Ask Your Question today
With the recent mass shooting in Oregon, should America consider an all out ban on firearms
America is the only advanced country that sees massacres like this with such a frequency
Or should America do what Australia did and ban any gun that isn't a bolt-action rifle or a double-barreled shotgun
Personally I am very pro-gun, but I'd like to hear what you guys (and gals) think on this important issue.
| Yes | 20 | |
| No | 30 | |
| Do what Australia did | 13 |
Pointless. If someone wants to kill a bunch of people they will find a way.
It won't help. Firearms will still be available on the black market (sorry to you Negroes out there, but that is what it is called). So no, it won't keep guns out of the hards of anybody who wants them.
What makes America unique in the world is our constitution and how we stick to it. The 2nd amendment is very clear. The people need to have the right to bear arms-- for protection (against potential tyrannical governments too). Guns arent the real issue, mental sickness is. If you take away guns then people will just use other lethal weapons, knives bombs whatever they can find. Will you ban those too? Almost anything can be lethal, even a sharpened toothbrush. And since criminals tend to get their guns illegally, taking away innocent citizens guns only serves to leave them defenseless.
The problem is mental illness. We have a sick culture and a lot of people need help out there. It doesnt help that we have people on 4chan and other places encouraging this evil behavior just because its anonymous place online. We need to do a better job of paying attention to those among us who are at risk of harming themselves or others.
Also just a bit of FYI-- there have alwats been shootings, only difference is the media didnt use to cover them all. Nowadays we hear about every single one for weeks and it feels like the problem is spiraling out of control when it isnt. Its always been like this.
I agree it is the person behind the gun, not the gun itself, but the trouble is a gun makes it very easy for a person to kill not just one or 2 people but as many as their craziness and ammo supply allows. Whether it be in the heat of the moment or if they're just bat shit crazy.
Fine then ban guns all you want. It still won't solve anything. Most criminals get their guns ILLEGALY. Also people can now make guns at home out of 3d printers, resin plastic, etc. if your goal is to reduce the violence, you have to help these very sick people.
It's not up to me ban guns.
I don't know what the solution is for the USA, but I live in a country with a gun ban and it has made a big difference.
I don't think it's as simple as that for the USA however, as guns and gun culture are so enmeshed with the American psyche. I think that's where the problem lies. You also have a large population.
A gun ban does not equal no shootings as crims and crazies will still get access, but where I live, it has been a step in the right direction.
That's an excellent point that now anyone with a 3d printer can make their own gun. No background check neccesary.
Banning guns is like trying to put the genie back in the bottle.
I wonder why America has such a problem with mental illness relative to say, Switzerland, where's guns practically grow on trees. America doesn't have anything other countries don't so its hard to blame movies, music and games.
We have tons of things other countries dont. Switzerland is a small European country full of whites who only care about chocolate and financial banking schemes.
America isa crazy place with tons of angry negros, illegal immigrants spewing across the border everyday, we have Wall Street, Hollywood, powerful media. We invented fast food. We invent iPhones and driverless cars. We have a black Prez, multiple major religions, lots of languages, we have many different big cities. Medicare fraud. Hummers. Wounded soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan. The internet basically started here. Ebay. Amazon. Walmart. Starbucks. Mcdonalds.
This is a crazy fast-paced upside down culture. It is conpletely different than anywhere else in the world. It is one giant cesspool of everything.
Hi, Switzerland here
First of all we're not all white and we got plenty of differetnt cultures here.
Secondly you can't compare the amount of guns as we have an entirely different system:
Most Swiss men have to join the army and therefor have a service rifle at home, but they are not allowed to keep ammo for it. Of course the cops also have guns and hunters use them too. But I know NOBODY who has a gun for "personal protection". If there are gun stores in Switzerland I haven't seen any yet, whereas in the US you can buy guns and ammo anywhere.
The part about the chocolate was true though.
Yep! Honestly, I think the Oregon college shooter's mother is more to blame than any gun shop owner. I mean it sounds like she was in some deep denial, and really coddling him too much. I'd be interested to know if she ever tried to get him any psychiatric help and counseling or if she thought he would just "snap out of it" it she harassed the neighbors enough about the sounds of their children playing and dog's barking.
I'm not saying we should all love lots of environmental noise, but when someone is deeply disturbed by that sort of thing it's indicative of something much more serious. I wimpy person with violent tendencies is never a good thing. I guess I wonder if she ever thought a lot of his issues were not normal.
I'm not normal of course, but that's because I'm quite mad you know.
