Is it normal my music career has been so unsucessful?

I've been a musician my whole life. I got my first keyboard as a baby and took music lessons throughout childhood. I started composing music on the computer at 13. Ive been in several bands since my teens including one i was in for 10 years. I have composed hundreds of my own songs and can play almost any insturment. I make all styles of music as well and can play back most songs after hearing them. I have been complimented by several people that i am the best piano player theyve ever heard.
Despite all this, i have made no money. I havent even gotten a gig in 3 years and i will play for free. It's incrediably depressing. I cant seem to get bandmates that are commited either. I know being an artist is hard work but i know people i grew up with who are touring europe and making a decent living. I have put my lifes effort into this but have got nothing out of it.

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  • thegypsysailor

    From someone who made a small fortune in the music industry in the mid 60's; you need to play what the audience wants to hear, in the beginning. For instance; picture a long haired "hippie" looking band being booked to an NCO Club (non commissioned Army officers) in the middle of the Vietnam war, in SF Bay area.
    Disaster for sure; they hated us before we played a note. By the end of the night we had free beers so deep on the stage there was hardly room to play and we played there often, thereafter. We got the idea very quickly to play what they wanted to hear, which was NOT our music.
    Build a talented band. Play lots and lots of local gigs until you build a following that fills the places you play every time. Play at least 5 nights a week; it doubles as practice, but with a live audience. Always judge a new crowd by what songs they got laid to in high school. Then do the same farther and farther afield, playing county fairs, or wherever your "following" will follow. Then a booking agent will get you going on more gigs. DO NOT SIGN WITH A LABEL OR AGENT until you are very, very tight and versatile.
    As your popularity grows, begin inserting your own compositions into the sets. Do not allow your ego to over rule your business sense. Do what you must to get popular, then be true to your musical ethics.
    Instant success; in three or 4 years.

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  • dom180

    Well, define unsuccessful. I think it's pretty well known that music is a rubbish career if you want to make much money. It's not a job in the traditional sense, it's a vocation. You're quite likely to be depressed if the only way you measure your success is by how much money you made as opposed to the quality of the art you've created and the satisfaction of expressing yourself.

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    • I realize most musicians dont make it big, but many of them do make some money. I wasnt just talking about money either. I want to play shows and have more reliable band members instead of teaching someone the songs only to have them quit. I do promote myself alot and pass out my cd's but who really knows if they listen to them. Ive just been doing it for a long time and gotten nowhere while i see other bands do the things i would like to do. I havent been able to hold a normal job due to various health problems, so music is all i got.

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      • RoseIsabella

        How about working as a studio musician to earn a little extra dough? You could probably meet some good people.

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        • I do work in a studio, but that doesnt make me any money either. I pretty much get to use the studio for free in return though.

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  • 1990was30yearsago

    (CONT.)

    1. Spend one ENTIRE day, alone, asking yourself, and visualizing, who the fuck you are, as a person, and a musician. What separates you from others? What stories have you experienced, that no one else has? Perhaps your lack of success, or a story to tell, might be the inspiration for new songs, or an album.

    2. After you've spent that time reflecting, reiterate, to yourself, that YOU WILL NOT -- NEVER WILL -- BE THE HEROES YOU LOOK UP TO. Neither can they be their heroes. The only person you can be is YOU. So play like YOU. Sing like YOU. Don't force the mannerisms of Thom Yorke in your motions and inflections; if the influence is there, embrace that, and let it be a comment on your style.

    3. You've written HUNDREDS OF SONGS. All you need is THREE SONGS, dude. THREE DAMN SONGS. Three, to 10. Whatever. An EP isn't a necessity, but find a few DAMN GOOD songs that you can make as good as fucking possible.

    4. PRODUCE YOUR OWN MUSIC. You know what a music producer is, precisely? They're sort of like the director in film. They work their intuitive skills to help translate the album's message to the listener; he/she has a vision for you, and the end result for the -product-. Being a producer takes an intuitive mind, to hear something once, and think something new -- hear something thrice, and replace it completely with something else, with ONE word to drive the process: WHY.

    5. MIX YOUR OWN MUSIC. Again, why not? Develop these skills to be the best artist you can be. Mixes determine whether or not someone merely hears the music, or is often reminded every 20 seconds that their music is coming through their speakers rather unpleasantly. Imagine yourself, or your band, playing infront of you. Where are the amps, what part of the room are you playing from, etc.?

    Mixing is the 'where' and the 'how' of it all.

    Being your own producer, and mixer, you can now make a decision i'll give an example on: Say you're mixing a vocal. The song's fine how it is, and you're working on the primary element of the song.

    You get an idea, that, this vocal calls for a radio effect. "Yeah, that's cool. I'm feeling that."

    As a mixing engineer, you ask yourself: "how is this sound being created? Is it coming from a radio? A megaphone? A tape player?"

    These are all the little nooks and crannies of it all, that LITERALLY set the stage for your song. There's panning -- the stereo shit; reverb and delay. Proper instrumentation comes before any equalization, etc.

