Is it normal i think achoholic energy drinks were bad to start?

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Ok we have a depressent and a stimulant right? They suddenly think of an idea. Hey beer is popular and so is energy drinks lets try mix these" So they made (achoholic redbull) other energy drinks soon followed. I mean honestly the creator was a moron as he did not get the diffrence between a stimulant and a depressent. That is just asking to get tossed in court. I mean do they not need this to be aproved by someone first? This is more risky than any achoholic beverage and worse than any energy drink. You body will be giving your heart signs to go up than at the same go down which will lead to a heart attack since the chemicals do not mix. Thats like not drinking milk and lemonjuice. That is basic rules of science. Than Everyone is shocked all those kid started to die.

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  • VioletTrees
    11 years ago

    Is this Allistalla?

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      11 years ago

      why? my computer is in storage so no link possible I am on stupid tablet and I am very bad at it.

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      • VioletTrees
        11 years ago

        Because your "debate" style is kind of similar to hers. You're bombarding me with reply after reply (which is rude, by the way), and you keep changing your story and insisting you're right without actually providing any links, or even telling me the nature of your sources. Also, telling somebody you know about drug interactions because you've talked to cops is completely ridiculous.

        Forensic scientists aren't police officers, by the way. If you'd been talking to scientists, you would've said "scientists", not "cops". I'm done here.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          11 years ago

          I just gave you a Link I told you I had to get my computer. I have it now so I will link it another time. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/caffeinated-booze-... I was not ignoring your request at the time I could not do so. So I do not know how you expect me to do so with out the devices to do so. Also I do not know how to do it on other Devices.

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          • Anonymous Post Author
            11 years ago

            So this is the link I posted it. So that is my proof that was a real incident and I was there when it happened.

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  • emilydoll
    11 years ago

    I agree with you all the way, it's dangerous.

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  • VioletTrees
    11 years ago

    "You body will be giving your heart signs to go up than at the same go down which will lead to a heart attack since the chemicals do not mix."

    Actually, no. That's not how that works. I don't blame you for thinking this, because I know there are news articles that say almost exactly that, but the news media is really, really bad at reporting about science sometimes, so I'll break down the problems with this idea for you.

    1) Alcohol doesn't lower heart rate.
    That's right. Alcohol does not slow your heart rate down. Actually, alcohol can cause your heart rate to INCREASE. See http://www.livestrong.com/article/160756-heart-rate-increase-alcohol-consumption/ and http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/apr2001/986422881.Gb.r.html

    2) If alcohol DID lower heart rate, that wouldn't necessarily make drinking it with caffeine a bad idea.
    Using a medication or substance that lowers your heart rate does NOT mean you can't use a medication that raises your heart rate. Obviously, you should consult your doctor about combining any sort of substances, but your idea of the heart getting "confused" because it's being told to speed up and slow down at the same time just isn't how the human body works.

    3) As far as I can tell (and correct me if you know of studies that contradict this) there's no scientific reason to believe that alcohol combined with caffeine causes heart attacks.
    Yes, I know there were news stories. News stories are not scientific studies. As far as I can tell, this concept came from a single case of unexplained heart attack in a young person who was drinking Four Loko, an alcoholic energy drink. That isn't science, it's conjecture. It's not included in the FDA's warnings about combining caffeine with alcohol, or in the CDC's page about it (see http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/cab.htm )

    There are dangers in drinking alcohol with caffeine. For instance, caffeine can make you feel less drunk, which means that you may overestimate your ability to drive. These aren't obvious interactions that anybody could foresee if they just thought about it, though. The human body is complicated, and these things just aren't that obvious. It would be nice if these things were all just common sense, but they aren't.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      11 years ago

      well the report said that they were having heartattacks at an alarming rate and it was more frequent than any other drink or beverage has so this only lasted a month before they pulled product and made a law about selling achoholic energy drinks which is now illegal. Also I was told depressents lower your body fuctions. While stimulants alert them and that was tuaght in health and pyschology. However I will look into the achohol to heart rate thing and get back to you on that. Also thank you for stating it so calmly I auctully expected this post to get alot of backlash but I guess I was wrong.

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      • VioletTrees
        11 years ago

        No problem. Thanks for listening. Unfortunately, you can't trust the news about science and health issues. They really, really mess up science a lot. Health classes aren't very trustworthy either, at least where I live, especially with things about drugs and alcohol.

        This is irresponsible, alarmist reporting. You're not the first person to be taken in by it, nor will you be the last. There hasn't been a big slew of deaths due to alcohol and caffeine. Yes, there have been deaths (but not many), but people die of alcohol poisoning from all kinds of alcoholic drinks. Also, it looks like several of the people who died had a history of seizures. I'm not saying that mixing lots of caffeine with alcohol is a good idea. Like I mentioned before, it can lead to people thinking they're more sober than they are and either drinking more (which puts them at risk for alcohol poisoning) or driving. As far as I can tell, no deaths have been conclusively linked to the combination of caffeine and alcohol, it's just conjecture.

