Is it normal to hate people who "think for themselves?"

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Show me someone who thinks for his or herself, and I will show you an uneducated moron who thinks that Pres. Obama is an android assembled by Russian/Muslim/Marxist homosexuals in a hidden factory on the moon, or that the government is about to unleash a zombie army on us all. Far too often, 'thinking for oneself' is used as an excuse for stupidity (often willful) and is all too often advocated by people who cannot do the very thing they claim everyone should do. I believe that the majority of people who claim to do it are conspiracy theorists and pseudo-intellectuals who are too up their own collective asses to actually bother with educating themselves about anything, so they charge that anyone who goes by what they deem 'the official story' are just 'sheep' who cannot possibly be exercising any individual thought of their own. Whenever you criticize an idiot's beliefs, he proclaims 'at least I think for myself,' as though it were some sort of intellectual feat to reach the dumbest conclusion on one's own, and that we should all be so ready to copy his/her example after seeing the results of 'thinking for oneself'.

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  • howaminotmyself
    9 years ago

    So people who claim to think for themselves are all Obama supporters, and morons.

    Did you read what you wrote? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I am sure there are plenty of people who have said this on both sides of the Obama fence as well as people who have no desire to walk near that fence.

    I get it, you don't like people who only repeat what they hear instead of researching the issue. But this concept is too broad narrow down to Obama specifically. But you know what I hate, I hate when people assume that I did not do the research simply because I have a different opinion. That is also moronic.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      9 years ago

      It's a specific example, retard. You don't start with generalities and than move to particulars, you start with particulars and than build generalities from that. In no way did I suggest that people who think for themselves are Obama supporters, my statement was in regards to people who will claim to 'think for themselves' but then swallow fully any sort of dumbass conspiracy bullshit in regards to the man (and AGAIN, this is only *one* example, and is largely *figurative* in its use. The fact that you feel it necessary to whine about it makes me think I've struck a nerve). Also, in no way did I actually support Obama in this post; if I did, please tell me where I put forth the notion that all Obama supporters 'think for themselves'.

      Again, 'think for themselves' is in quotations FOR A REASON. Why the fuck does nobody get that?

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      • howaminotmyself
        9 years ago

        No, your communication skills are lacking. Your first sentence is a run on sentence and says, "Show me someone who thinks for his or herself, and I will show you an uneducated moron who thinks that Pres. Obama is an android assembled by Russian/Muslim/Marxist homosexuals in a hidden factory on the moon, or that the government is about to unleash a zombie army on us all."

        Thinking=moron, that is what you said. Not me.

        And clearly my mental capacities are not slow. It is you who has zero argument other than insulting someone who tries to challenge you.

        If you want to discuss people who claim to "think for themselves" but then repeat catch phrases, then discuss that. But you are wrong. You start with something general then provide evidence in support that include specific examples. Who taught you to debate? Those who speak in blanket statements have no argument.

        And no nerve is struck, I'm not the one is having issues communicating. Which is surprising considering how scattered I am.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          9 years ago

          No, you're getting too hung up on words and want to play semantics. I insult you because I am insulted that I must break things down into simple pieces for a simpleton who fancies himself smart enough to explain to ME, what my own position is. My first statement is not a run-on and I find it rather amusing that you seem to think that the way a message is presented is somehow more valuable than the message itself.

          "And clearly my mental capacities are not slow. It is you who has zero argument other than insulting someone who tries to challenge you."

          The only 'challenge' coming from you is the one you were obviously born with; you have posed no challenge to my original statements whatsoever and have proceeded to whine about my style and pretend that what I say is somehow incomprehensible.

          "But you are wrong. You start with something general then provide evidence in support that include specific examples. Who taught you to debate? Those who speak in blanket statements have no argument."

          Nope, not at all. The method of induction derives generalities from particulars, not the other way around. The only way you can know anything about chairs or trees in general is to examine particulars. The examples I have given above are entirely particular and in no way can you say that they are generalities. I'm feeling awfully cold - can I borrow one of your quilts?

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          • howaminotmyself
            9 years ago

            Is this Chris?

            In this setting, all you have are words. It would be wise to use them more effectively.

            And you still haven't insulted me and I'm not sure why you are trying.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              9 years ago

              Who the hell is that?

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  • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk
    9 years ago

    so which thoughtful and reasonable life philosophy and political party has yall aligned yallself with?

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      9 years ago

      I am officially aligned with the 'Church of Minding Your Own Business,' but I'm thinking of converting to the 'Church of Latter-Day Gofuckyourself.' Would you like to hear about either?

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      • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk
        9 years ago

        from all yalls responses to the various commenters yall dont sound all too bright yallself

        mebbe next time yall could write a more concise post bout hatin peoples what subscribe to the weirdo fringes of them libertarians/greens/alternative political party which is what yallre struggling to do all along

        so go head and tell me to mind my own business and fuck myself, it wont make a fuckin bita difference in my life or yalls save to make me think a bit less of yall

        rest easy, ill still be here doin my thang dispensin enlightenin opinion to sheeps like yall

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          9 years ago

          I have nothing against alternative political parties and in no way have I implied that I do. Do you mean to suggest that any of these parties stand in fear of a possible zombie apocalypse? Didn't think so.

