Is it normal i don't try to compete with other guys for girls?

To be a little more clear on my question, I am wondering if it is normal that when I meet a girl who I have some interest in, I never attempt to get past the friend zone because I feel like they are just going to end up with another guy anyways so what's the point you know?

I'm somewhat self conscious as are we all but nothing to the point where I have no self esteem. I am an average 23 year old guy like every other person.

The other night I was at a bar and a friend of mine was bartending as she has for years there. She doesn't have a boyfriend but I'm sitting there with all these other guys (Around 20 of them) and they range in age from 21 to 60s and EVERY SINGLE ONE HITS ON HER. And she gives it right back. Obviously she is a bartender so it makes sense to when it comes to tips and stuff but I sit there thinking how every guy that comes in here instantly wants to talk with her and get to know her and then bang her.

It bothers me because I am not like that. I obviously will think about things like that as do all guys and girls too but I would never say anything. Yet it seems that it's these perverts that end up with the girls like my friend the bartender so I have gotten to this point where I don't even want to try anymore. Why should I when I have to fight every other dude in the area just to go on a date with her and NOT BANG her and never talk to her again. See what I mean?

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  • ccjigsaw

    Sounds like you just want a committed relationship. Not with some girl who has loads of guys she could choose from. Just a girl who likes you. I'll tell you what, a bar isn't the place you're going to find that kind of girl.

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    • summersjohn47

      I'm not necessarily looking for a girl in a bar as that story was just an example of observing my girl friend the bartender with all the idiot guys in there but you are right about that. I feel like unless you meet a girl in church or something it will be hard to find a good one.

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  • If you have to fight for a girl to choose you, then in my mind, you should have your choice made.

    I don't chase girls in any manner, but if a girl needs to be fought over for her affection, then the other guy could have her, because having to "fight" for her affection shows that she never really had any special affection for you in the first place.

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    • ifonlyuknew247

      I feel the exact same way, but I really have no time for catfights or any Jerry Springer type stuff with any girls who want to compete for a man. The right person for me will only have eyes for me. If someone has a question about whether or not they should be with me or some other girl, I'll make that decision very easy for them.

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    • Angel_in_a_Glass_Dress

      i'm of a mindset that... if you have to fight for a girl to choose you then you're chasing the wrong woman.

      A real woman won't make you "fight" other men for her. She'll just say "You're the one I want" without playing grade school games.

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  • nanawhite

    It is normal.
    But first of all, There's nothing wrong for a guy to talk easily to a pretty woman. Sometimes, this is not about competition. Every guy has a chance with a girl. Some men see the fact of hitting on a girl before the others as competition. Some don't, and that's your case. You simply don't care.

    But don't be afraid of trying to discuss with a girl, even she is very courted. Do not belittle yourself.

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    • summersjohn47

      Thanks man. Good advice. Seriously.

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      • nanawhite

        haha I am a woman, not a man. Anyway, good luck!
        You'll find a good girl ;)

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        • summersjohn47

          Oops. My bad haha. But thank you very much. It means a lot.

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  • Maybeoneday

    What I took from this, is that you're a really nice guy. Find a girl that won't have you compete for her attention and sees you for the gentlemen you are. I would go for a guy like you over some jerk any day.

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    • summersjohn47

      Thank you. It is reassuring to know there are girls like you out there. It is just frustrating to me to know that most guys and most girls are only interested in sex it seems.

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      • Maybeoneday

        No problem! Yeah, I'm in my third year of college and sex seems to be on everyone's mind.

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        • summersjohn47

          Yeah I'm in my last year of school and you are definitely right about that.

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          • Maybeoneday

            Sweet, what are you studying?

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  • A bar is a dumb place to meet women anyway. Testosterone amplified with booze isn't good.

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  • jamesbret

    Treat the girl like absolute crap. Women are drawn to that for some reason, especially ones who vehemently deny it.

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  • ifonlyuknew247

    I agree with ItDuz as I commented about the chasing & competing aspect. However, as a female, I may have a slightly different experience/perspective.

    In any case, you do sound like a quality guy, the kind most girls really want to be with.

    Being female, I do have one piece of advice for you, though: do at least let the female know you are interested in them. That's all you really need to do. As soon as they know that, it's between you and her, not anyone else. When a girl is genuinely interested in you, there's really no competition.

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    • summersjohn47

      "When a girl is genuinely interested in you, there's really no competition."

      That is seriously one of the best things I have read on here, if not the best. Although it is a simple comment, it really helps a lot. I mean when I read that, it made my decision super easy on whether or not this girl likes me. Sadly it's a no then. Seeing as how you seem so full of wisdom, do you believe that guys and girls can have good, platonic relationships? Or is that not possible? And if it is, is it worth it in your opinion?

