Is it normal atheism ignores history?

Alright a lot of atheists I seen say the bible is stupid and could have never happened. Yet this is really blind since there is a lot of beginnings that are said to begin with GOD. Now if you deny god existed you are basically calling these civilizations liars and saying it never happened.

Yet would not give an alternative idea to this. There is a few instances where they say "Appointed by god". Kings and Queens were chosen by god to rule. So how did these kingdoms start and if not god who started them? Israel currently is fighting to not fall under Muslim rule and the debate is "God wants us to have the land and no god wants us to have the land." So who really appointed the land of Israel.

Now if we dismiss the whole Moses thing is it impossible Egypt had slaves? Lots of civilizations had slaves. I am not sure why the idea of slaves sounds so idiotic. Rome had slaves, even in America they use to have slaves. Its not like slaves is a new concept.

Also I am not saying anything for sure but for these civilizations to start by god there had to be something that gave them that idea. Even the Pharaohs were said to be chosen by god. So who appointed these leaders? Saying "Well nothing ever happened" is like denying world war 2 happened.

Clearly SOMETHING happened if you believe in god or not. While I will not say without a doubt god exist I will not completely discredit events based on the fact it was in the bible. They even proved why the plague in Egypt was scientifically possible.

So for claiming to be so intelligent saying something is not possible when science has proved it can happen is pretty ignorant. I am not saying "Oh we need to all believe in god" but if you truly wish to say its wrong you would have to give alternative ideas to How these events happened. Simply ignoring something does not mean the debate has ended. It simply means your too pig headed to see that your ideas might actually have wholes in them.

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  • thegypsysailor

    Oh for crying out loud!
    What a waste of time and thought to write that drivel, and read it.
    Every civilization, tribe and group of man has MADE UP the gods of their need, for one purpose or another. Most often it is to control the group; "god will punish you for not doing what we, the ones appointed by god, demand" etc.
    The bible is a stupid story book; can you possibly believe some guy parted the Red Sea? There may have been a physical event (earthquake bred tsunami?)that caused something notable, but no god had a hand in it.
    Do you really believe that a man was born through immaculate conception, when his mother had other children? Please. If we are a creation of a god, then that god must be pretty damn bad at his job, because we are very imperfect beings. Isn't it much more likely that we are a freak of evolution and that there might be hope that if this species doesn't kill itself, and most of the others on this planet off, that perhaps we will evolve beyond the disgustingly destructive creatures we are today?

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    • If you are asking me what I believe I will say this. I believe that either everything in the bible is a metaphor and was never meant to be taken literally or was simply events misunderstood and misinterpreted by people who really had no real concept of the world. Much like the signs of vampires was simply a misunderstanding of riga mortis. Also some of the stories are not considered fact but are meant to teach us a lesson like fables.

      As for the humans being poorly design. It seems that we are not specialized like most creatures such as dogs or cats. Humans are However one of the best designed things but we have to work at being strong, smart so on. The human body seems to be very well balanced but it seems we are meant for adaptability apposed to specialty.

      See humans can excel at many things. That variety goes to how we are built. We do not start out with huge arms, great hearing, big muscles since that would take away from adaptability. So we are made where we have the ability to be good at anything but we have to choose and practice what we want to be good at. So we are not as poorly designed as you might think.

      Its kind of like a weapon. You can pick a specialized weapon that would be great for a certien mission or you could use something works on a vierity of missions. Now the specialized weapon might work for one or two missions but will be made useless on every other mission. So its better to have something adaptable. This was in fact the idea behind the Katana. The Katana is made to be able to do what other blades do all in one.

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      • thegypsysailor

        You are talking about the physical human and I was referring more to the mental one. We have great intelligence, but use it mostly for destruction; destruction of our fellow man, the destruction of our environment and destruction of our creations.
        This is not only foolhardy, it is self destructive to our species; we are doomed if we continue as we have.

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        • Well humans are unique in the fact we created our own habitat. That alone shows how very advanced we are. However we by doing this have eliminated the one thing that keeps us in check. Natural selection is what does that. Unlike in the wild the sick would die, the old would die, and the stupid would die.

