Is he becoming a stalker, iin?

I am the same person who wrote the posts "Unwanted Matchmaking, IIN?" and "Creepy man is making me psychically ill, IIN?" I took all of your suggestions into consideration, but I am having more concerns about this guy and his creepy and increasingly concerning behavior…

I didn't seem him about 4 times until I saw him last week when I went to the grocery store. I was on the edge of one aisle when I saw him come up a main aisle. I was instantly horrified the moment I saw him. I wanted to die. If a crazed man had come into the store and stabbed me in the heart, I would have been able to die in the relief of knowing that I would never have to see this freak again. I met his gaze, with what I am assuming to have been a fearful/surprised look, and he met mine with a intense and empty gaze.

I tried to exit the aisle from the other side but as soon as I did so, he returned with that same weird look as his face. It was like he was inwardly laughing at an inside joke. The relative that I go shopping with followed him and said,"It's (insert his name)!" As if this would make me happy. He helped her and then came back for me. There were some other people in the area that I tried to line myself up with but, he managed to semi-corner me as I was trying to turn my cart.

He gave me that same creepy look and said something along the lines of "Oh, there you are…" He made it sound like he was deliberately trying hunt me down. I tried to be polite with him and said in an obviously creeped out voice,"Ohhhh…. Hello…" When I said this, he made a very strange face. He ended up letting me go, but pretty much every time I would see him, he would still stare at me.

I am not sure how he knew this, almost as soon as me and my relative got in the checkout line, when it came to my turn, I saw him rushing from another side of the store to get to the same lane so that he could bag my groceries. I started to panic. It got to the point, where it was just him, the cashier and myself. I tried not to to make any eye contact with him, but I noticed that he was smiling an extremely wide and creepy smile. It reminded me of a serial killer in a horror film, smiling before he killed his victim. I was instantly chilled.

For some reason, he got called over the another line. Someone else, thankfully, ended up helping us in his place. The thing I noticed, is that after his work was done in that other line, he walked over to a part of the store that was pretty much directly diagonal from my location. He just stood there with his back to me… He then he moved into one aisle, but I could still see parts of him.

I am concerned that he is turning into a stalker. The way he came into that aisle, right after my relative, causes me to believe that he did this deliberately. He must have been on the lookout and when he did see me, he saw my relative and knew that by following her, he would've been able to find me. By helping her, it has caused her to further be on his side.

I am getting really frightened. Everything about him is creepy. Everything from his desperate persistence, even though I am obviously frightened of him, to the way he walks scares me. I don't think that I have ever been this terrified in my life. What on earth should I do?

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  • 69

    no, you are paranoid

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    • Avant-Garde

      Prior to his extreme behavior, I wasn't paranoid. I hadn't had a bout with paranoia in a very long time. Since the more extreme incidences, especially the most recent one, I have become paranoid. I am terrified of looking out of a window and seeing him. I am scared that he will find my address. I fear hearing that creepy voice of his. I fear seeing his face in one of the windows. I fear seeing him when I am outside. This is completely derailing all of my plans to go walking and exploring around the area in which I live. I have be terrified to touch/use the things which he touched when he was bagging my groceries. This asshat is re-ruining my life!

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      • 69

        his behavior is not extreme. you are being extreme. he's most likely doing his job and trying to be nice to you because he thinks YOU are weird and feels bad for you. other peoples lives do not revolve around you. from what you say i see no wrong in his behaviour

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        • Avant-Garde

          If he thought that I was weird. Believe me, others would have brought that to my attention. I don't think that world revolves around me. There have been quite a few times where this has been told to me, but each time completely took me by surpass as I wasn't aware that I was perpetuating these behaviors.

          I have had one other stalking scare. I have every right to be concerned when someone tips my creepy radar. This is not to say that I am constantly in a state of fear and that I think that everyone is a stalker and/or out to get me, because I don't. It is an extremely rare occurrence.

          He his behavior didn't get extreme until he started taking testosterone. I redid my research. His sudden and drastic changes are matching up with it.

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  • Crusades

    Guy you're attracted to who's flirting with you = cute , interesting, charming

    Guy you're not attracted to flirting with you = creep, stalker

    ...

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    • davesumba

      Classic Dobler-Dahmer scenario.

