Is it normal that i think this way?

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So recently as I have been browsing this site, I have noticed a lot of really strongly opinionated people who are using the N word and people who are calling people "libtards" and stuff. First off, I am not politically opinionated one way or the other. I am just making an observation.
Today was the Obama speech about gun control. I don't agree with everything that Obama does or says, but I have to say, I think he did the right thing. I think that when there are that many people out there getting killed, you got to do something. Even if it only saves a few lives. And it's not like he's banning guns or anything... I really think he did the right thing and took action. He was respectful of the other side and said he believed in the second amendment. I don't get why so many people seemed to dislike his speech. I read a discussion where people completely tore apart Obama and called him the N word and said how they had to drink to numb their pain about how awful of a speech they thought he gave.
Are these the types of people on IIN? Am I completely out of the loop on this site? It pains me to see that so many people really think the way that I have seen on some of these discussions. I respect you if you are republican or democrat... or whatever you are! But the amount of unreasonable hate that I see is disturbing.

I want to see... is it normal that I think this way? Do you guys think it's normal? I am curious to see how people vote this.

And as a side note... I challenge any of the people who decide to post such extreme stuff and the people who say such disrespectful things to come out from the keyboard and try and say those things without the protection of a screen. Make those arguments to a black family. Make those arguments to parents who have lost a child to gun violence. Don't type about it, do it. If you're so right, you should have no problem doing so.

And my prayers go out to anyone who has been affected by gun violence. I hope that one day we don't have to worry about such things nearly as much if at all. And prayers to everyone in general.

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Aaaaaaand he's back

8 years ago

Obama and libtards always have the same response to every problem: More Government.

Its not the answer. Especially with guns.

Around the world and in the US wherever you have the strictest gun ownership laws (like Chicago for example) you also have the highest gun crime rates. The problem is not guns, its mental health. Guns dont pull the trigger, people do. We have sick people who need help. And if they cant find a gun they will use knives or whatever else they can find. Should we ban kitchen knives ?

The other problem is who has the guns. Criminals will always have guns, no matter what the laws are. Thats why they're criminals, they dont follow the law. So any gun laws only serve to disarm the good regular citizens who do follow the law

As usual Obama has good intentions but he is horribly naive and mistaken. His proposed solutions are wrong and he has given up on the legislative process because he is unable to compromise. Nearly any type of gun law he proposes, no matter how innocent it seems, is really just a baby step towards trying to take away the peoples guns. The American people know this and have rightly rejected him

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- [Old Memory]
  
  8 years ago
  
  I'm pretty positive I know who posted this story and I personally fully agree with you but trying to level with this particular person on this particular subject is futile.
  
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    8 years ago
    
    I didnt post it for OP, I posted for other people.
    
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    - [Old Memory]
      
      8 years ago
      
      I got you sorry about that. :)
      
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        8 years ago
        
        No need to apologize
        
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- Cocomilktitties
  
  8 years ago
  
  See though, the issue is that when you bring these comparisons into the equation, they don't say a whole lot. Chicago is a high crime city no matter what. Just the area.. not as high standard of living. So, there really is no way to measure how effective a gun law is.
  There are always multiple external factors. There is really no way to create a perfect system to "test" these gun laws. Many numbers you find on the internet as well as in legitimate research and what not are biased or manipulated to support a certain point of view on either side.
  May I also point out that Obama addressed the need to work on mental health and other factors that contribute to gun crime in his speech.
  I am not going to try to argue with either of you guys on this. But there is something to think about.
  
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  - Aaaaaaand he's back
    
    8 years ago
    
    If its really so hard to figure out statistically what the problem is due to external factors, then that is all the more reason to not rush to do something about it using government.
    
