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Like the title goes, do you think Chivalry is dead or dying and if so, are you trying to keep it alive?
| It's dead or dying and I'm helping to keep it alive | 28 | |
| It's dead or dying and I'm leaving it that way | 13 | |
| It's alive and kicking and I'm keeping it alive | 9 | |
| It's alive and kicking but I'm not showing it to others | 5 |
I don't divided the genders into typical roles. Everyone should be equal. Just respect everyone all the time and DBAA.
Not meaning to be rude, but if it comes off that way, so be it.
Wake up and smell the coffee, equality isn't here, and I doubt it will ever happen.
Not meaning to be rude either, but if it comes off that way, so be it. Wake up and smell the coffee, I used words like: I don't AND should. I didn't say everyone or does. I never said it was here, I said it should be. No it will never happen. I was talking about the way I live my life.
I think in a lot of cases chivalry is wrongly mistaken for misogyny when it should be seen as politeness. Some men believe that to be chivalrous is to be misogynistic and other men believe that women see it as patronising. Others believe that it is by it's nature discriminative against men if a woman expects chivalry.
I don't think most women expect chivalry, and I don't think most women see it as either misogynistic or patronising. I think most women actually really appreciate it.
I also don't think it is a symbol of discrimination against men, although I can see why some people might think of it that way, and the people who think of it that way are definitely entitled to their point of view.
I don't know how chivalrous the world was in past times, because I've never lived in past times. But it makes sense to say that it is on the decline. I think chivalry is a good thing, and the world would be a better place for everyone if there was more of it.
i thank a man who opens the door for me or waits for me to go first, i am suprised and pleased, it makes me happy
To quote the comedian Dave Chapelle:
"Chivaly is dead, and women killed it."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZRflz-93JA&feature=related
I am a male and I have great respect for women and I'm an advocate for women's rights. So I pay a great deal of attention to chivalry. Plus I'm a sucker for romance. But I understand and accept that other men are different.
Men have always had rights and things are still tilted in males favor and there's still very much old world sexism
resonating in people. That is why I am an advocate. In reality there probably should be a male movement as my gender is lost and delusional.
People are being mean to you, and I didn't think your comment would slip past ItDuz lol So I thought I would leave a little support and tell you that I think that's great n.n Of coarse men deserve respect to, as they were saying, but that doesn't mean a guy can't leave a comment and state that he still gives a damn. I'm glad someones sticking out in the crowd and being a gentlemen :)
You mean like how a woman will get less jail time for the same crime, under the same circumstanced than a male that has done the same crime?
You mean how domestic violence is barely taken seriously, and not even considered news worthy by the media, even when the "recorded" domestic violence rate is 40% with a male as a victim, and a female as a victimizer. Keep in mind, that 40% is only the number they took seriously. 40% is nearly half of all domestic violence, yet I'm still to see mainstream media talk about it.
You mean how women will get custody far more likely than the father simply because she's female, which some explain may be the reason why so many men commit suicide after divorce?
You mean how a woman is allowed to take everything the man has and worked for after a divorce, and it's a law, regardless of her not working at all to earn the money? Which also most likely leads to why so many men commit suicide after divorce?
You mean how a woman can decide a man's future due to pregnancy, that she can choose to avoid responsibility due to abortion, yet males aren't allowed to claim financial abortion, and in so the woman basically decides the man's future?
You mean how women can abuse a man in public by a slap, yet if a woman is punched by a man, even if she slapped him first, he's a bad guy?
You mean how women can talk about male gential mutilation on national TV, laugh and mock the guy, even when the guy had it done to him by his wife simply because he asked for a divorce (try and show me when men have ever been able to make fun of a ppor woman that was victimized by a man by genital mutilation, and then the men laugh about it)?
If you think men have more rights than men, then don't speak for the whole gender when you say we're all delusional. Are we lost? Yes, we don't know what our roles are anymore, and society is suffering due to it. Are we delusional? No. We know, or most of us know what is going on, it's the fact that no matter how many of us try to change it, everything is discarded due to us being male.
Wow, that was more an essay than a comment. I support equal rights, but in order to obtain equal rights we must support the rights of women. You have made some good points and put across a good argument, although I so pick up a little bit of misogyny coming across, but I could be wrong. And perhaps you are only concentrating on the issue inside of your own country?
In Afghanistan, women and girls are imprisoned for running away from domestic violence or forced marriage. Domestic violence, sexual assault and other forms of gender-based violence deprive women and girls of their fundamental ability to live with dignity. Women and girls experience domestic violence and sexual assault at alarming rates. Governments, institutions, laws and policies contribute to the systematic devaluation of the lives and safety of women and girls by failing to respond to gender based violence and discriminating against those subject to such violence.
The newspapers in Pakistan are flooded with stories everyday of women raped and murdered, mutilated and burned, appendages cut off and traded to settle disputes.
Women and girls in Colombia are often treated as trophies of war. They are raped and sexually abused by the warring parties as a way to silence and punish them. Even when women muster the courage to report a case of rape or sexual violence, these are rarely investigated effectively. Barriers to justice include a historical lack of political will to combat impunity, ineffective protection measures for witnesses of survivors, poor gender training for judical officials and lack of definitions in the national legislation on rape as a crime under international law.
Historically the criminal justice system has been a particularly male dominated part of our legal system and female victims, suspects, offenders and practitioners have been marginalized. I live in Australia and have female friends who have tried to make it in pursuing a career in law, only to find law firms are "boy clubs" and have been exposed to gross sexism in the workplace.
The human rights of women throughout the Middle East and North Africa are systematically denied. For example, family penal and citizenship laws throughout the region relegate women to a subordinate status compared to their male counterparts. This legal discrimination undermines women's full personhood and equal participation in society and puts women at an increased risk for violence. Family decision making is in the exclusive domain of men.
