Is it normal this is disappointing about iin?

I think the premis of this site is great and it has a lot of potential to be awesome. It's easier to navigate compared with other sites and the questions people ask are sometimes weirdly funny, or informative, or heartbreaking. The drawback is the comments. Since when is it considered popular to be a dickhole to the person brave enough to ask their personal question, or commendable to ridicule somebody for making a candid comment to help the OP? It's like Lord Of The Flies on this site with all of the meanspirited attention whores competing for a laugh.

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  • squirrelgirl

    When I joined nearly 4 years ago, the site wasn't like this. There were a bunch of regulars but they were all really friendly and genuinely helpful to the people asking the questions. This used to be my go-to site to feel good. But over the past year or so the site has become really mean-spirited. It's definitely not as fun as it used to be.

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    • gummy_jr

      This place really has changed :(

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  • dom180

    I agree with you entirely. Mean-spirited people suck, and just because there are a lot of them doesn't mean their presence is inevitable or acceptable, or that people who see that they are mean-spirited are somehow at fault (seriously, why do we have so much of a problem with blaming bad people for doing bad things?). IIN is not a playground for mean people, and treating it as such saps it of its potential.

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    • Shrunk

      Right, I don't get why people have to say things like "it's just trolls, welcome to the Internet" etc. about the problem. It never used to be like this- the trolls were actually funny (and most of them still are). Trolls don't write lengthy replies as to all the ways the OP is a loser compared to them for asking an innocent question. That doesn't even happen on yahoo answers. I don't get why they are getting te most thumbs up along with all these random new people with really useless answers that sound like they're still in high school and having all their friends/followers to up vote them or something.

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    • wetpet

      Exactly. As a new user, a couple have already made ne feel entirely unwelcome, and of course, others hop up with the trails on the ne.t response.

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    • dom180

      I also want to add that I don't think the usage of the thumbs is as fucked as you think. Some of the highly-thumbed comments might not be completely PC or as compassionate as I think they ought to be, but I rarely think they are mean. Most of the genuinely mean comments get thumbed down, and most of the good comments get proportional recognition. That's how I see it.

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  • Avant-Garde

    I agree. The site didn't use to be like this a couple of years back. Now it is so negative.

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    • I read tons of offensive responses and trolling remarks when I browsed through a few couple years old posts here. It did not look much better or worse if you ask me.

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    • gummy_jr

      I feel a little bad for some of the comments I've made /:

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  • Shrunk

    Yeah I notice this too. It's not even trolls, as most of them are joking & there always was trolls, it is genuine assholes, the kind of people that walk all over nice people in real life and say it is their own fault for being nice. It was cool when this site had a more introverted userbase, but like I've said before its basically yahoo answers now, the only way to get "good karma" now is to be a troll or an asshole.

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    • disthing

      Come on, now. Yahoo Answers is awful..

      My favourite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll-lia-FEIY

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      • Shrunk

        classic lol. I always imagined they could make cartoons like that with some of the stories on this site...

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  • Petrichor.

    Huh? I think it's the uninteresting, vague, repetitive posts that are the drawbacks.

    From what I've observed, ten percent of the posts are a legitimate reach out for help, while five percent are intelligently funny and designed to make you laugh, another five percent goes to polls that are pretty interesting.

    Then thirty percent consists of trolls; sick incest posts, weird and disturbing sexual fantasies, strange events that are too weird to have even taken place, etc,. And about fifteen percent of questions aren't even for IIN.

    Then once you get past all that, the remaining thirty-five percent of questions are from people who just seem bored, trying to be funny, but fail because their sense of humor is a carbon copy of what Hollywood uses now, a few polls that aren't too creative (and aren't even asked in the poll format which deteriorates the whole post, in my opinion), posts about why you like or dislike IIN, ridiculous questions about relationships that just require you to use common sense (which seems to not be so common any more), group hate, like feminism and religion etc,. There's a few more but I can't really think of them off the top of my head. But I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say...