    That is stuff you WANT TO KNOW, because it LITERALLY impairs you as a musician to not be well practiced in the ears. Sound is your forte! Be the sound expert! Practice!!! AND FUCKIN' READ A LOT. LIKE YOU'RE DOING NOW. CAPS.

    As a producer, you ask yourself: "WHY a radio? WHY a megaphone? A tape player... Yeah."

    So you choose the tape player. Why? Let's say this song is perhaps about the past. A message to, or from a passed loved one, or an old friend you cut ties with. Something important, left behind.

    As a producer, you'd decide on an old tape effect! To create that imagery. Because, an old, perhaps busted tape could invoke THE REMINISCENT FEELINGS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SONG, OR PASSAGE. You have your actors on the stage, and their fucking props are there, finally.

    Now, the best part is that, you could choose ANY of the three, because YOU HAVE CREATIVE CONTROL. As a producer, you -question everything-.

    Now, if you APPLY these concepts, you'd make it so much easier for yourself not to rely on flakey fuckwits that don't commit to the work, and spending your money on some plebs who're probably too pleb for you. Mastering isn't appropriate unless you're lady gaga or chris brown or some shit. You're not. I hope you're not.

    Get connections, grow a social web. Don't be afraid to be judged, and heard. The music isn't fully written, until it is heard.

    And the money isn't made. It's given to, by those who enjoy, appreciate, and believe in what you're saying, and feeling. Free music via internet only VALIDATES that appreciation and support all the more, if they are to pay for it.

    But, no matter what, an applause, handshake, hug, and a few laughs and smiles... that's the most precious thing.

    That's the most important fucking thing.

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    • Thanks for the advice.
      I can say I already do most of that though.
      I do produce and write my own music and I don't have any problem with song writing or anything that has to do with making the songs.
      The problem I seem to have is connections. I have trouble maintaining reliable live band members and don't seem to have very good management skills. I have no idea how to book shows and have asked bars to play there but they don't seem to take me seriously. I do give out demos and people who hear my music usually like it but I would imagine most demos I give out aren't listened to.
      I have no problem with creativity but I do have a trouble business wise.

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      • 1990was30yearsago

        Or, maybe it's there and i can't see it. IDK. Anyway!

        It's great that you explore beyond the performance of the music.

        Connections definitely are important! Booking a show at some ol' bar or club that don't know you, verses doing so at a place where you are known, makes the biggest difference.

        Perform open mic, man. Go to an unfamiliar bar and do open mic. Talk with people there; go back and do it again. Establish something between you and the people that go there. Based on what you've told me, i'm sure your performances'd be pretty enjoyable, dude.

        All you need is for one of their good customers to be like, 'man, you were pretty fuckin' awesome up there!'

        "And they'll tell two friends, and they'll tell two friends", etc., etc.

        One of those friends possibly being a bar manager.

        Now, about that demo shit. Okay, maybe they forget your demo after having listened to loads and already deciding on their band.

        Now, it doesn't just need to be a cute, little CD and there ya go.

        You can put a little time into how you'd like to present your demo to them.

        Like i said: three or so of some great songs you've got under your belt. First track being your very best. 2nd, perhaps, being one of your favorite covers of a well-known song, so they know you can do covers, too (and that you at least enjoy them as well, and are willing to play covers).

        Secondly, you want your band/on-stage name (and email) written on the CD (you wanna make sure they don't mix your CD with the others), and put it in a RED SLEEVE, with . It'll stick out like a sore thumb. A really red, sore thumb.

        Name, phone number, email, etc., that's how they'll know you're not bullshitting around.

        Aside from that, you have strong characteristics -- musically -- that people would like in a session musician, or a live local/touring musician. Someone who can play multiple instruments, who can be that go-to guy for when there's no piano expert around, or if the bassist has montezuma's revenge.

        That'll show you're reliable, and hell, if you find anyone with a particular talent/personality you're interested in, and synergize with, then fuckin' ask 'em!

        Tell 'em you've got a project, and songs for it, and that you'd like to include them 'cause they're the kind of guy you're lookin' for. Maybe they'll dig in, maybe not.

        At least you asked. Leave no stone unturned

        The art of networking is simply this: knock on every door. Play infront of people, whether it's a booked gig or not. Talk to the people, and the bar's managers/musicians in particular.

        Have information down so they can contact you, no hassles.

        Do this until you've got a lather. Rinse and repeat.

        And stay indie, until you got the business of music down.

        It's much more efficient to sell 1,000 to 5,000 records, and make the full 10-20$ for each and every one of those albums (do the math. lots of money for so few, right?) than to sell 10x that and have a record label own your name and your 'product', giving you only the afterbirth, and not the big baby.

        Besides, it's also even MORE efficient, to have a concentrated, dedicated fanbase that'll buy not only your albums, but your shirts, and any deluxe packages that you pull out of your ass that they'll consider to be their holy grail.

        Look at almost any big musician. They got fuckin' hits. But then look at their albums. They got hits, but probably other songs nobody wants to listen to, so they buy the individual songs on Itunes for a buck.