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    • Avant-Garde

      Believe me, I don't follow this belief system. Fuck. I am not even sexually attracted to men. If I took on the role of an outside by-stander, merely judging by looks, I could saw that looks-wise he is all right.

      He was all right and looked very different before this started to really progress. It is weird, but I am at a loss for words for what happened to his looks. The first two weeks, I remember him looking youthful and his hair was a regular shade of red. By the third week, I saw him and was astonished at how rough he looked. He looked like he had randomly evolved into another person.

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      • Crusades

        Are you a guy or a lesbo?

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        • SubstationSubCurb111713

          Why do you do this stuff? There must be some part of you that doesn't want to be like this.

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        • Avant-Garde

          I'm a lesbian. Something tells me that you didn't bother to read the other information I posted on this.

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  • PureLikeSnow

    Ignore him/reject his advances. Problem solved.

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    • Avant-Garde

      Great suggestion, but I have no plans to ever coming back to that store. God forbid, if I see if him elsewhere, I'll try to ignore him but he is too fucking persistent. If he asks me out, I'll reject him but I'll try to do it in a way that doesn't cause offense. The last thing I want, is for this guy to start flipping out and for me to get on his bad side.

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  • Sog

    You seem very paranoid.

    Even if he is continuing to make unwanted advances on you, it's not normal that you respond in this way. Just say no thanks and get on with your life.

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  • thesmokingun

    Your in a public place, he's probably concerned about your behavior. You seem very confused and shy. Maybe he was being over friendly & nosey but I wouldn't be worried. Unless he tries to grab your @ss and stick his tongue in your ear......then beware!!

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    • Avant-Garde

      I am by no means confused. Before his taking the testosterone, he didn't creep me out. His flirtations were "normal". After he started taking that stuff, his behavior became concerning and started to scare me. I had been going to that store for a long time. I had my fair share of issue with the people that worked in the store. Before this started to get out of hand, everything was find. I generally keep to myself because I am introverted. By then I was used to those people, there was no longer any need to be shy.

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  • plainsight90

    you might be a freak of nature...pun intended

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  • I don't see anything stalkerish about this. Does he bother you outside the store property? If not it is unlikely he is stalking you. I do think you may be overthinking the situation.
    From your description of his behavior i can think of a few possibilities.
    1.he likes you.
    2.he senses your fear and gets a kick out of fucking with you.
    3.he is socially awkward and youre reading into his behavior too much.

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    • Avant-Garde

      There's something else that I find concerning.

      This man, when I first met him, was much shorter than me. In general, if I were looking for a mate, height wouldn't ever be a deal breaker to me.

      The last time I saw him, there was a drastic change in height. It was like this guy was too close to my height. My mother's theory was that he was using "pumps" and sticking these inserts into his shoes.

      I know that there's an bizarre stigma in some countries against men who are shorter than average. I am not trying to sound mean, but I think that his extreme insecurities are unreasonable and would be a huge turn off for me if were straight. He knew that I was taller than him for the get go. The average bulky shoe would never bring him close to my height, unless he wore combat boots. He thought that I liked him back when he was shorter than me. If that were the case, why would he feel the need to increase in height? Besides, there would be no way to fool me, since I knew his true height. This logic doesn't make any sense.

      There's also a flaw in the shoe insert theory. I don't think that the average insert would be able to make the wearer increase that much in height… I am going out on a limb here with my theory as things just aren't adding up… Please keep in mind that after the 3rd week of coming in contact with him, that he didn't show up for about 4 weeks. 4 weeks is a month. The 5th week I see him and he is too close to my height. I doubt highly that this is the result of a natural growth spurt. If it were a natural growth spurt, there would be no reasoning for him to miss work, would there? I believe that this guy got limb lengthening surgery. This would explain why he was gone for such a period of time.

      (I did do some research on this in the past as I was considering taking this approach myself. That is until I realized that growth doesn't end until a person is in there 20's and that there are natural ways to incase in height. ) - I can't remember how much on average, it usually takes to get a procedure like this to heal.

      If this is truly the case, it puts the situation into an even darker light. This guy doesn't know me. I am as much of a fucking stranger as he is to me, granted that he those know a small amount of information than me. Still, it is more than I know about him.