          However now since we have things like medical care the sick reproduce, the morons keep on breeding, and the old are living to 100. Now no I am not saying I am for killing the sick/insane, stupid(possibly) or old but truth is in nature we would no longer have them in the population.

          In nature if a child is stupid enough to run into a bus to see if they die(they are not here), the people with medical problems would have died off, and the old would have died a lot earlier. Since they are not in situations where they have to use their head and logic to survive most of them turn out stupid.

          Those morons have kids and the bull shit continues. Now I do believe something that would fix this is destroying rapist, pedophiles and serial killers. Since we have these people every generation or so and they do no good but to create more dysfunction in society, create more mental illness and destroying parts of the population that would be better to have.

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      • wastingtime

        The "bible" was written by hundreds of people in hundreds of different languages over thousands and thousands of years. Some historical, most fictitious. The problem is that someone found the writings and picked some to go in "mythology" and some to go into a book he deemed the Word of God.

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  • I'm an agnostic and atheists piss me off.

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  • Gelmurag

    Is no one going to discredit this based on the horrible grammar at all? I cannot possibly believe in anything written so horrendously. For or against religion doesn't matter, because you failed.

    "Alright a lot of atheists I seen say the"
    Should be....A lot of atheists I have talked with...

    "these civilizations liars"
    Please look up what civilization is. The word you wanted was society.

    "Yet would not give an alternative idea to this."
    This isn't even a real sentence. What? Seriously, this means nothing. It is known as a fragment.

    Your drivel about kings and queens seriously ignores all history. And the term for it is "Divine right," and didn't really exist until the christian church started killing people who wouldn't convert. The church was gaining more and more power, so the royals started saying they had divine rights in order to try to control some of the church.

    The kingdoms started because a person/people settled an area of land. It had nothing to with religion at all.

    Again, you use civilization improperly when talking about the slaves.

    "America they use to have slaves. Its not like slaves is a new concept."
    Used, we used to have slaves. Past tense. Second sentence, slaves are a new concept. The S at the end of slaves makes it plural, hence the need for are, not is.

    Again, you use civilization incorrectly. The pharaohs were chosen by birth right, and rose to power like every other royal family. Killing, corruption, betrayal, and inbreeding. I'm pretty sure their polytheistic views did not include the christian god.

    "While I will not say without a doubt god exist"
    Exists. The dinosaurs used to exist. A living/spiritual thing exists.

    "They even proved why the plague in Egypt was scientifically possible. "
    I want a link to this. Because my entire college career was spent learning how none of the plagues could have happened as described.

    "So for claiming to be so intelligent saying something is not possible when science has proved it can happen is pretty ignorant."
    You can't even form a coherent sentence, yet you have the right to judge others as ignorant? And its proven, not proved.

    "It simply means your too pig headed to see that your ideas might actually have wholes in them."
    Calling people pig headed for expressing views that you yourself are expressing (although in this case opposing,) is not certainly going to garner you any friends. And the word is holes. Whole means something is complete. And you have no divine rights, no authority, and no permission to judge a single person on this planet. God has not given you that authority. So stop trying, hit the books again, and try to pass your English classes.

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  • The Bible has been edited many times throughout history. It's like the phone game in kindergarten where the story is completely different by the time it gets back to you.

    Humans build their own civilizations by establishing their control by doing things such as making up religions.

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    • Yeah I totally agree with the bible thing. It is just like telephone.

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  • Dad

    Atheism doesn't ignore history.
    It takes on what we now know are facts, and clearly defines atheism as a lack of ANY factual belief in a god or gods.

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  • dybex

    Historical documents tells us that people were burnt alive for being witches. I don't doubt that people were accused of witchcraft and killed that way.

    But according to your outlook, that historical evidence is proof that witches with magic spell casting powers were real. Just because people believed in God in the past doesn't prove God exists. Many cultures believed that fire breathing dragons existed.

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    • By the way you might want to look up "Komodo dragon".

