Is anyone actually a racist?
There's so much on the news everyday about this and I've never met a racist and I'm wondering if it true, partially true, or is all of it divide and conquer.
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_Mehhhh_
As I've said before, that word has just become trivialised and thrown around too liberally.
"Partial" is the answer. Yes of course there's racists, of any race, I think to deny that is shallow and burying your head in the sand. It's fine to call out that bigotry when you see it.
At the same time though, I can't stand this trend of labelling any perceived slight against "people of colour" as racist, when it is not necessarily. When you trivialise an important word like "racist", you pave the way for people to just shrug and act like "oh what are they bitching about now?" when there is an actual real aggressive act of racism. It's the boy who called wolf effect.
I'm by no means a Trump supporter so don't take this to mean I am. However, I don't think Trump would be president right now, if people hadn't spent the last 25 years or so throwing "that's racist." around as a supposedly profound argument. Here we have this president, who actually is a demagogue, but nobody takes it seriously because they're brushing off (genuine) accusations of racism against him as "oh this is just some triggered liberals". That's the environment liberals have created all by themselves, and I say that as someone on the left myself.
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bubsy
You definitely have the right train of thought but I think you came to the wrong conclusion about Trump. A simple reason: nobody's life has been more scrutinized than his, especially from his political opponents.
If he was genuinely a racist or a sexist, we'd have an ample amount of evidence instead of vague claims that are never followed up on. Kind of reminds you about the whole Russia thing, doesn't it?
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/164297628606/how-to-know-youre-in-a-mass-hysteria-bubble
"On November 8th of 2016, half the country learned that everything they believed to be both true and obvious turned out to be wrong. The people who thought Trump had no chance of winning were under the impression they were smart people who understood their country, and politics, and how things work in general. When Trump won, they learned they were wrong. They were so very wrong that they reflexively (because this is how all brains work) rewrote the scripts they were seeing in their minds until it all made sense again. The wrong-about-everything crowd decided that the only way their world made sense, with their egos intact, is that either the Russians helped Trump win or there are far more racists in the country than they imagined, and he is their king. Those were the seeds of the two mass hysterias we witness today.
Trump supporters experienced no trigger event for cognitive dissonance when Trump won. Their worldview was confirmed by observed events."
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factcheck
If you don't think there's an ample amount of evidence that Trump is extremely racist and sexist, there's nothing that could convince you.
There's nothing vague about housing discrimination. There's nothing vague about saying laziness is a trait in blacks. There's nothing vague about accusing Obama of being born in Kenya. There's nothing vague about calling for the death penalty for the Central Park Five even after they were proven innocent. There's nothing vague about saying millions of people voted illegally. There's nothing vague about calling white supremacists fine people.
There's nothing vague about wanting to build a wall. There's nothing vague about saying a judge can't be impartial because he's Mexican. There's nothing vague about saying Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists.
There's nothing vague about calling for a Muslim ban. There's nothing vague about attacking the Muslim Gold Star parents.
There's nothing vague about hiring Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller. There's nothing vague about Mike Flynn and Jeff Sessions.
There's nothing vague about "grab them by the pussy." There's nothing vague about being a rapist several times over. There's nothing vague about literally everything he's ever said when he's ever talked about any woman ever, even his daughter.
These aren't vague claims. They're indisputable facts. There's no denying the fact that he is extremely racist and sexist.
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bubsy
You are suffering from mass hysteria. You have come up with a laundry list of hilariously-skewed 'facts' you deem "extremely racist and sexist". These in particular made me lol, and are downright false:
"There's nothing vague about saying millions of people voted illegally."
Millions of people did and do vote illegally, every year: http://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/do-illegal-votes-decide-elections
About 2.8 million people are registered in more than one state, according to the study, and 1.8 million registered voters are dead. In most places it’s easy to vote under the names of such people with little risk of detection.
"There's nothing vague about calling white supremacists fine people."
This is regarding the Charlottesville comment, I assume. You realize that the rally was a protest against removing a Robert E. Lee statue, correct? Do you truly believe everyone who protested the removal is a white supremacist?