In Saudi Arabia, women aren't allowed to drive, or ride bikes. In China, the one child policy has heightened the disdain for female infants; abortion, neglect, abandonment, and infanticide have been known to occur to female infants.
I could go on and keep giving you more examples but I will leave it there. Ultimately every human being deserves rights and our world is far from perfect. It is simply an issue I feel passionate about and want to speak out about. I admit the word delusional to describe men wasn't the right word to use. You speak well for the rights of men and I support a male movement like I said, perhaps we can start one? Haha. Thank you for the intellectual discussion.
What? Since when was equal rights only achievable when women get equality? Equality is only achievable when both are treated equally, and women always protest against males being able to have the rights women have, yet expect to be treated like men? Actually, no, they don't want to be treated like men, they wanted to be treated like overpriveledged women. Too many times on this site when I upload a story about men being able to have the same opportunities as women, or women having to have the negatives of equalitgy, have I been called sexist. Women, or most, view equality as only getting the positives, but not letting anyone else have the positives.
There was no misogyny in what I said, what I said are fact, and this is where I come from when I say that women only want to focus on "their" treatment, because as soon as a male (me, in this situation) talks about how males are being mistreated, they are misogynists. If we classed every statement to make women equal as misandry, women would have a fit, yet males have to put up with it happening to them.
The areas in which I researched this up is in America, it is the worst there, but I like in the UK, and I have experienced first hand the inequalities of being male, such as sexual harrassment and assault.
In Afghanistan? Ask anybody of this society, you'll find that almost all of them dislike how women are treated in foreign countries, including me. But I'm talking about this society, one that is apparantly trying to be equal. Afghanistan doesn't involve the wh ole "equal for both genders" idea, but we do, and ever since then it seems men are gradually having more difficulty. I'm glad women have their rights, but ever since they have, the male gender has been doing less than it could be doing, and it begs the question "why?".
Once again, that country is one of complete inequality, so we know exactly how women are treated there, and nearly everyone believes it shouldn't be that way. Although, us in this society that is apparantly trying to find equality, we are only focusing on the female side, while not caring about the male side. The difference is that one isn't looking for equality, and the other is.
You are talking about other countries that have sexism in them, which I never dissagreed happened. The difference is that our society is the one seeking complete equality, and have this misguieded idea that by giving women everything good about being a man, but nothing negative, that equality would be achieved by those ways.
It depends on what area of law you are talking about. If you're talking about being an officer of the law, then I have to agree that women shouldn't be in that area of work, and it's completely understandable if she is paid less. I believe it is understadable due to the effort they can give in. If there is an assault, and officers see it, the woman is less likely to help the man being assaulted by restraining the male victimizer than a man is to resolve the situation due to physical strength. If there is a dangerous enviroment, and there is a woman with a man (both officers), the woman is safer due to having a male officer to protect her if she is attacked, but you can't say the same about a woman officer protecting a male officer, she just doesn't have the physical strength or capability to protect the male officer like another male officer would be able to protect his male partner.
In some areas, men are better at jobs, and maybe that's why they are male dominated fields? Regardless, saying something like that would be sexist to women, even when mainstream media is allowed to sit there and say women are better at financing, etc, yet it isn't sexism there? Perhaps men are just better at the job than women? Afterall, women apparantly can be better than men in other areas of work, so why can't it be said the same for men without someone screaming sexism?
When I replied to you, I was speaking about this society, the society that is about equality. Everybody will accept sexism against women in those area are wrong, but in our society that is about equality, women are the only ones allowed to be complimentedc on a massive scale for jobs that involve intelligence. The only thing men are allowed to get credit for in our society of equality is physical strength, never intelligence, yet women are always allowed to get explained to be the more intelligent gender, regardless of male contribution in science, math, and technology being far greater.
Since women have been given equality, a large portion of them believe themselves to be better than men. It make you wonder what men had to gain in this society from treating women the way they should? You would think that we would be treated equal by now, but this society is slowly, but surely, becoming a male hating society, regardless of everyone in the society that looks for equality depending on male contribution to keep society going, to get fuel and power to their homes, etc.
Our society would rather reward women for the smaller things they do than reward men for the great things they do.
Real feminism looks for equality, not empowerment solely for women. Feminists have corrupted the concept over the years.
When women love the bad boys who treat them like trash, but friend-zone the guy who brings them flowers, what do you expect?
Most nice guys are only nice because they think it will get them somewhere or they don't have the balls to be bad boys. So they aren't really nice because it's not coming from the right place. So i wouldn't say Chivalry is dead, it never truly existed in the first place. Nice guys finish last because they're pathetic.
When I think chivalry, I think back to like.. the victorian era lol Just how long has it been dying??!? :P But seriously, chivalry died when women stopped deserving it ~.~ You know, back when getting some wasn't as easy as a bottle of vodka?
Well, I'm sorry to say -nothing against feminism really. And I come from fighting sports training with awesome girls who can kick anybody's ass... But i gotta say this -if you want to be treated like a lady -be a lady. If you go around preaching "girl power" and total equality of sexes, you get what you pay for. if we're all the same, why would I go out of my way to do anything for you? Do it yourself. Chivalry was dead and rotten once the emancipation turned into self righteous witchhunt.
Chivalry is dying, and equality is rising. It's neither good or bad, but it's certainly a work in progress.
In the sense that I wouldn't do something for someone simply because of their gender I'd agree. Somehow we've managed as a society to get politeness and courtesy confused with chivalry though.
Well, in the case of the strongest sense of the word, knights aren't really around anymore.... So yea, chivalry -or 'knightliness'- is pretty dead.