      I ask because the girl I like, who I now think only likes me as a friend thanks to you, does like to hang out with me and stuff so is it worth it to be friends with her? I mean it seems like it will be torture being a good friend of hers and nothing more...what do you think?

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      • ifonlyuknew247

        Well first of all, thank you for the compliment.

        Though I will give the disclaimer that I don't know the entire situation and am basing this advice you requested on what I've heard and my own experience, my advice on this situation is:

        1.) Sure, stay friends. But for your own emotional and mental stability, cut way back on the interactions for now. See her much more sporadically (like if you see her three times a week now, cut down to once per week, or three times every two weeks, and taper off more gradually if you can). Force yourself to do it for the first, Idk, three months or so. It might be difficult, but do it anyway. Calendar it if you have to.

        2.) In the meantime, work on improving yourself and doing things that make you feel fulfilled. These kinds of things build your confidence and make you mentally healthier overall, as well as making you more attractive not only to the opposite sex, but to everyone. You'll start noticing it.

        3.) Whenever you find yourself thinking about her wistfully with the "What if"s and "if only"s, say out loud (if environmentally appropriate): "Just friends," and visualize yourself during an instance or moment you've shared where you thought, "Wow, she's a great friend," and that's all, and you were happy about it. Play it over and over in your head until you get distracted by something else. It will make you sick of thinking of her after awhile (in a good way) and force you to think of her as "just a friend" first, making interactions with her less "torturous."

        4.) Finally, and a word of caution will follow quickly: really involve yourself in that self-improvement stuff (not in a vain way, but in what can you do for others type thing), and you'll notice much more attention from females who will like you for you, and you will very likely soon be surprised to find they are trying to compete for *you*. Another phenomena that occurs sometimes, especially with us fickle females, is that when this female you speak of starts to realize your interest is not as fixated on her, she might start getting more interested in *you*. It just happens sometimes. That being said (here's that word of caution I mentioned): don't do the above actions with that goal/hope/possibility in mind, unless you are so despondent it is the only way you can motivate yourself to get started on it (and it doesn't seem like you're at that point, thankfully, so just don't). There's a good chance this won't happen, but there's a chance it might. If it happens, it happens. If it does happen, you may likely find yourself to seriously be considering her as only a friend and not consider her as anything more at that point. And if that happens, it is also very likely that by that time you will already have a significant other who will be invested in you for you and vice-versa.

        Best of luck to you.

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        • summersjohn47

          Thank you very very much. Everything you said makes so much sense and helps me out a lot. I am nominating you for the best IIN poster because you are wise and are able to make so much sense of a situation that you barely know. I wish I could give you an award haha

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          • ifonlyuknew247

            You're welcome, and thanks again for the compliment! I appreciate it and more importantly, I'm glad it helped you. That's reward enough, I suppose, haha, because that was the goal of the advice.

            You seem very balanced and intelligent, with good intentions. Keep honing yourself, and I think you'll find success sooner rather than later.

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  • Terence_the_viking

    If you have to fight for her attention she probably isn't worth it anyways.

    Keep doing what you do.

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  • dom180

    I don't see any point in "competing" with other guys. Most girls don't care as much about stuff like that as some guys think they do, so there's really no point getting involved with it. A woman who would wait for men to compete over her without doing a thing herself to meet me halfway isn't very attractive to anyway, to me at least.

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    • summersjohn47

      With my friend and a lot of girls I feel like they make men compete for them without thinking. Some probably do it to see who is willing to give them the most but that is probably a minority, hopefully. It's not as if she is egging different guys on to fight over her but the way she talks about all her different guy friends in front of me (I'm guessing she does the same with the others) makes me at least feel disinterested. It's like they want you to feel jealous but shouldn't love be honest and open and not envious and exclusive?

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      • quentari

        I'd guess that girls who let guys "compete" aren't actually looking for a relationship anyway. Of course, some girls will flirt back even when they aren't interested, which makes it hard to find out if they like you or if they are just habitually responding flirtatiously.

        I'm maybe look elsewhere for a girlfriend, rather than a bar. Friends of friends are a good place to start.

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  • thegypsysailor

    I learned a long time ago to take the women who showed interest in me, rather than chasing those who don't. It's a pretty simple solution to loneliness and one can have a companion for the night (or however long) without the unrewarding chase for that elusive somebody. I never play games, play "hard to get" or any other stupid thing which might interfere with the goal; companionship.
    Steven Stills said it best in his song; "Love the one you're with...."

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  • I....I just like sex.

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