Do you truly believe Trump has anything to gain from supporting white supremacists? If you believe white supremacists are in his pocket, why would he even risk political suicide siding with them?
Do some more thinking.
"There's nothing vague about saying a judge can't be impartial because he's Mexican."
This one tells me you haven't done enough digging: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_P._Curiel
With Trump painted as 'anti-Mexican', do you seriously believe a La Raza judge will be unbiased?
The SDLRLA is also an affiliate of the Hispanic National Bar Association. The former president of this group, Rafael Santiago, was on the board of the National Council of La Raza. La Raza views itself as a non-radical Latino advocacy group, but Hispanic civil rights leader Cesar Chavez called the movement “anti-gringo.”
"There's nothing vague about calling for a Muslim ban."
It's funny because even the talking heads at CNN have moved on from your supposed "facts". These were flavors of the month to beat over and over to fill the drama that is the 24/7 news cycle.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/feb/07/reince-priebus/were-7-nations-identified-donald-trumps-travel-ban/
The threat of terror is high from some predominantly-Muslim countries. Restricting travel for people who have lived in/visited these countries is a no-brainer than even the Obama Administration understood.
"There's nothing vague about being a rapist several times over."
I remember we had all those women coming out in bunches just a week or two before election. Aside from their interesting timing, isn't it odd that not a single one has actually ACTED on their allegation? As in a lawsuit?
If Trump raped anybody, do you seriously think the Clinton campaign wouldn't have found them?
I'm giving you all these questions in a hope they force you to see common sense here. Entertain the idea that you may be under some sort of hysteria: re-examine your "facts".
Stop placing your ego in your political views, and then get back to me.
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[Old Memory]
I've chatted with this person before. Trust me, no matter what you say, even if she/he knows they don't have a response to counter, she/he won't accept it and most likely resort to buzzwords to try Shame ya out of your position.
Great comment though.
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Maid_in_Pink
Lol, I don't normally check out things like this but this one had me laughing.
"There's nothing vague"
You do realize that these "indisputable facts" as you call them have had zero displayed evidence aside from contextual applications created specifically to seduce the public into an ideology that he's a monster. And the sad part is that even though everyone is all like, "Oh my god, look at this!" and there are worse displays present in the government that they refuse to talk about because they aren't the "enemy" as lefties like to call Trump.
So let me hit you with this:
There's nothing vague about the huge piles of actual evidence of all the flagrantly racist people in Hillary's camp and the entirety of the Democratic Party, or all the flagrant sexism in place in her own campaign headquarters where she actively paid female employees less money than male counterparts.
If you want to talk about sexism and racism, talk about both at least. Hillary and Trump are both shit, but at least I don't have my head buried so far up Hillary's snatch that I don't see how terrible basically every piece of crap in the government is.
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rayb12
When Trump is extremely racist, where do we put those who make claims about differences in races on a daily basis, those who openly hate another race, those who give long racist epitaphs, those who explode at a person and call them slurs, those who harass people of a certain race at their job, those who commit violent hate crimes, white nationalists, klansmen?
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MangoTango
I don't really think people are racist. They're more or less clannish. Groups of people will find differences to nitpick in order to exclude others and identify their own kind whatever they want to believe. It's kind of human nature. People are less intolerant to differences in more cosmopolitan areas where there's a melting pot atmosphere. It's like if you're in an airport in a major city. Less overt racism will be an issue there (well, kind of, truth be told in the past decade some people of certain races or hailing from certain regions of the world do get profiled in airports, and are more apt to be harassed for no other reason than their race and cultural attributes). If you go to a place that's overwhelmingly dominated by a lack of diversity, obviously, anyone that looks different might get unwarranted attention, or maybe possibly discrimination if the locals are ignorant and hostile to outsiders.
The media never dives into what kind of intolerance issues exist with people like class divisions that are probably more of an exclusionary division than authentic racism.