      Anyway, why would a sane person undergo limb lengthening surgery for someone they don't even know? For a relationship that may never come to fruition? May never last? This surgery is apparently extremely painful and there are some health risks, like the bones becoming weaker than what they were prior to surgery. Why would any of this be worth it? I don't think that this person is sane. I think that he is mentally ill, hence the dark grey aura I saw. Does he believe the he loves me and I love him too? Can he not understand the difference between infatuation and love? I know that people sometimes blur the two together but seriously… What the fuck?!

      If a woman whom was a stranger to you, did something like this, what would you think?

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      • I never heard of limb extention surgury. If that is what he did, i doubt he did it for you and he was probablly thinking about it for some time. Its more likely he has different shoes. I have a pair of tennis shoes and a pair of combat boots and when i wear the boots they add a couple inches. Its very possible he is not sane. Im not quite sure if anyone is. If someone acted this way around me im not sure i would even notice. Im usually the weird one in the store. I dont go following people but i am often accused of being creepy. I probablly have strange mannerisms.

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        • Also mental illness would explain his absence from work. Some jobs make accomidations for disabilities.

          I wont be able to know what this guy is up to but from your description it just seems he is socially inept and its making you feel paranoid. I recomend just going to another store since you dont seem comfortable. I was able to relate in a way though because people have often been scared of me when im actually friendly but have little understanding of what is socially approperiate, although ive gotten much better over the years.

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          • Avant-Garde

            That makes sense. I explained the drastic changes to my mother. She says that sounds like he is taking testosterone. It explains why his features went from being soft to being hard. It explains the skin roughness and other issues. It also explains why he height increased so much. She says that the symptoms can be negative: mood swings, violent behavior, etc. I have done other research into this.

            I think that his change triggered something in my mind to perceive him as a threat. Before, when he looked more like a kid, I didn't register him as being threatening. It wasn't until he changed that his behavior became frightening and I, in turn, became scared of him.

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        • Avant-Garde

          I think his shoes were the same. He was walking was very unnatural and strange, though. It was like he was floating/had wheels in his shoes even though he didn't.

          Again, I can totally relate on being socially awkward. I've had people in the past react oddly towards me but, I never was able to figure out exactly what I had done wrong to warrant those reactions. I have no idea what people think of me in general. I have learned that it is probably best not to care about such things. If I did, it would probably just make me miserable.

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          • Yeah, its best to not care what people think and be yourself.
            Ill tell a funny story of something creepy i did unintentionally.
            I was talking to a girl on another forum and i recognized her as someone i met in real life from her pic. I let her know that i seen her before and assured her i was not a stalker because i thought she may have thought that so i figured by assuring i wasnt stalking it wouldnt seem weird. Anyway she stopped responding and someone mentioned by saying i wasnt stalking, it seemed i was, and i shouldnt have said that, although i was just trying to clear up any confusion. People can be very difficult to figure out.

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    • Avant-Garde

      I do think that he likes me. If he is sensing my fear but still being persistent since my fear turns him on, wouldn't that be a behavior of concern? Trust me, I am all for sexual sadism when it is in a consensual relationship. However, these two factors have not come to fruition. That guy would be breaking on of the most important tenants in the BDSM community.

      He might have Asperger's but, I don't know. The possibility that I might have this condition has been brought up to me a few times. I'll admit that there have been about three times when, as a minor, I had inadvertently scared people that I had feelings for. Two were online. However, in these cases, I was experiencing mental health issues (paranoia and delusions). With the first one, I had a crush on a female, whom I think may have been a peer. I didn't know how to handle my sexuality/feelings properly. Unfortunately, these unexpressed feelings caused me to constantly stare at this person. She and others kept bringing up the concern as to why I kept staring at her. Of course, I was too frightened to be 100% honest so, I would just say that I didn't know. I don't think that it even occurred to me how uncomfortable that I could have been making this person feel.

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      • Its very possible he is doing the same thing that you did in the past. As for why someone would get a kick out of scaring people, there are even more possible reasons for that, sexual and non-sexual. Some people may do it simply because they find it funny.
        Either way we dont know why he is acting the way he is. It may be best to just shop elsewhere but nothing you have mentioned made him sound dangerous to me. Then again its possible he is, but so could the mailman. Who knows.

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  • RoseIsabella

    I would talk to your relative about this and see if ya'll can maybe shop elsewhere.