Oh so it's his MOTHER'S fault? Not the idiots who oppose laws that would've prevented him from having a gun in the first place?
Exactly, gun shops are just businesses peddling goods. Unless a merchant knowingly sells a gun to a crazy person or a criminal, he's (or she) not doing anything wrong as far as I am concerned
Its a real shame about the shooter because I feel like most people know at least one unstable person, but most unstable people don't commit violent crimes, you know? Its a tough call and even if you report them the state can only hold them for 48 hours barring any extraordinary circumstances.
The anti-gun nuts are saying we need more gun laws, but the campus was a gun free zone yet that didn't stop him...criminals do not care about gun laws. hope this doesn't sound like I'm blaming the victims, I'm not, but the ironic thing is if someone on that campus was allowed to carry a gun maybe they could have actually put this guy down before he murdered 9 people and injured 9 more. The police can only get on the scene so quickly. if you're going to make it so students cannot pack heat than, in my opinion, the campus had a moral obligation to have at least one armed guard posted. The whole situation is a damn shame and this shouldn't be happening in America.
The sickness is deep in your society but tighter gun laws are a start most definitely.
I wouldn't say ban them, but things do need to be a little stricter around here because things have gotten ridiculous.
Hell no!! If you can buy a gun do it. I have two.
So don't break in my house.
Or you could put programs into action that help mentally ill people instead of taking all the guns away. The problem isn't about weapons-it's about mental health. Nowadays people have to go to a private insurer to receive help. It's gotten so bad that a person who is a threat to themselves or others only gets 72 hours before they're released again, regardless of if they're still a threat.
But if you try to explain why we need government programs to treat or contain the violently ill, suddenly people back off. They don't want any portion of their money to go to socialized health care. And then there are those people who still believe deinstitutionalization was a good thing and that doing so would harm the rights of the mentally ill.
Its a pickle for sure. Thats why the can always gets kicked down the road yet again. I guess ultimately it is about improving our communities, improving families, engaging kids in the classroom, creating jobs for people, etc. Making sure people stay productive and healthy. The way you affect these things is through leadership. Strong, good leaders can help to guide a society in the right direction.
NOPE. no one knows anything about the SECOND Amendment. the founding fathers wanted no one take guns away from americans. Britain tried and didnt work. learn up on history people. we have a right to protect yourself and family and friends. banning guns is useless. bad people are going to find guns anyways
I think it would be much more productive to ban ssri's. They cause extremely violent and homicidal/suicidal thoughts. Whenever we have one of these lone gunman they've usually been taking anti-depressants. The media is well aware of this link, but because they get so much ad revenue from the pharmaceutical cartels they ignore it and focus on anti-gun propaganda. Anti-gun legislation serves a number of interest groups. It's not about reducing gun violence at all. It's just a lot of dishonest fucking politicians lining their own pocketbooks.
Not just ssri's but look at all the other meds advertised that mention strange behavioral changes as side effects. We are never told all the meds the gunmen are taking. If we were, no one would want to take that shit.
I am currently on ssri's. All they do is make me even more depressed and lethargic
Stop taking them. I was basically told after my dad died and I lost my job that it was abnormal for me to be depressed and that I needed to be taking zoloft. It gave me...very extreme thoughts. I would get what I have dubbed 'phantom thoughts.' Like, say I was at a dinner party with family I would just blurt out the most racist, reprehensible, abhorrent remarks and after I said them I'd think 'wait a minute..I don't believe that. Why did I say that?' Also, don't ever consume alcohol on those types of drugs. Then you'll really know what depression is.
To just stop taking them cold turkey can lead to psychosis, you have to taper off slowly or there will be more mass murders
Yeah I agree with that. I should have mentioned that. I remember I kept trying to stop taking them cold turkey and about 5 days later I would always have a complete emotional break down and start taking them again. That cycle went on for a couple of months until I finally had had enough and decided to just weather the withdrawals.
Why I'm aware of the danger of going off them cold turkey is that I did it about 15 years ago, initially accidentally because I was focussing on supporting a friend who'd just had two deaths close to her & I just kept forgetting to take them until it didn't seem worth going back on them. EXCEPT I became euphoric, similar to a bi-polar high: sold my house and wasted most of the money and am now old and will be renting for ever & struggling to keep myself from being homeless in my old age.
Those things are nothing to mess around with and there were some stats a few years ago showing that the overwhelming majority of the people committing these mass murders were either taking or had just stopped taking anti-depressants, from memory Prozac or similar, which is what I was on. It's interesting that they were all men: maybe the women coming off it just sell their houses and regret it for the rest of their lives? No stats on that ....