Is it normal to feel uncomfortable in a group that doesn't feel too smart to you?

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I'm NOT saying I'm always the smartest person in a group in in the room. I'm Not, but I'm Not an idiot either and I have found myself in situations from time to time where ffs I'm surrounded by people who have no critical thinking skills and aren't too smart unfortunately and I find it frustrating listening to what is coming out of their mouths, especially when some of it could actually harm others if it came to fruition. Again this doesn't happen often. I'm No Einstein, but omg has this happened every so often and I find it painful. is it normal that if you happen to find yourself far smarter than others in a group that it's uncomfortable?

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  • SkullsNRoses
    2 years ago

    Can you give an example?

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      2 years ago

      I think many many people partied through college and there degree doesn't mean they're educated. I have a masters which I don't think always means educated either trust me. I hear plenty of people with masters degrees make many logically flawed statements that make no sense too who sometimes make a point and the opposite point in the same breath. That drives me nuts and it's annoying when I'm surrounded by people who do such things. Note: there are people who haven't gone to college but took it upon themselves to be educated who don't do this and Not all people with Bachelor's degrees and masters and beyond do this either but enough people do this and when they're all in a group and you're the only one who can recognize it annoying.

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      • SkullsNRoses
        2 years ago

        I’ve been in that situation, I actually know two people with masters equivalents in law who can’t coherently argue. Sometimes when I’m feeling mean I think to myself that they should ask for refunds.

        Those people are either too stupid to get wound up over or are deliberately making ridiculous propositions to try and bait you into arguing with them. The best thing to do is just rise above it.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      2 years ago

      I gave an example under cuntcicles post. Thanks for asking me to elaborate

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      • SkullsNRoses
        2 years ago

        It looks like it’s been deleted, or maybe it’s just not showing up on my end.

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  • 1WeirdGuy
    2 years ago

    I feel that way around really smart people as well

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  • Cuntsiclestick
    2 years ago

    I think I kind of get it. Over the years, I've been friends with different people who believed things like the earth is flat, all white people owe them money, all gays should be killed, the government should give them free money and houses so they don't have to work to earn it, black people are apes, rich people are required to share their paychecks and a few other crazy things. I'm not a smart person, but I really don't think any of those things are practical.

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    • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk
      2 years ago

      people who watch ufo/bigfoot/bermuda triangle shit on tv and take it seriously are always tedious to be around

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      • Cuntsiclestick
        2 years ago

        Most of these people that had all these opinions were college educated and acted like they were better than everyone just because they went to college. XD

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  • Anonymous Post Author
    2 years ago

    I think many many people partied through college and there degree doesn't mean they're educated. I have a masters which I don't think always means educated either trust me. I hear plenty of people with masters degrees make many logically flawed statements that make no sense too who sometimes make a point and the opposite point in the same breath. That drives me nuts and it's annoying when I'm surrounded by people who do such things. Note: there are people who haven't gone to college but took it upon themselves to be educated who don't do this and Not all people with Bachelor's degrees and masters and beyond do this either but enough people do this and when they're all in a group and you're the only one who can recognize it annoying.

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  • Tommythecaty
    2 years ago

    The correlation between conscientiousness and intelligence quotient is actually zero percent. Doing or saying something that’s careless and causes harm does not indicate that they are less intelligent than you at all.

    You’d know this if you were smarter.

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    • S0UNDS_WEIRD
      2 years ago

      Surely you meant that they would know this if they were further educated as opposed to smarter, as intelligence alone has no bearing on possessed knowledge.

      You would be wrong either way though; studies have repeatedly suggested a correlation between IQ and empathy, and in turn conscientiousness. It's loose but it's there. Obviously there are unthinkably caring mentally challenged people and psychopathic geniuses alike, but it seems that greater ability to reason in general fosters higher cognitive empathy which in turn informs emotional and compassionate empathy if present, whereas these forms aren't triggered if one lacks sufficient cognitive empathy to even understand the situation.