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    • Avant-Garde

      I keep trying to talk to her about this but, it is like she doesn't take me seriously. She doesn't understand why I am not attracted to him and why I am creeped out by him. I tried telling her the first time I got sick, that it was from the stress of having to go to that store. She quickly shot me down. Even with my mother, I feel as though she is not taking this as seriously as needs to be taken. She told that I better not fall in love with someone else in the store that works there because if he finds out, he might get made and hurt that person. I don't get why he should even legally be allowed to get that far.

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      • RoseIsabella

        Would it be possible for you to set a boundary and state that you won't be going to that store as long as Granny's not willing to try to understand and respect your feelings.

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        • Avant-Garde

          My mother actually managed to convince her that we should switch stores.

          There is something that occurred to me today… I don't know if you believe in Auras or in general paranormal abilities, but something strange happened when he contorted his face. It was like I caught a glimpse of his soul. I saw a dark grey square "aura" appear on his face. It was brief, but I saw/sensed that there was something evil and tainted about it. It was like I saw a dark side of him, one that no one is supposed to know about. It is like something he tries to keep under wraps. O_O

          I have thought about alerting police and even hiring a P.I incase I don't have enough evidence.

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          • RoseIsabella

            I'm so glad to hear that your mother managed to convince Granny to switch stores! I was getting ready to go to my mom's house for Easter dinner and I thought about you and that you would be in my prayers. I was stalked by a guy in college and I know it ain't no picnic!

            That's interesting about you feeling like you saw the creepy guy's aura. Perhaps you have a gift. I have no idea want it means, but the
            program director at my old college radio station told me I had an amber colored aura.

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            • Avant-Garde

              Thank you. :)

              I have a history of experiencing varying degrees psychic abilities. I can see the outline auras of things in life. The right eye's main colour is a deep neon blue colour that sometimes turns violet. The left eye's main colour is a neon yellow that sometimes turns amber. These might be degrees of intensities.

              I looked up what a gray aura means. Gray usually has negative connotations especially, if the aura is muddy or murky. This indicates a negative meanings with all colours. I found some interesting interpretations:

              - Grey being a mucking colour: dark thoughts, depressing thoughts, unclear intentions, presence of a dark side of personality

              - illness

              - Charcoal grey is seen in people with mental illness, suicidal tendencies, and severe depression

              - Dark grey shows deception, psychical imbalances, and a secretive nature

              In general, none of this is a good thing when you factor in his behaviors. O_O

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  • davesumba

    bitch please

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    • Avant-Garde

      Women need to be more aware of their environments. I have no means of protecting myself and this guy is doing testosterone therapy, which can have some very bad side effects. You honestly think that I want to be terrorized and made psychically ill, by someone who could become aggressive and have mood swings at any moment?

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      • davesumba

        You watch too much TV.

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  • dickwashington

    buy your self some pepper spray just in case

    do you have any large male friends or relatives you could go shopping with for intimidation purposes?

    you should talk to a manager at this store about how there employee is makeing you feel uncomfortable

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    • I dont think telling the manager is right because it could get the guy fired and i dont see what he is doing wrong exactly.
      I guess i can relate because ive been accused of being creepy a lot even though im actually very friendly. I just have little understanding of social rules and come off as awkward. Ive been told i look like im up to something when im not too. I wouldnt recognize these things if they werent pointed out to me often. Not everyone whos weird is dangerous.

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    • Avant-Garde

      There's nothing that I could carry that stuff in because, I don't wear a purse. I have been concerned about potentially getting into trouble if I tried any defensive measures against this guy with weapons. I have thought about hitting the gym and learning a type of marital arts. I am putting myself at a serious disadvantage by being untrained and having such small muscle mass. The increase in muscle mass might make me look intimidating. If I ever get into a situation that requires self-defense, the marital art should come into place.

      I sadly don't have any male friends. I had one, that is a gay man. He looks muscly. The thing is is that I lost contact with him, for whatever reason… If possible, I could've gotten him to have pretended to be my boyfriend. I think that it could have been rather convincing, at least on my part if not his…

      I have a uncle who is a veteran. He learned self-defense in the military. The main issue is that he doesn't live in the same state as me. I don't think that it would be fair to him to have to have him constantly go out of his way just to come protect me. Besides, all of my life, I have been way too dependent on others.