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          • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk
            9 years ago

            sounds to me like yalls tryin to say that the lowest common denominator is the mainstream

            that just aint so, remember the one whos always complainin how dumb everyone is is usually the dumb one

            mebbe yallre needin to be hangin round with and talkin to smarter peoples and takin the rest less seriously

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              9 years ago

              No, some of the people who claim that they're 'not part of the mainstream' are idiots who have somehow convinced themselves that they are not (cue statements about 'projection'). Members of the mainstream can be reasonable intelligent, I won't deny that.

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  • Anonymous Post Author
    9 years ago

    Stop thumbs-upping howiamnotmyself's, s/he's not even offering any coherent rebuttals.

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  • thegypsysailor
    9 years ago

    So you favor the sheep who do and think exactly as they are told, do you? No questioning of anything, just blind obedience. Wasn't that exactly how the Nazis did things? "I was just following orders, burning human beings alive in ovens by the millions."
    Yeah, of course you love those kinds of people because they don't 'think for themselves'. Yep, that's the way to make a better world!

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      9 years ago

      Nice strawman, but if you read it with a bit more nuance, you would notice that "think for themselves" is contained within quotation marks, thus referring to idiots who claim to be doing just that, but are instead merely ditching Occam's razor in favor of whatever ridiculous or paranoid idea tickles their fancy.

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      • thegypsysailor
        9 years ago

        Now I'm completely confused. Are you saying this post was sarcasm?

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          9 years ago

          Personally, even I don't know what the fuck is happening around here.

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          • thegypsysailor
            9 years ago

            "Something is happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear....."

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  • Fucwutyurgoingthru
    9 years ago

    I'm new to this site, first post in fact, and I was just wondering if this kind of comment is normal or if I just got really lucky finding a couple of self assured from the safety of their computers but probably dead silent and miserable when any real threat presents itself. In no way capable of surviving a hostile environment and only mad at each other and the world because you hate yourselves and only have infrequent and low quality sex. Sorry if I have a misspelling or I'm missing a comma. I'm gonna do a big ol shot of crystal now and take my chick to fuck at the beach, and thank god I had role models who would still be kicking the shit out of me if I had ended up like you two. The beach is swamis in Encinitas btw just in case you feel like coming down and knuckle up and cut safety scissors bullshit.

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  • webjock
    9 years ago

    I'm confused. Where exactly are you going with this? Are you one of those BIG-TIME Conspiracy Theory Buffs or something? Basically are you saying that if everyone actually thought alike (and probably looked alike, an impression I am getting from you), the World would be better off? So for example, you would rather have everyone else prefer to eat a fried cheese sandwich simply because YOU prefer to eat a fried cheese sandwich - as opposed to a peanut butter and jelly sandwich - am I right or wrong on this? In simpler terms, do you believe that the World would be better off it had ONLY YOUR personality - is that what you are really trying to say? Please clarify all of this for me - before you start going off into stuff about theoretical android duplicates and reanimated corpses again, please. Thanks! ( http://www.youtube.com/user/malestrom1000 )

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      9 years ago

      Nope, just talking about people who actually are conspiracy theorists, but when challenged on their beliefs, resort to plugging their ears and shouting 'think for yourself!!!'. I don't care what your position is, so long as you can back your beliefs up with actual evidence. Basically, if you're going to reason for yourself, I think it would be in your best interest to learn how to reason first, but don't whine that others are just 'sheep' whenever they don't buy your bullshit.

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  • WhiteStallion
    9 years ago

    I'm confused.

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  • lc1988
    9 years ago

    I've never considered the conspiracy theorists as free thinkers at all. I'm not sure what the word for it is.

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  • ArmusWasTheFirstTroll
    9 years ago

    Obvious troll is obvious . . . .

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      9 years ago

      I am being completely serious with the above, and would like that you contribute something with a bit more intellectual rigor, rather than make bizarre accusations against my character.

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      • ArmusWasTheFirstTroll
        9 years ago

        Troll

        informal
        make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them

        What you have essentially said is "I hate people who, for the whole history of our species, have improved human existence." Your evidence for such a profound claim was anecdotal and anecdotal evidence is not evidence. It's difficult to come up with a message more deliberately offensive or provocative than that.

        Given your post's stark resemblance to the above definition, your trollery is by definition obvious. Therefore, I disagree. "Obvious troll is obvious . . . " was all that needed saying. It perfectly summed up my feelings about your post. Lastly, no, intellectual rigor is not a phrase I would deem applicable to your post.

        I sincerely(not really) hope you respond with, "at least I was thinking for myself."

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          9 years ago

          Again, 'think for themselves' is in quotations FOR A FUCKING REASON, YOU DIPSHIT. Whenever you don't buy into some other idiot's conspiracy, his first tactic is to whine that you should 'think for yourself' (or better yet 'think outside (and by outside, I mean 'my') box'). 'Intellectual rigor' is not a phrase I would deem applicable to your mother drinking while she was pregnant with your stupid ass. Tell me, instead of picking up a book on evolutionary biology, why don't you just engage in a little 'individual thought' and advance the notion that we are made of ice-cream??

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          • ArmusWasTheFirstTroll
            9 years ago

            Trolling should just be able to flow. Like wiping your ass with silk. You try too hard.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              9 years ago

              I'm not even trying, I'm simply vitriolic that I have to explain things that should be simple and easy to grasp to a moron with an obvious intellectual disability.

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