It's really dumb to be racist in the 21st Century. That makes no sense whatsoever. However, it's also stupid to ignore that physiological traits are the same the world over. Some people do have advantages and disadvantages. Like, if a Scandinavian person lives at the equator, uh, they're going to get severely sunburned. Someone with heavy melanin production that is native to an equatorial location will have skin tone adapted to the climate. I've always wondered if Asians have a natural quantitative brilliance (or is it just a tenacious work ethic)? Excuse me for being curious. My curiosity doesn't mean that I think one race is superior or inferior to another. Nope. Humans have evolved to the geography of their origin that is evidently changing as humans at this time, for the past century have been crisscrossing the globe leaving whatever geographic origins that gave the individual their physical traits.
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[Old Memory]
The label "racist" and those akin to it are used today to character assassinate political opponents regardless of if the person is actually racist.
It's why certain folk are so willing Ti brand someone a "Nazi" because they disagree with them.
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MrDexter
You are fortunate enough not to see it. However it does exist everywhere in modern society. To change a mindset you must change how its viewed, to change an injustice you simply alter the laws. You can't arrest someone for being of color or simply being white. It doesn't mean you can't judge based on being of color or white.
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S12207
Thanks everyone for your input, it has really helped to make light of it all. It's just really mind blowing how after all these years everything is changing at once between the taking down of historical monuments to the NFL and I don't see any of this hatred ever in my life but every time I check to see what's going on in the world all I have ever hear is racism this and racism that. I havent bothered with mainstream news in years and it's still all I hear.
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Countess_Kittycat
Racism is a structural component of society, which is more present in some parts than in others. No one is totally immune, and some people actually enjoy it and take pride in it. Most people that do act in racist ways and are not conscious of it (or don't acknowledge or accept it), however, are not open about it. Today, racism is still very present in society, but, in many circles, mainly in nuanced or hidden ways.
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Algum
That's right. Racism has not gone away since the Jim Crow Law days, it has only become more sneaky and undercover. The racial hatred is still there. The racial violence has not gotten better either. Now, instead of lynchings, it's incidents like Michael Brown and Eric Garner.
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Grunewald
There's defo a difference between where I am now, and my experience of the UK.
In my present place (which I want to keep confidential) there seems to be a whole 'way' of existing as a black person that's different from existing as a white person. There is a 'black' way of acting and a 'white' way of acting. I can see how the UK might regard my present country - or me for saying this - as racist. This phenomenon is nowhere near as pronounced in the UK. But still, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. In my current country, it really is possible to make systematic predications about how a person is going to act based on their country of origin - and for those predictions to be right. I can see why there are tensions here. It really matters if someone uses a racial slur here because it's in the context of a pronounced cultural divide, and the fragile political relationship between separate communities is what it's all about. You can see why people of different races might not be keen on each other - it's not personal; it's because 'your community hates my community'. At home in the UK, by contrast, I'd hear a slur and would be more inclined to just ask (if it wasn't a recent immigrant, or an orthodox Muslim) 'what's your beef? What does making remarks like that even actually do for you?'
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bob7
99% of racist don't define themselves as racists, but they will treat people with different races differently. I have caught myself doing that a few times
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Algum
Racism has not really gotten better since the Jim Crow Law days. America may have stopped official public segregation (seperate buses, schools, restaurants, bars, restrooms, waterfountains for blacks and whites), and people have in general made their racist thoughts less obvious, but their prejudice hatred is still there. It is all just more sneaky and undercover now. The Civil Rights movement did not kill off racism, it just made racism stay presenting itself in different forms. And to say that there is less racial violence today is also innacurate. What about Michael Brown, Tyrone Harris, and Eric Garner?
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NinjaKitten
i know some people that act a little racist but i dont think that they are overall racists, im not a racist. i will accept anyone no matter the looks, i will only judge by actions and reasons :)
im finnish, and my bf is from like the other side of the world, he has a nice dark skin, i think of skin color as much as i think of hair color and eye color, so barely at all :)Comment Hidden ( show )