      This isn't surprising when studying serial killers. Contrary to their media portrayal, they're far more often HULK-SMASH-style brutes with mild retardation than cold, calculating geniuses. Perhaps, at least to an extent, this complicates their ability to truly grasp consequences of their actions while even a somewhat cold but non-psychopathic genius can't help running simulations in their mind and deciding their sexual urges don't warrant being the cause of such a cascade of suffering as the lives of even the families of their potential victims are ruined.

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      • Tommythecaty
        2 years ago

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TNQQIRKLPHs

        Peterson mentioning that exact thing because most don’t realise it. Again, the correlation between iq and conscientiousness being zero percent. I wasn’t bringing it up as though it was really a debatable thing.

        Empathy is two fold, cognitive and affective. Neither of which require much intelligence at all. Cognitive, recognising how someone feels, even serial killers have little trouble with this. Affective is weather you give a shit after recognising. There’s nothing intellect based in feeling something about it, as your ability to process the information is intact. It’s just disregarded, usually deliberately, after being processed.

        For instance, a sadist actually has more cognitive empathy than you do. They need it in order to better know how to hurt others. They can read and tell how one feels far better than you can, they just don’t give a shit about it. It’s not a lack of understanding, it’s a lack of caring that comes afterwards. This is done simply because it is pragmatic to not be upset by the feelings of others, not because they’re devoid of ability.

        The op should be able observe that perhaps the negative outcomes are often intentional on the persons behalf, rather than caused by any lack of awareness or intellect.

        As for serial killers...The majority of serial killers are neither brutes with mild retardation or cold, calculating geniuses. Those camps are both minority types. The majority actually test to be of average iq, mirroring the general population almost exactly. The “hulk smash” which is called a blitz is actually less common than their use of ruse statistically. Because, believe it or not, there are more serial killers that fall into the organised rather than disorganised typology.

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        • S0UNDS_WEIRD
          2 years ago

          On serial killers, I'll start by saying that I used to have a borderline disturbing fascination with studying them (even more so mass murderers) that went far beyond even the typical obsessions thereof and likely landed me on a government watchlist (seriously) because I'll be honest in that it looked a lot more like I was spending all day trying to learn from their mistakes more than anything else rather than being your typical Bundy-humper who probably couldn't name ten of them off the top of their head who is merely following hype and/or romanticizing them. It went so deep that even I'm a little bothered by why it happened and eventually dropped it.

          At any rate, it's fairly well-known that a study of 202 serial killers found a median IQ of 89. It's important to note that there are many ways of determining an overall picture of something. The mean, or average, is obviously a popular one but the mode and median are most appropriate fairly often as well. In this case the median works best because outliers skew the average; genius outliers are counted while mentally challenged would-be killers are too often caught before killing enough to reach serial killer designation and those high IQs pull it up quite a bit in the inverse fashion of a single zero shit-wrecking a student's average, and they add up.

          The median was 89. What that means is that they arranged the scores from lowest to highest and the middle area was an 89. Even the upward skewed mean was still below the outright average IQ (which is 100) but still in the lower portion of what's considered the _normal_ range. 89 is part of the group below average and above the group called "borderline", which is what the fictional character Forrest Gump was for reference.

          This means that over half of them had an IQ a standard deviation below the norm. And it's not as if on the other half it instantly skyrockets to your Harold Shipman types skewing the mean (and still not making it truly average); rather, it's still quite a ways to 100 for many even on the other side.

          It's abundantly clear that if we were playing serial killer Russian roulette, betting odds would be for being dealt a below average intelligence bullet. As far as outliers, if we classify them as borderlines and _true_ technical geniuses (140 plus), there's still way more borderlines as well and virtually all of the geniuses are medical killers and/or sometimes used bombs for financial and political reasons which actually deems them an entirely different animal by many researchers' criteria anyway.

          As for empathy, I won't pretend you can't do your own research. Simply pull up your search engine of choice and search for "empathy and IQ"; you'll quickly find more studies than I care to link suggesting that there definitely seems to be something going on albeit slight.

          (On a final note, when I said "Hulk smash" I was just talking shit about their intellect because fuck them, not referencing ambush killers or any particular methods.)

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