do nothing or work out how to get out from under ..... neither easy, I know. Good luck to you, it can't be easy for you but I'll bet you're far from alone

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  • LizardSkin

    Islam is a filthy religion.

    Some of the “prophet” Muhammad’s crimes include: mass beheadings, jihad against the Jews for declining Muhammad’s attempt to convert them, taking women as slaves, rape, pedophilia, robbing caravans, ordering assassinations.

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    • anti-hero

      He was classy that one. Still Jesus, a really good guy gets all the bad press because of his stupid "followers".

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  • ______________

    At least you're in Europe, where you don't get stoned for leaving. My father once conversed with some Muslims who claimed they'd kill their children if they didn't follow Islam.
    Surely if you're old enough you can start living independently? I'd try moving to a different European country, where you can truly drop your act once and for all.
    And, don't let your bad experiences turn you into a gypsysailor ('Daaaym religion be much evil and such bad bcos i dont layk it') - just saying.

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  • RoseIsabella

    I don't blame you. Maybe you can leave, escape to some place far away and leave Islam behind? You deserve better than what the false prophet offers!

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    • thegypsysailor

      Well said!

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      • RoseIsabella

        Thanks!
        :-)

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    • eggnog1212

      All muslims do. I just don't get why they go through so much deprivation for something about which there is no absolute certainty(imho).

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  • thegypsysailor

    Perhaps if you do leave your faith, in time your family will accept you. However, I think it is very important that you remember that this is YOUR life we are talking about. Your one and ONLY guaranteed shot at a life, and you should not live it for anyone else. Your parents and friends have chosen a path that suits them, but obviously not you. Unless you want to be on your death bed regretting all the things you didn't do in life, you need to make a decision.
    Good luck with it.

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    • eggnog1212

      What if my friends have not chosen their path but their path was chosen for them by their parents? What if they're just as jealous as I am?

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  • sega31098

    You do know that being white and being Muslim aren't mutually exclusive? Many Muslims are white, and many Middle Easterners are non-Muslims. And also, most Middle Easterners are technically white.

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  • Unimportant

    Muslim - follower of a set of ideas, namely religion.
    White people - race.

    You know there are white muslims as well, right?

    But yeah, unless people learn to outgrow their religiosity their progress will be impeded, both on an individual and on a collective, social level.

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    • eggnog1212

      I apologize, I guess I just wanted to make the question stand out a little bit. It's just that around here, race and religion are basically grouped together. In that sense, I'm a product of my environment. Strangers are ALWAYS surprised when I tell them I'm not a muslim and vice versa.

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      • Unimportant

        Yeah, unfortunately people like to group race, religion, culture, spirituality and so on together. It is frustrating, I agree.

        But there are quite a lot of people like you who don't really believe in the claims of a religion.
        People who are religious in name only or not religious at all.
        People who would like to be left alone instead of being silently coerced into following pointless traditions.
        I think, if you guys all knew each other, or at least knew about each other's existence, it would begin to remove the stigma from these disaffiliation processes.

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  • Arm0se

    I could have sworn Islam was a religion and not a race... but okay.

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    • eggnog1212

      you're absolutely right, but the reality is that islam in Europe is strongly associated with Arabs and North Africans e.a. How many white muslims do you know? Maybe one? Two, perhaps?

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  • Abartho750TC

    I understand it is very hard to live in a way that does not make you happy... Some religions are more open than yours, and allow those things, that I consider a way of living, but never into the extremes.
    If you like a lot your muslim family and friends, then I guess it will be very hard for you to go against the principles of your religion.
    If you drink alcohol or get intimate with someone will you be consider a not-muslim?

    I am from a east european country too

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    • eggnog1212

      Yes drinking and intimacy are frowned upon. But it's not just sex and alcohol. It's so much more. Muslims are expected to think like all other muslims. There is no room for self-expression, just the mindless obedience to ''God''.

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      • thegypsysailor

        Religion is the opiate of the masses.

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        • mystery7

          And the hate of religion is the opiate of gypsysailor! :-)

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      • snarkygirl

        That's the hive mentality; it's what insects do. Surely humans should be able to rise above behaving like an ant colony;)

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      • RoseIsabella

        Allah.