    With that in mind, I think most users don't feel like they need to be helpful, or that by making rude and insensitive jokes are OK: because this site is kind of dumb and boring, for the most part. Or that being hurtful is fine because "this isn't IRL, it's the internet". Which just goes to show how people become desensitized by the virtual realm [the internet]. And it also goes to show just how mean people are when they're hiding behind their monitors. It even happens here with the "Anonymous poll creator(s)", too. They say some pretty awful things, things I'm sure they wouldn't say if they weren't anonymous.

    However, I'm still not seeing all the mean users getting thumbs up while the "good" ones are thumbed down. I'm not seeing too many mean comments, but I don't come here too often as of right now.

    Care to provide examples?

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    • disthing

      Totally agree with you.

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  • Depends on what you consider helping someone. I know I can say some negative things however only when I have good reason to or to help the OP out, such as telling someone "You won't get the girl/guy move on to someone your level" rather than "Beauty. Eye. Beholder. Believe you are able to and you caan, Tinkerbell" which so many people do on here that is just as harmful if not worse as they set them up for failure.

    This site definitely used to have better people on it, and before you jump down my throat, I am not saying all the users are bad.

    I asked a few of the old regulars just before around the time they left for good and never to be seen, the ones that used to give good feedback and reasoned comments why they weren't taking part in IIN so much, and the reason why the older members left is because of the opposite of what you are claiming, really. The few I asked in casual discussion stated things along the lines of this site becoming too "feely" and more about making someone feel good that giving them the truth that would help them more...And I would agree with that happening here.

    Being assholes for the sake of being an asshole is one thing but being one of the "Believe in yourself and you can do anything" types of people on here...I'd say they're far worse...I shall name them Tinkerbells.

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    • It's not surprising that the 'regulars' you associated with would be offended by commenting thats too 'feely'. Birds of a feather.

      You may enjoy wallowing in conflict and have a few followers who do too, but that doesn't mean everyone else does or they should be called names for not supporting your views.

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      • Given that these regulars were among the ones that people enjoyed, not just myself, I think your point is mute.

        There is a difference between being mean, being rational, and being feely.

        Being mean is not helping the issue and just being negative.

        Being rational is considering the actuality of the issue.

        Being feely is giving a "happy comment" designed to make you feel happy reading it but doesn't solve the problem they have.

        Example:

        "I feel ugly and most people do not like me physically".

        Mean: Well you're going to end up alone because you're an ugly fuck.

        Feely: Don't feel bad, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

        Rational: You might be unattractive by most standards, and the beauty, eye, beholder speech is half true. Yes, that is the case however some standards of beauty are shared. Large groups may find one person's beauty as attractive and it typically the general view of what constitutes as the appearance of beauty, where as small groups that are not the general belief may view yours as beauty. So although this is the case, it doesn't mean there is an equal amount of people that would find you attractive or even half as much.
        What you should do is aim for someone more your level of appearance and try to connect with them on a romantic level, as trying to find people abve your level if you are a low level of attraction, is going to end up in failure the majority of the time.

        I mean, your response just shows the "feely" way the site is. You'd rather consider someone's feelings even if it gets in the way of giving reason to get them out of their situation rather than consider reason even if it gets in the way of making them feel happy for a short time.

        Life isn't one big slap on the ass and a "go get 'em, tiger" vote of confidence, because that happy feeling goes away when their attempts fail because they weren't given the right reasoning.

        This community operates on the "Make them feel good now even if it won't last" rather than the "Give it to them straight now so that they can one day gain the happiness they want".

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      • iEatZombies_

        Debating and sharing perspective isn't 'wallowing in conflict'. When I first came here, I had a debate with ItDuz. It was our first conversation. We enjoyed learning and understanding one another's perspective through argument. We became fast IIN friends through our disagreements. That's how a lot of regulars I knew were. We didn't thumbs each other down every time we disagreed and decide we were all enemies. Now yes, there has always been an abundance of trolls and assholes on here, since I came on, but there were a lot of people I had actual conversations with. They were quite helpful. A lot of people were thankful toward them and had gained perspective, but then everyone started spouting 'happiness is all that matters'. Happiness is definitely not all that matters- far from. That isn't pessimism or wallowing, it's truth. Compassion matters, and lying to people isn't compassionate. If it were, people wouldn't demand the truth.