        The main issue I took with your post (which is also a problem I have with a lot of news reports about things like this) is the idea that it should be obvious that you shouldn't combine caffeine and alcohol. Well, no. This isn't basic science. It's extremely complicated. You can't tell what you substances you can and can't mix through common sense, which is one of the reasons that testing products and medications is so important. Even if it turns out that combining alcohol and caffeine can cause heart attacks, that's not an obvious conclusion. After all, you can take other (and stronger) stimulants and drink (I know this because I've been on stimulants for ADHD for most of my life, and I had a lengthy discussion with my doctor about it when I turned 21). If I eat grapefruit for breakfast, though, my medication won't work. GO FIGURE.

        EDIT: I wanted to add that I'm not trying to accuse you of arrogance. The "Duh, anybody with half a brain would know that!" reaction is really common reaction to discoveries that are totally new and should be surprising (or even things that are downright false). It's called hindsight bias, and it's a human brain thing. When people learn something new, they're very likely to believe they could have predicted it, even when they couldn't have. It lends itself really well to alarmist reporting, though, especially about health issues, because it makes people think "I could've predicted that, and I'm not even a doctor! The people in charge must be really irresponsible!"

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          11 years ago

          Also health hasnt told me anything cops havent if you speak of drugs they are pretty accurate.

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          • VioletTrees
            11 years ago

            How old are you?

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              11 years ago

              why it matter how old I am? I will give you a link tommorow im in the middle of moving sorry.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              11 years ago

              Specific kind of cops. They need drug training and ali already said you will have to wait I do not have a computer.

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          • VioletTrees
            11 years ago

            Actually, cops are not very accurate about drugs. Cops have told me so many conflicting things about drug symptoms, some of which my doctor has outright contradicted. No. Cops are not doctors, and they're not taught complete or accurate information about drugs or biology. They use scare tactics, and they're not medical professionals.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              11 years ago

              Also I know drug addicts and X druggers aswell so you can not say that getting high is cool. They will twll you how bad it is.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              11 years ago

              They do if they are detectives and work in a lab working with blood and chemicals. They have to know I am sorry to say.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              11 years ago

              Also have you not heard of detectives they are scientists.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          11 years ago

          Also I go by the fact you dont mix base and acid and those basic chenistry rules. Also if you put two extremes together you make an explosion. This is common with many things this would be a reasonable assumption.

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          • VioletTrees
            11 years ago

            What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with acids and bases. That's completely unrelated. It seems like you're trying to apply a really basic knowledge of chemistry to this, and you can't do that. It's way more complicated than that.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          11 years ago

          No there was alot of deaths with achohole alone but nor as frequent. That why it was band that no lie thats a fact that iys why they took they took them away. I do not ebcourage achohole abd caffiene I think its dangeroues mixing caffiene and achohole.

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          • VioletTrees
            11 years ago

            Do you have a source that shows that? Also, I said that I still think mixing caffeine and alcohol was a bad idea. There's no reason to believe that it causes heart attacks, however.

            They'll take things off the market in response to things like this, by the way, without scientific proof that they're harmful. It's a precaution. It doesn't actually constitute scientific evidence that those things are deadly.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              11 years ago

              Everyone who died had been ordering these as at the time it went up as the new cool thing. After they were banned the icidents went down. At the time I personly knew someone at the time that was drinking them and passed out.

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  • dappled
    11 years ago

    This idea has been around for a long time, though. For instance, Jack Daniels and Coke. I can drink that stuff all night (despite being caffeine intolerant) because the effects neatly cancel each other out. It's a very different kind of "drunk". A very lucid sober kind of "drunk". Not one that I especially enjoy; especially when I've spent eighty quid on drinks and am still sober.

    Also, I have a friend who uses cocaine when he starts feeling too drunk because it brings him up to a level where he can drink again. He feels rotten the next day, though. Really, really rotten. Not recommended.

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    • VioletTrees
      11 years ago

      Update: It looks like there was more than one death, but no more than you expect see from energy drinks or alcohol separately (athletes using energy drinks occasionally die from dehydration, for example).

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      • Anonymous Post Author
        11 years ago

        No the piont was it happened in a shorter span of time. So it kills quicker it is more amediete so they pulled it.

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        • VioletTrees
          11 years ago

          Source, please.

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          • Anonymous Post Author
            11 years ago

            I will once I get a computer.

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    • VioletTrees
      11 years ago

      The effect you're describing is actually why it's not a great idea to drink with a whole bunch of caffeine. People think they're good to drink more, because the caffeine makes them feel more lucid. I think it can also be hard on your heart, since it can increase your heart rate, but there's no reason to believe it'll give you a heart attack, as far as I can tell. I found a bunch of news stories about the same one person who had a heart attack after drinking alcohol with caffeine, and one doctor was like "Uh so maybe this causes heart attacks?" As far as I can tell, it's never been a widespread problem.

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      • Anonymous Post Author
        11 years ago

        http://abcnews.go.com/Health/caffeinated-booze-drugs-sickened-students-party/story?id=11965071
        That is the iccident that got them banned. I was in school when this happened.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          11 years ago

          http://abcnews.go.com/Health/caffeinated-booze-drugs-sickened-students-party/story?id=11965071

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          11 years ago

          That is a old report. This happened a few years ago.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      11 years ago

      Yes but energy drinks have way more Caffiene than a soda and are ment to wake you up. Things like beer bring you down. That is like taking 20 hits of Meth and than taking seditives. Also alot if soda you find sold next to those beverages are very low or are non Caffienated. Also perrier by itself is nasty!

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