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  • eggnog1212

    Thanks. I think more and more young ''muslims'' will start to realize that their religion is obsolete, a thing of the past and that it isn't in line with the modern world. Oh and just consider for a moment the sheer idiocy. How can you live in a western country, surrounded by so many unholy/sinful things, while stubbornly trying to stick to your ideology ? Merely living in a non-muslim country should be considered a sin. On top of that, Islamic tradition teaches you to think lowly of non-muslims (''kuffar''), while these ''kuffar'' are the ones that give you education, excellent healthcare, wealth, technology etc.

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  • Caryopteris

    I am so sorry you are feeling like this. I was brought up in a Christian home, and although you probably think all Americans are wild and free, many kinds of Christians are almost as restrained as Muslims. I tried to blend in and tried to do everything to get God to communicate with me and help me, but my supposedly Christian husband wouldn't go to church with me, and we didn't have kids. I could not get comfortable with the Christians and my husband was not careful with money and I finally divorced him after my attention turned to a cute boy. I finally had fun for about 4 years. My current boyfriend is not a Christian. The whole world is going to hell in a handbasket and I think it is ending, so if the Christians are right, it is not good for me. I heard a Christian prophet say that a flood was coming that would cover Florida and the state I live in too and stop at the mountains. God hates us that much because we allow gay marriage, according to the Christians. It is so sad to me if there is a God and he hates his creations for not understanding what he wanted us to do or how to do it. There are so many evil, greedy people trying to destroy the common people that we are just fighting to survive, and now God hates us too.

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  • LoveMyCottonShirt

    Why would you be jealous of the culture that literally did EVERY SINGLE THING of importance or consequence in the last 1,000 years? Oh wait, cause we are superior. Totally normal to be jelly bro.

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  • snarkygirl

    Don't hate yourself for what your culture did, the present and future are up to you! Live as you like as long as you hurt nobody.
    I have a friend who has self loathing over his Arabic-German roots but he is learning to let it go and just be himself .

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  • SerialSinner

    I don't think that happiness are connected to being non-muslim or none religious person or having limits in life, happiness are connected to being yourself whoever you are, being comfortable of what you chose to be.
    You are now spreading this wrong thought about Muslims not being happy because they don't drink and etc, if you are not happy because of that Islamic lifestyle then simply don't follow it and follow whatever you want. There are people who drink and party, some of them are happy and some of them are not, it's the same case in Islam. I live in a European country and I'm having as much fun as the other non-muslims fellows.

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    • eggnog1212

      Look, you obviously didn't get my point. I don't even drink or have sex. All I'm saying is that muslims do not have a lot of choices. There is very little room for self-expression. You said it yourself, that happiness is ''connected to being yourself whoever you are, being comfortable of what you chose to be.'' Well islam precisely hinders that. A happy-looking muslim will tell you he is happy because he has been programmed to say just that. And you say ''then simply don't follow it and follow whatever you want''. You think you can simply stop acting a muslim and your whole community will think it's okay? There are very heavy social and financial repercussions to that. Why do you think there are so few ex-muslims coming out?
      Also, mainly to the people moaning about me confusing race with religion: Do you think those white muslims have been coerced into accepting islam? Do you think they have an entire social system built around them whose purpose it is to keep their faith in check? Nope, that's why they are an entirely different story.
      Besides, do you really think these young muslims in Europe are just different people? That they don't have the same need for individualism, self-expression? It's not like we grow up inside some cultural bubble that is entirely separated from yours. Ofcourse not.
      The only muslims that are genuinely happy people are the ones living in Islamic countries. You know why? Because their neighbors are muslim, and their neigbor's neigbors are muslim too.

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  • notaterrorist

    "I 'm not even a muslim , really . I just fake being one , so I don ' t get disowned by my parents. Besides , I 'd lose my entire group of muslim friends."
    this is pretty much the same reason the people who do that stuff do it. they're scared of losing friends whom they only associate with when partying. it's not as much fun as it's cracked up to be.

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