      I had been advised by someone to go to the store management if he was persistent. Like wise, this person also advised to politely yet firmly, say "no. Thank you" to him if he ever asked things of me that I wasn't comfortable with. i.e (phone number, out on a date, etc)

      A relative of mine in panic told me not to go to management. That it is his word against mine since there is an seemingly perceived difference in race.

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      • dickwashington

        good point martial arts would probly be you best option didnt think about that

        yes if you did go to the manager it would be your word against his but the customer is always right so if you did bring it up to the manager theres a good chance he would not be happy with his employee or at least the manager would scare him away you know what i mean? trust me i work in a retail store theres everybodys first concern is the customers happiness

        what does race have to do with it though

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          Would I still retain that right if the guy turned out to be a minor? I say this because I haven't got the faintest clue as to how old this guy is. Before he started taking testosterone, he looked pretty young. After wards, he looks like he could be somewhere in his late teens. There was a time, when I believe that I might have inadvertently lead him on and of extreme nervousness. I didn't say anything inappropriate to him. All I said was that it was nice to see him too.

          I would like to believe that race wouldn't be a deciding factor over who should be believed. But my mother is hell bent on believing that it will be. Apparently, if this guy is a lose cannon waiting to explode, if he knew that it was me that reported him, he could make things for me very difficult.

          I really don't want to have to go back into that store, at the very least, until I've learned how to protect myself and have some type of visible muscle. There's a back area for staff, that is for the most part empty. The last time I saw him, he kept coming back and forth out of there. I would hate to bump into him on the way and be in such an isolated area with him. It is extremely difficult knowing who is the bloody manager and where to find them, because everyone is all over the fucking place, doing multiple jobs, and getting randomly transferred.

          There's not even a "compliant box" on the company's site. It's annoying and shows, I guess, poor business ethics.

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      • shuggy-chan

        you point him out, and i'll scare him for you >8O grrrrrrr

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  • Anime7

    This sounds very scary. I'm with dom180 on this one, I don't really know any useful advice. But I hope you're okay, from the sound of it there is something off about this man.

    Since you switched stores, hopefully that means that that's the last you've seen of him.

    Seriously I hope you're fine now. *Hug*

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  • dom180

    I don't know what to say. I don't have first-hand experience of how you feel, but I imagine it is awful. I don't have any useful advice either, although I wish I did. Look out for yourself and stay safe.

    *hug*

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      Thank you.

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  • This sounds extremely creepy. In fact I started feeling a bit ill just by reading more of what you wrote about him. But you say the situation is over? If it is, that's great.
    Anyway, I don't think you're being paranoid at all. I have never experienced exactly your situation but I have definitely come across people on the street or in a store that naturally repulse me and scare the crap out of me. It is bad.

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  • uscareme

    Classic. You may be paranoid, I don't know. You seem like you could potentially be, because of your rambling posts and occasionally disconnected points.

    However, all these guys trying to convince you that you are overreacting, saying it would be charming behavior if you were attracted to the man, that you are going to ruin someone's life by making baseless accusations. Blah, blah, blah.

    There is this thing called body language. All healthy humans are capable of reading it to some degree. Men, as humans, understand body language. Of course they recognize it when another man is threatening them personally.

    Why is it so hard to understand that dangerous behavior doesn't usually come out of the blue at extreme that-guy-needs-treatment-or-arrest level? Women are presumed to be making crazy accusations when a holistic analysis of situation, including body language, makes us uncomfortable. Sure, a lot of the time it's nothing. Just like how a lot of the time when people get pissed there's no fight.

    That doesn't mean the guy didn't, what's the phrase? Bow up?

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      The situation is over. I'll admit that I did get paranoid after I stopped going to the store. You have to understand that I was terrified. I had an attempted stalker once before and his behaviors were sending alarm bells in my head. His methods to ascertain my personal information were very similar to the person before him. He scared me in a similar way as the person before did. However, the person before actually did abuse and threaten me. Just like before, no one believed me when I tried to voice my concerns.

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  • cakebadger

    Nothing like jumping to insane conclusions, that's how people ruin other peoples lives.

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  • Gunkmunky

    Do you have any pictures of yourself naked?

    Want to buy some?

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    • Avant-Garde

      No.

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  • noid

    Didn't you used to work at the store with this man?

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    • Avant-Garde

      No, never.

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