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    • No like I mentioned things like witches and vampires were simply things they did not understand. In fact doctors were considered magical at one point.

      However medicine is not magic its science. Vampire were not vampires it was a misunderstanding of riga mortis. Also if someone is accused of being a witch it does not make her one. Along with that the way they tested for witches was pretty asinine.

      "I shall dunk you in a bucket until you admit you are a witch. When you admit you are a witch I burn you. If you do not burn thee be a witch. If you burn well you may rest in peace". See stupidity! Also how do we know they were not just lizards? The kraken is an octopus and those exist. Like I said there was things in the past that exist but people interpreted them incorrectly.

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      • charli.m

        ...And the idea of a god could be said to be a made up concept for things that people did not understand. How is that any different from the example you gave about witches?

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  • KatieLiz

    It's usually the people who were 'appointed to rule by god' who made up the religions. Just look at Greek mythology. Every time a town/leader wanted more power, they'd make up some new god who they were supposedly related to.

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  • myownopinions

    atheism (n.): disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

    1) Nowhere does this definition state that atheists don't believe that other people believe in God.

    2) In my opinion, most atheists don't think the bible is stupid because some of the events told in the bible didn't happen, but because their are a lot of contradictions in that bible and they don't agree with a lot of the ethics about the bible.

    Did Egypt have slaves? Yes, I'm pretty sure they did.
    Does the bible say stuff about slavery in Egypt? Sure.
    But the fact that Egypt had slaves isn't what atheists are arguing about.

    Atheists do know that God (as a symbolic figure) had a lot to do with history. They just don't actually believe in God being real.

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    • 1.Where did I mention anything about atheists not knowing what religion is, not having an idea of what gods are, and not realizing some people are religious? I am lost as to where you are getting this information.

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      • myownopinions

        I think we're both misinterpreting each other. I didn't say that you didn't mention those things, I'm saying that "appointed by God" is a belief that comes from humans and that atheists believe that other people believe that God is what put certain people in the positions that they are in instead of there actually being a real God who did this stuff.

        Sorry, I'm not good at explaining, so I don't know if I'm making much sense.

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  • nothing2

    the Romans out-smarted all of us

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  • dom180

    Yes, my ideas have wholes in them.

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  • Karmasbitch

    I believe there are many different variations of what/who god is. I believe now-a-days, it's very construed and misunderstood.

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  • GreyWulfen

    I am religious. And I think what you just wrote is just naive and plain bullshit.

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  • Wuggums47

    As a Devout follower of the Catholic Faith, I would like to say that this persons comments aren't typical of religious people, atleast the ones I've met.

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  • lolol555

    TL;DR another post about why theism is better than atheism or vice versa.

    Live at let fucking live already. I don't understand how people even have time to write this shit anymore.

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    • No it really wasn't. I was simply seeing if an atheist would have an alternative answer. Apposed to just saying "Well your stupid since what I think it better". Which is a really lousy argument. I also see people deny it but ignore stuff like this. Meaning they pick and choose what fact they want to scrutinize. Thats a dirty debate. Also Im on the gate about such things. So I side with neither party.

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  • robbieforgotpw

    Powerdumps

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  • oogliebooglie

    I will not even enter into this argument.
    Suffice to say that it is drivel.

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  • wastingtime

    Watch Zeitgeist. Its a conspiracy theory movie but it makes it point.

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  • ♫Diamonds♫

    I couldn't even understand the argument because it was so poorly written.

    Are you saying that the only way a civilization can come to exist is through god? A group of people got together because they needed to survive, and humans are social creatures. We survive better in big groups. The people who had leadership qualities took the roles of leaders. Then they existed as a group of people, with a leader, who they eventually called a Pharaoh / King / whatever you'd like. Then they said that the Pharaoh was appointed by "god". This is really simple stuff. Like... 1st grade world history stuff. Is the post a troll? I don't understand.

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    • Not saying that a civilization could only exist through god.

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      • ♫Diamonds♫

        So you're saying that scholars ignore the fact these civilizations claimed to have gods?

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