Is it normal i think we should get rid of consent laws?

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The consent laws are stupid. 18 is when you are a legal adult but the consent law is sometimes younger. However despite the consent law in some areas they can still arrest you. Which is idiotic. You can consent at 16 in some places but if you are with someone 18 the 18 year old can still be arrested for statutory if the parents want to push it. I think we should just move all these laws to 18. The consent law being 18, drinking law should be 18, and all adult rights to 18. Consent laws are really pointless.

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bananaface

10 years ago | pl

So do you want to get rid of consent laws or move the consent age to 18? You aren't making a very clear argument to me.

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  10 years ago
  
  I mean that we get rid of consent laws. They are used to give consent when you are underage. I am saying just give everyone all these rights at 18. At 18 you are 18 and the consent laws are not really relevant anymore since parents can no longer control you. Its like work permits. At 18 you dont need a work permit.
  
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  - davesumba
    
    10 years ago
    
    You still seem to be contradicting yourself, but I think I understand. You want there to be an implied consent law of 18, but nothing in writing.
    
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  - Sog
    
    10 years ago
    
    You are misunderstanding the way that the law works.
    
    "Consent Laws" refer to laws that make it so that minors cannot consent. It's not any kind of exemption or permit - it's the exact opposite of that.
    
    "Statutory Rape" is a crime that arises from the fact that a minor cannot consent to sexual activity with an adult. So even if a 14 year old wants to have sex with her 18 year old friend, due to the consent laws it is treated as if the sex was against her will. Consent laws make it so that the state cannot recognize her voice that said, "I wasn't raped, I actually wanted to do this. I allowed this to happen."
    
    The reason that consent laws vary from state to state is that (assuming you are in the USA), the Constitution does not say anything about this matter. The power to legislate these rules is reserved for each state. And because each state government is acting independently, each likely has a slightly different way of looking at the issue, and as a result the laws will vary.
    
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  - [Old Memory]
    
    10 years ago
    
    "However despite the consent law in some areas they can still arrest you"
    
    No, if you're over you're over. That's what a consent law is for in the first place you crazy pile of fudge packed fecal matter.
    
    And as for getting rid of consent laws. No, because that's crazy for alot of reasons. The least of which being a pedo wonderland. They could rape kids and say they consented, and this would have to be taken seriously because the child was "legal". You'd end up having drawn out child vs pedo trials, just like rape cases where the rapist says she's lying.
    
    You are retarded, good day to you.
    
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    - Anonymous Post Author
      
      10 years ago
      
      No if only adults can consent to sex that means minors of ANY age are off the child. Since they have no legal right or ability to consent.
      
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      - [Old Memory]
        
        10 years ago
        
        That's still shit wack tickle tack buddy.
        
        Myself and most others I know started having sex at 14-15 and I would have gone mental if I had to wait until I was an adult. I still can't look at adult virgins without thinking WTF.
        
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        YouKnowWho
        
        10 years ago
        
        You're such an idiot. No one should even have sex, but if they do, let's hope they're doing it because they think it's an expression of love. I doubt that 14-year-olds really LOVE their S.O., so you and your friends probably did it with just anyone because you're too animalistic to be able to use your mind to control your body. There's absolutely nothing wrong with virgin adults.
        
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        Anonymous Post Author
        
        10 years ago
        
        So you are saying that adults should be having sex with 14 year olds? Is it really that hard to find someone your own age? You know its sad if an adult only goes after 14 year olds because they are too big of losers to find someone their own age. Thats an awfully pathetic excuse. You must be a very sad excuse for a man.
        
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GuessWho

10 years ago

I do not agree that consent laws are pointless, but I do agree that it should be set at 18.

Whichever way it goes, people shouldn't fuck before they're adults in the first place.

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ObsessedWithReedus

10 years ago

I would have loved the legal consent age to be 13 when I was younger... It didn't work out that way.

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VioletTrees

10 years ago

Wait, wait, wait. I think you mean age of consent laws. Getting rid of *all* consent laws is a very, very different thing.

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  10 years ago
  
  Yes age of consent laws.
  