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  • CountessDouche

    I don't think a sarcastic comment always constitutes ridicule. I'm incredibly sarcastic, but I do give legitimate advice when I feel it's warranted.

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    • Legitimate advice is appreciated and you occasionally give it. With the ego driven ridicule, or 'sarcasm' as you call it, you'll receive attention but is it the kind of attention you want?

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      • CountessDouche

        Occasionally? Really? I'm sorry, but I pretty much never make a post with the sole intent if mocking an OP. It seems that you and I have a differing opinion on what constitutes a constructive comment.

        I believe this is a forum for ADVICE, not patting people on the back for their destructive behavior. Some of the people that ask questions here are in serious fucking need of a reality check, and I do not think being overly kind about the issue is in any way constructive. In my opinion, being blunt is necessary.

        You may find this to be evil, harsh, "ego driven," and you have every right to believe that, but it is not my intent. I legitimately am not apologetic about the things I post here, so I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.

        As for the state of the site years ago, I myself have read some older posts, and I agree with ioncecame; I don't see much if a difference, but, if, as you say, it was all positivity and rainbows, then it must have been boring as fuck. In my opinion, quick wit and sarcasm are what makes this place fun.

        But what do I know, I'm just an evil bitch with no soul.

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    • RoseIsabella

      This is true, water and vinegar woman. Ironically, I drink a glass of water with a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in it every morning myself. Go figure.

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  • RoseIsabella

    If you can't deal with trolls then don't cross the bridge.

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    • I wasn't talking about trolls. That's the go-to answer of those who like to abuse people for an ego boost.

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  • Any website like this will attract trolling. If somebody gets upset over things people they've never met say, then they probably should stay off the internet because it is inevitable.

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    • I wasn't referring to trolls. I was talking about the trend towards meanspirited commenting by users. On similar sites it's not nearly this bad. It's not the entire internet that's like this, that's a misnomer.

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  • I hear a lot of people say this site was so much better in the past...but I have browsed a few post from years ago and saw very little if any differences in the kind of replies people got.

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    • I have done the same and see it differently than you. The same with similar sites. I think it has taken on a mob mentality on IIN.

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  • Give us an example of what you are talking about.

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  • disthing

    Nah - I think you're being naive if you expect a website populated by random people using pseudonyms not to have mean-spirited comments now and then. It's human behaviour, certainly on the internet.

    It's also naive to think every question asked is done so with courage or a legitimate pursuit of opinions and advice.

    In my experience, more often than not people contribute with good intentions to the best of their ability. At least for the first time a question is asked, and if the question is well-composed and genuine.

    Of course, when a person posts a question that's been asked 100 times before, like "IIN i fell in love with my friend", or "IIN i'm 18 and still a virgin", or "IIN i masturbate 3 times a week?" it starts to become pretty tedious.

    I think it's unfair to characterise the IIN user-base in such a negative light, because there are some intelligent and considerate users here who do their best and consistently offer insight and good advice. How long have you been around?

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    • disthing

      Oh and for a better idea of what the IIN user-base is like, just look at all the comments here!

      Can you honestly say this is "like Lord Of The Flies ... with all of the meanspirited attention whores competing for a laugh"? Where are all the spiteful, cruel comments getting the thumbs up on this question? Where are the 'dickholes'?

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  • seakelp

    "brave enough to ask their personal question"

    Typing words into a textbox behind several layers of anonymity isn't something I'd connect brave with.

    Given how a solid quarter of the submissions here are fetish fantasies about wanting to bang relatives, I'd say that a bit of snark in the comment section is to be expected. Ultimately, what is the point of this site? It's a place where people are given the opportunity to ask if something is considered 'normal' by the other users of this site. Essentially, the point is to distinguish between what is 'weird' (by the subjective democratic process here) and what isn't. As part of this process, individuals will inevitably disagree with the OP, and it seems like that is how the site itself is built.

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  • Bobblahblah

    If you want freedom of speech (hah That's a joke on here), you have to let the bastards have their say.

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  • poon_jabber

    I"m a dick hole i guess

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