        Yeah. Screw that.

        Anyway, man, i hope that information was more encouraging and helpful than the other information.

        If ANYTHING, if you get tired of bands, and playing with other musicians, go solo, figure out how you can make it work live, for the music you could do as a solo artist.

        Question every option.

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        • Yes, I do need to get merchandise. I have about 10 albums but whenever I give them out they're on CD-R's with the album name written in sharpie.
          Perhaps part of my problem is I have no money. I had shirts once for a band I was in but there were only about 50 shirts made. Other than that I go to events and pass out CD-R's. I should probably get some printing machine so they look more legit.

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          • 1990was30yearsago

            That's a mid-term sort of thing. Merch comes after you've established your music's direction, who's banded with you, etc.

            Merch is a plus. Your core product (the music) comes first. Before you worry about making copies of ANYTHING, you want to focus on the one thing that your T-shirts, your hats and what have you, are representing.

            An EP, or LP, that you're proud of, so you won't ever regret the financial choices you make regarding the support of your music.

            If you got 10 albums and you're an aspiring performing artist, people'd surely be overwhelmed by that thought alone, and not take you seriously.

            What you've gotta do, is take all your absolute favorite songs from those albums perhaps. The best ones. They can be 2 minute pops, to 8-minute epics, as long as they can make up a coherent collection of music as a single piece of work, being the album.

            Decide for yourself, that, this project you're working on, is -THE- project. You won't settle for less. You can't.

            Write down your style, and whos' styles you'd like your sound to reflect upon. Put your own spin on it, just as long as it ain't 100% ripping off anyone.

            Make it happen, and record these songs from these albums, in the context that they now belong together. Maybe they're all in different styles, i don't know, but you get the idea.

            All this shit has to happen, and in the meantime, make friends with people around the place. You -need- those connections, so that when you release that album you've worked so much on, you got people to give a few FREE copies to, so that they can share them with THEIR friends.

            Yeah. Free.

            Humbly accept payment for performing live, but also treat it all like a pinata party at the end.

            "HERE'S YOUR FREE EPs NIG-NOGS! TAKE THEM, SHARE THEM, POOP TO THE MUSIC, I DON'T CARE. THANK YOU."

            If you need references, regarding selling music, promoting it, or if you need a website to shelf your music, go to CDbaby.com. They got a really cool podcast, and plenty of other sources of enlightenment about this shit.

            If possible, bro, i'd like to hear your stuff, man. Maybe i just might have a some friends that'll be into the music you make.

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      • 1990was30yearsago

        Yeah dude. My first entry was about that, but for some reason, it sent through, but didn't save. Sorry, man.

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  • 1990was30yearsago

    "I have composed hundreds of my own songs and can play almost any instrument."

    Go solo.

    "I make all styles of music as well and can play back most songs after hearing them. "

    Be a studio musician; be a live musician for your friends who're touring europe. There's money in both these options, and doors that can open for you.

    "Despite all this, i have made no money. I havent even gotten a gig in 3 years and i will play for free."

    "I have no money."

    "I will play for free"

    You're not obligated to play for free. Nobody will make that call but you. All venues will more in likely expect to pay the performer, unless you live in music abundant places you have to PAY to perform at ('cause everybody wants that damn stage, right?)

    " I have been complimented by several people that i am the best piano player they've ever heard."

    Ask yourself if you think you're the best you can be.

    Most importantly, NEVER -- EVER -- answer to: Pianist, Guitarist; Drummer, Bassist; Singer, whatever.

    You are a musician. There's a fine line between an 'instrument player', and a MUSICIAN.

    Send us your Soundcloud or something. Do you have music for us to hear? If not, you've got a long way to go, still.

    If you ever do get your foot forward, go indie, and remain indie until you've invested a lot of your time in developing the knowledge to HAVE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN MUSIC.

    Signing to a record label will cut your profits; they promote you, they sell to the masses, and most importantly, -YOU GET HEARD!-

    An album sells from 10-20$. Bound to a label, you obtain a minor portion of that; your music, is now THEIR product.

    Now, if you're your own boss, you can sell 1,000 CDs/vinyls, and you will make FULL. FUCKING. PROFIT.

    A label sells you 50,000 albums, you might make a nifty bit, but what you get is the afterbirth, not the big baby.

    Sell 5,000 albums ALONE, with FULL ownership of the product, that easily nails you 50,000-100,000$, not including expenses.

    You know all your instruments, you know how to build a song from the ground-up; you've got chops, and maybe you can sing(?).

    What's keeping you from taking the reins?

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  • StJaimi

    Dude, no one wants to listen to good music anymore, they just want generic crap that they can listen to without using their brain cells. Don't take it personally.

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    • That does seem to be a big part of the problem.

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  • sega31098

    Try better advertising.

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  • shuggy-chan

    my best advice, would be to send your music to other forms of media like Indie video games developers. Good music in a cult hit in an indie game could get your name out there and maybe help? just a thought

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