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KatieLiz

10 years ago

Move the consent law to 18? We have it at 16 in the UK and people struggle to stick to that :p
Ultimately, everyone reaches sexual maturity at different times, but I think 16 is probably a good middle ground.
What we need is better sex education and less peer pressure.

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  10 years ago
  
  Yes but if a 16 year old is with a 18 year old and the parents can still press statutory charges what good is the law? That makes the law ultimately pointless. Also 18 year old going for minors younger is a probobly a peadophile. Having 12 to 18 does not sound normal at all.
  
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  - SuperBenzid
    
    10 years ago
    
    A pedophile is someone that goes for children before puberty. An 18year old sleeping with a 17 and 11 month year old is not an indication of pedophilia, at least to a sane person.
    
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GoraIntoDesiGals

10 years ago

I like my country's consent law at 16. Perfect middle ground.

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Avant-Garde

10 years ago

It is all very silly. You should petition the government. Get it up to the Supreme Court. There's a website called "change.org", this is where a lot of people seem to make their petitions.

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- shuggy-chan
  
  10 years ago
  
  Idk this sounds like a 18/19 year old that just made he can drink or have sex with his underage GF
  
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  - Avant-Garde
    
    10 years ago
    
    That's always possible...
    
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  - Anonymous Post Author
    
    10 years ago
    
    I never said 18 year olds should be able to have sex with minors. I am saying that we should push everything to age 18. Such as drinking, smoking, consent, voting. You are an adult at 18 why should we need consent laws?
    
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ScooterNyne

10 years ago

Yeah I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean but I'll just say this. 18 should be the age of legal fucking. If you are under the age of 18 then it should be illegal for you to fuck anyone. But that's just my opinion.

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  10 years ago
  
  While I believe you could have used better language I agree. However I have no idea how we would enforce such a law. If children are doing each other in private not a lot we can do to stop them. If we put a camera in the room its invading that child's privacy. If we agree to this we are one step away from putting cameras in the toilet to ensure people are not masturbating. So yes I agree people under 18 should not be doing it. I really do not see that as a reasonable law.
  
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Cheese123

10 years ago

"Age of consent laws are designed to protect children and young people from sexual exploitation and abuse. Such laws effectively determine that children and young people below the age of consent do not have the emotional maturity to consent to sexual activities. In relation to sexual abuse charges...the key difference between child sexual assault and adult sexual assault is that adult sexual assault is based on the absence of sexual consent, whereas in child sexual assault, the issue of consent is superseded by age of consent laws (Eade, 2003). An important distinction should be made between "willingness" and "consent". A child may be willing to engage in sexual behaviour; however, as they do not have the psychological capacity to give consent according to law, all sexual interactions between an adult and a person under the age of consent are considered abusive (Barbaree & Marshall, 2006)."

- http://www.aifs.gov.au/cfca/pubs/factsheets/a142090/

Age of consent laws, in other words, help protect kids. I don't know where you live, which is important because the age of consent laws vary all over the world. 16 years of age is considered in my home state (NSW, Australia) to be the appropriate age because sexual and emotional maturity is sufficiently developed in that time. However, kids roughly the same age can explore. As for alcohol laws, 18 years is our starting legal drinking age. Even then, the American 21 is better because alcohol interferes with brain development so much. I hope this helps.

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IDiGAFi

10 years ago

It's a much more delicate matter, an I don't think you understand the complexity of it.

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DolphinAngel

10 years ago

Actually all laws regarding age are bullshit because mental age is way more important for all of those things like consenting, playing video game/watching movies or even drinking...

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  10 years ago
  
  Well yes that’s true to a point. Though there is also experience. However do you think a 40 year old should be able to be with children under 18 based on maturity or in this case its completely irrelevant? At 18 we cant say anything but would you let it drop lower? Based on that logic is a 12 year is supposedly mature enough they can legally have relations with a 40 year old.
  
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handsignals

10 years ago

A woman is at her height of fertility at 14 (mind blown) so why can't she have sex at that age, it's total bullshit.

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- [Old Memory]
  
  10 years ago | pl
  
  I think we can all agree 14 year olds should not be getting pregnant
  
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  - Terence_the_viking
    
    10 years ago
    
    Yes but that doesn't stop them from becomig teen moms though do it?
    
