Is it normal i think psychologists are like lawyers?

Many people attack the field of psychology and say its fake. While I agree most of the field is corrupt I don't think the study of psychology itself is a fake thing.

I know first hand how it works. This is coming from someone who as a child had issues feeling emotionally involved in this world. So I often had to fake it since I was not sure how to react since I often had no feeling to things most people cared about.

Lawyers goal is to win the case and prove a their side right at any cost. One lawyer is trying to prove you did it. One lawyer is trying to prove you innocent at all costs. If you did it or not the lawyer does not care. They simply have a goal. Which I think is a greatly flawed system but I will not get into that in this post.

Now in the past people have tried to discredit another person by doing what they call mudslinging. A lot of times if people cant win an argument on an intellectual level they will simply attack a person.

For people who have issues getting emotional this sometimes throws them off and can make them lose the case. If you are thought to be incompetent or insane a lot of times anything you say is discredited. I can see where things like this would be fun to abuse for some very fucked up people.

Now most psychologists seem to have a hidden agenda. I don't think the entire field of psychology is a lie though. I think most people just decide to join it for the wrong reasons.

Like a lawyer a psychologist usually has one goal. To prove you innocent or to prove you guilty. Now I think many just want to prove you guilty so they can stuff their pockets but some want to prove you innocent and truly want to fix you. Those who want to cure the mentally ill are the only ones who deserve to be considered medical professions the rest are simply politicians pretending to be doctors.

Now you might ask why real doctors don't do this. Their is a simple answer for that. Doctors get paid if you are sick or not. Most people go to the doctor for accidents, for yearly check ups, for shots as children. They really do not have to do anything besides help people. If they save someone they are considered heroes. They don't even need to justify their own jobs.

I put this under the HEALTH section. Since its about Mental Health.

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  • thegypsysailor

    My education was in psychology and though I never practiced, I've used what I learned in dealing with employees my whole life.
    I believe however, that most clinical psychology is much like witchcraft or religion, based on belief rather than the practice.
    Anyone who chooses not to be depressed, for instance, has no need of a psychologist or psychiatrist, but there is nothing any one of those doctors can do if the patient doesn't really want things to change.
    It sounds very simplistic, but it is only the person who can, in fact, do the changing. Nobody can force another person to change.

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  • Cheese123

    An the idea that psychologists are patently like lawyers is also inaccurate. A lawyer is an advocate on behalf of a client because law is such a complex and confusing thing. A psychologist is someone who works with a patient to help them deal with their personal problems.

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    • I was talking more about the goals. Not saying lawyers are the same as psychologists.

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  • charli.m

    People need to take responsibility for their own mental care. If you start seeing a psychologist, you should ask about their methods. Most will plan to space out your treatments at worst (if your situation is one that requires long term management) or at best, phase out treatment. Either way, they should be teaching you self management techniques as their goal is to make you as self reliant as possible.

    It's the patient's responsibility to change psychologist if they feel this isn't the common goal.

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    • Alright but none of this apply to children. Children do not have an option and if parents refuse to take them they can simply remove the child from parents. Since the parent is not giving this child proper medical care. If the parent thinks the methods are bad for the children or not does not really matter either. Children have no rights in medical manners and are not self reliant. So what about them? Also most of these so called doctors do not want a patient to be self reliant. A self relent patient does not make a psychiatrist a lot of money.

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      • charli.m

        Regarding children: the parents are meant to be responsible for their care. I KNEW you'd bring this up, when the answer is fucking obvious. If the parents are choosing the medical professional for their child, most good parents would be looking for someone who will HELP, not hinder, their child.

        As for your last two sentences....that was my whole fucking point. It is the patient (or the patient's guardian...ffs...) who is responsible for ensuring they see someone who doesn't want to prolong things just for the money.

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        • You anticipated my actions. Well done charlie. Also responsible or not they have to follow the law to supply a child with proper medical care. So it can be argued a parent must drug a child if the parents wants to or not. So if they are threatening a parent and saying either they drug the child or take them away how should a parent defend against that? If they truly don't agree with putting them on harmful medications?

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          • charli.m

            Very rarely are medications recommended as a first course of action for children, as their brains are still developing.

            Where exactly are you getting your sensationalised and paranoid information from?

            Also, how many times do we need to have this conversation?

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            • I wish everyone agreed with that notion. Also this information is from real events and real people and real reports. Though really this is more about if people agree with the idea they are like lawyers.

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  • Cheese123

    I study psychology and you're misinformed. Psychology is about many things, it's not just the pop culture idea of a bearded man stroking his beard whilst talking to a patient on a couch. psychologists do usually want to help. That's why they spend so much money and time to become researchers or counselors and so on.

    You said that some shrinks want to keep you sick. But why would they? If they didn't help treat people they would be investigated. it's simply a rule of our economic system that if a service rendered doesn't do what it is advertised to do, people will not use it in the future.

    There is a wealth of evidence to suggest the usefulness of psychology in treating people for this like mental illness, and to suggest otherwise strikes me as wrong.

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    • Never said it was about men in beards. You are the one misinformed.

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      • Cheese123

        I'm sorry, but I don't think you're correct. And I also think you haven't researched what psychologists do or how they think or what theories they discuss. You just said you're suspicious of psychologists for no reason whatsoever.

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        • Its not a theory. Its a fact. No its for a legitimate reason. Not the only one who noticed this stuff either. Lots of people complain about these problems.

          Why would they make documentary's about it if it wasn't an issue. Why do you think they reclassified everything in the new issue of DSM. Since people complained. They complained about several misdiagnoses of disorders.

          You clearly never had an experience from the psychiatrists point, the patients or the family of the patients point of view and so you are going to dismiss any discussion or misconduct as hogwash.

          Here is a reality check. They are just people like the rest of us. They are capable of good and bad just like everyone else. You might think because they are in this type of field they can do no evil. That is a lie.

          You think too highly of a person based on job. There has been politicians who were caught embezzling. They are suppose to help us but not everyone of them cares to. So don't assume they can do no evil...

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  • Vyzr

    Honestly I could not imagine a reason why someone would put so much time and effort into something like this unless they really cared about it. They have to listen to people talk about their problems all day, they went to school for many years, and other such things. Some may be corrupt but I think it's more likely that you are just being paranoid. It's the same with everything in business, there are always corrupt people.

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    • Its simple. They make a lot of money off of this stuff. Every time you have to pay to be in an asylum, pay to talk for an hour, and pay for medication. It makes them and pharmaceuticals a killing. Also no its not paranoid. Its reality.

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      • Vyzr

        It's actually not that simple. What money do psychologists get from prescribing medication? None, in fact it's illegal. In order to prescribe medication they would have to also get their doctrine degree witch takes a very long time on top of psychology. They will get no money from prescriptions, they get money from sessions. I agree that a few may be corrupt and clearly the medicine industry also has potential corruption in it. But the fact that you could just buy most of the medication they would prescribe over the counter, and the fact that they can not force you to take the medication is also a firm point. They have to make sure that you are comfortable with the treatment. When you spend so much money you clearly have to be passionate about it, these people do not get paid royalty. You have to get your masters to get anything decent at all. Think about how many tests they do and try to work out new treatments, try to help people. There are some who do not want to help and are just selfish, but you can not argue with progress. Recently there have been many breakthroughs in certain mental illnesses. Just recently Schizophrenia has had one, they discovered a switch between two parts of brain areas that may be the cause as to why they can not differentiate between their own world and reality. You can't say they are not doing anything, and you can't say that it's reality because it's not.

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        • No actually they don't. They can push you into whatever treatment they want. If you are a child you have even less of a choice. They can force a person into treatment and its not always up to the patient if they continue. Also how is getting gross amounts of over diagnoses progress?

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          • Vyzr

            No one ever said anything about over diagnosing being progress. Clearly everyone knows that is a problem. But saying that psychology is corrupt just because of that, you may want to rethink your entire argument. You also seem to be under the impression that there is only one field of psychology which is the one you are talking about, counseling psychology. There are many fields of psychology, are you saying they are now automatically corrupt because of a few who may be corrupt in one field of it?

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