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  - handsignals
    
    10 years ago
    
    so why are girls most fertile at that age, also the older a woman gets the more chance there is of the baby being born with CP. I'm not saying I'm a pedo but nature says that's the age girls should be having babies.
    
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    - Anonymous Post Author
      
      10 years ago
      
      It actually has been proven sexually and psychically women do not finish till 19 and men 21. So while females start puberty at 12 its not like they are finished maturing. So you are incorrect. They are able to get pregnant but it does not mean they are ready to carry children. So having sex with a 12 year old will get them pregnant but it does not mean one of them isn't going to die. So can you explain how you think having children with someone not strong or big enough is responsible or logical if you are wanting offspring?
      
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      - handsignals
        
        10 years ago
        
        I said 14 not 12. Who are the dude from to catch a predator?
        
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        Anonymous Post Author
        
        10 years ago
        
        No but I gladly would be part of such a program. Just because I have a better understanding of the human body you assume that? You really should go educate yourself better in the matter. Its sad you really think that children are finished sexually maturing at that age. If you want to confess something though I would be glad to report you to someone who can better deal with this issue. There is such a thing as internet police. You just have to know where to report the content to. Oh and just for the record if you ask someone if they are the undercover police/personal on the internet I doubt they are really going to answer honestly to that question. There is a difference between women and girls. Women are bigger, taller more developed. A 14 year old is not fully prepared to give birth. So believing being with a 14 year old is nature is crap. Since nature would want us to mate to survive. Not risk killing the mother and child which is clearly ok to you. This thought process does not make sense even by your logic.
        
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  - handsignals
    
    10 years ago
    
    I am going to respond to this one because it got six thumbs up.
    I went to school with a girl who had a baby when she was 15, both her and her baby were 100% healthy before, during and after the pregnancy. She raised the child by her self and now works as a lawyer.
    
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    - [Old Memory]
      
      10 years ago
      
      Because thsts the norm.... Most teenage mothers go through no complications and become lawyers, oh kay
      
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      - [Old Memory]
        
        10 years ago
        
        **sarcasm
        
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      - handsignals
        
        10 years ago
        
        Point your finger at me and label me white trash. Fuck you.
        
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        [Old Memory]
        
        10 years ago
        
        Don't put words in my mouth, I'm in no position to call you names.
        
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        jimrichy
        
        10 years ago
        
        Pathetic loser!
        
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- DolphinAngel
  
  10 years ago
  
  Yay, let stupidity rule the world!
  
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- [Old Memory]
  
  10 years ago
  
  Bull-motherf**king-s**t, goddammit. I do believe it's more along the lines of 19.
  
  Nice try, though.
  
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  - Anonymous Post Author
    
    10 years ago
    
    A 14 is sexually and psychically undeveloped at that age. So even by hand signals logic its still makes no sense.
    
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hairyfairy

10 years ago

The consent laws were made to protect very young girls from dirty minded perverts who would take advantage of them.

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Hugh*Janus

10 years ago

I can agree that the age for sex w/ an adult should be uniform across the entire country but I disagree that it should be 18. I say 16. But a 16 year old shouldn't be able to vote. As for smoke or drink, I say yes at 16.

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jimrichy

10 years ago

Without consent laws it would legal for an adult to have sex with a child. You don't mind that?

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  10 years ago
  
  Without consent laws it would only be allowed for adults to be with other legal consenting adults. Children by law can not consent to sex with an adult. The consent if under 18 is another law added to give more rights to a child that they would not normally have as a minor. So without consent laws it would automatically fall to 18 since that is a legal adult. Its like saying you can not work till 16 UNLESS you work for a family owned business. If you take it away we are only going by the original law. Not the additional consent laws. Consent laws also change within each area.
  
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  - Sog
    
    10 years ago
    
    No, this is not true. I tried to explain this in my other post.
    
    I suggest you read this:
    
    <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent</a>
    
    Most importantly:
    "The age of consent is a legal barrier to the minor's ability to consent and therefore obtaining consent is not in general a defense to having sexual relations with a person under the prescribed age"
    
    Consent laws are not "exemptions" that allow 16-year-old minors to have sex with adults. They are instead restrictions on the minimum age that a minor can legally consent to sex.
    
    Put another way, it's not a "consent if under 18 but over 16" law, it's a "cannot consent if under 16" law.
    
    It is not illegal for a minor to have sex, so without the minimum age restriction set by the consent laws, any minor could have sex with any adult, provided that the minor consents to the sexual behavior.
    
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    - Anonymous Post Author
      
      10 years ago
      
      Yes and without these laws it would just be 18 since that is the age of a legal adult. The consent law varies depending on which area you live. It also can be different in different areas even of the same country.
      
      So for example Texas, Nevada, and California might all have different consent ages but they are within the same country. Despite this even if the child had consented to the behavior the adult can still get arrested for statutory. Which is technically rape but possibly not considered such by the parties involved.
      
      Even if the sex between the parties was agreed upon. I am saying that we should not have these consent laws. That it just makes it illegal for any adult to have any type of sexual relation with a minor. That only adults age 18 and up can consent to sex but it must be with other adults their age. So not to say well the consent law will be 16,15,12, whatever it may be.
      
      So this would illuminate the consent laws. If the child does not have the ability to consent you just committed rape. If you rape a child you go to prison. So I am saying we should remove the ability for children to consent to sexual relations until they are age 18.
      
      Also saying we give all legal rights 18 and over to 18 year olds. So drinking, smoking, voting, and consensual sex be given to 18 year olds.
      
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  - jimrichy
    
    10 years ago
    
    I don't know where you've gotten your information from, but consent law is the only law regarding age and sex. It is the age at which a peron is declared legally able to consent to having sex, anything before that is classed as stutary rape.
    The clue is in the term 'age of consent'. Consent law is essential to protect children from sexual abuse.
    If the consent law states 'you can only have sex when you are (and with) an adult' and the state classes an adult at 16 or 18 or what ever, the consent law is still there. It's essential that the law specifies an actual age (a specific number) as one persons definition of an adult often differs from another's definition.
    
    I hope you understand. I can see a number of people have been trying to explain this to you.
    
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    - Anonymous Post Author
      
      10 years ago
      
      Yes I am talking about the consent law. Also a legal adult is still 18. 16 is not a legal adult and is not seen in court as such. However it will often depend on the crime. If the crime is severe enough they might send them to court as an adult but no 16 is not a legal adult. 18 is a legal adult and that is why the rule for this site is 18. Since overall most areas consider 18 legal adults. I was talking about the consent sex laws.
      
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      - jimrichy
        
        10 years ago
        
        'Most' and 'might' are not absolutes. The definition of what adult age is, is not set in stone, even in the law, and especially in people's subjective views.
        That is why an age of consent is so important.
        
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        10 years ago
        
        Not if legal adults are 18. That was I was saying. 18 is an adult and the consent age varies from 12-17. So I was saying that we illuminate that and just have the right be given to 18 year olds. Making the golden age 18. Legal adults are 18 but consent laws always vary. I think its just simpler saying 18 thats it.
        
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Gumball

10 years ago

What?

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squeallikeasacofpigs

10 years ago

Firstly the US is a complete mess of laws.

But consent laws are there to protect younger people. They basically say when an individual can evaluate a situation and make a rational decision. So for example is an 18 year old dude tried to fuck a 13 year old, it's reasonable to assume that he would be able to coax her, bribe her, or trick her into it, whilst a 16 year old girl would not be so easily manipulated.

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  10 years ago
  
  Consent laws give minors the right to be with an adult regardless of them being a minor.
  
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Shackleford96

10 years ago

I tend to agree, yes. Seems pretty stupid.

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Fabulous

10 years ago

handsignals is really right, 14 is around the age of sexual maturity but 12 is a closer approximation.

Back before about 1915 it was normal to began having sex then, so I don't understand why it's not anymore. The girls supple and succulent body is perfect at that age, much like a tenderly cooked lobster or a fine cheese aged to perfection.

Thats probably the only thing the Nazis got right.

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  10 years ago
  
  Your information is totally inaccurate is why.
  
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- jimrichy
  
  10 years ago
  
  I hope that is some kind of dead-pan humour.
  
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Is it normal i think we should get rid of consent laws?