    Obama always talks out of both sides of his mouth. He will say one thing and do another, or say two things and do neither. Make no mistake though, most Americans see right through his current rhetoric. If his ideas were really so common sense and practical, then you have to wonder why he can't just go through the legislative process. The guy is just a weak, ineffective leader, with naive and wrong ideas in his head, anything he does will be quickly overturned by the courts as soon as he is gone, which is coming very very soon
    
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    - Cocomilktitties
      
      8 years ago
      
      I live in an area where barely anyone I know owns a gun or has ever shot one. And that is how I think it should be.
      As far as Obama goes... give the guy a break. It's a tough job. No president is perfect. But if you were in that spot... and you had reports of all these shootings and families who have lost loved ones looking at you to do something... you'd have to probably do something huh? Can't just watch it happen. He's not perfect and not everything he does has been good, but he's not so messed up like so many people think.
      Anything takes pushing through legislation.
      
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      - Dragostea
        
        4 years ago
        
        "doing something" does not automatically equal lower crime. I'm not sure what laws specifically you are referring to. One of Obama's goals was to ban "assault weapons," which would do about nothing to curb gun violence.
        
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      - Aaaaaaand he's back
        
        8 years ago
        
        Nope, sorry, no sympathy for him. Its a tough job and he lied and cheated his way into office to get it. I give him no break whatsoever, not when ISIS is busy chopping off Americans heads. We need a real leader right now, not this clown we currently have
        
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green_boogers

8 years ago

Well folks, gun ownership will always be a hot-button issue. Liberals feels endangered by all the guns other people have, and conservatives feel protected by the guns they personally own.

Some countries are loaded with guns and have low gun crime. Switzerland is a good example (they have a civilian militia) and Canada (they are loaded with hunting rifles). If someone wants to be a thorough social scientist and pick through the data for these countries, they will find that the variables that predict gun crime are very subtle.

Until then, all these impassioned arguments based on hypothetical ideas are getting all of us nowhere. And, so I say to everybody "Fuck off."

Note: (I am an occasional marksmanship hobbyist that owns a small caliber sniper rifle.)

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VirgilManly

8 years ago

I voted for him in 2008 & 2012 but I think the whole "gun violence" problem is over-hyped when you actually look at the numbers and compare them to other threats facing Americans.

According to the CDC, more people in the US die every year from second hand smoke than from guns. So I find it hypocritical when our President, a smoker, talks about "saving even a few lives" while he himself contributes to the second hand smoke death toll by lighting up. The numbers he uses (30,000 gun deaths)is intentionally misleading. Consider that that number contains suicides, police shootings of criminals and citizens lawfully defending themselves. Plus consider (contrary to what the media would have you believe)the actual gun homicide rate in this country has been steadily decreasing over the past 2o+ years. It's down 49% since 1993. So much for the need for urgent action.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

More people die in automobile accidents. Recently a woman intentionally drove on a sidewalk in Las Vegas running over 38 people. Before that another person intentionally drove into a homecoming parade running over 28 people. How long did the media spend on those stories? Now consider how much time the media would spend on them had the women used guns instead of cars.

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Treklover11376

8 years ago

None of what you just said changes the fact. I didn't say anything about all of that. Simply put. He's a piece of trash. He doesn't love America and he isn't a American. Regardless of his citizenship. And if you actually think what he's done today is going to make 1 iota of a difference then you are as blind as a bat.

All this violence....crime...hate...its been around forever. The only thing that has really changed is the methodology by which these things happen. But more importantly, now, with social media, it is in everyone's face. Instantly and constantly. Colored by sentiment and personal bias, even the truth can be bent to someone's will and used wrongly.
It's happening every day and most people are blind to it.

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thegypsysailor

8 years ago

How does better background checks interfere with The Second Amendment?
I also think any crime committed with a firearm should have a mandatory minimum sentence of at least double what the same crime would be w/o a firearm.

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- Dragostea
  
  4 years ago
  
  I don't think anyone, even the staunchest pro-gun people, are against better background checks. Problem is, when people say "better" background checks, they sometimes really mean "make it harder to get a gun because I don't like them"--A.K.A., stronger checks but still not really enforcing the ones we currently have, which if properly enforced, likely would've prevented Parkland.
  
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[Old Memory]

8 years ago

I know who you are and you haven't been here long enough to learn everyone's dynamic and how we interact with eachother. Especially between me and little girl saying we are going to have a drink. You don't have to agree with me but you would have gotten a completely different response from me if you had approached me in a respectful nonsassy way. I would have given you that same respect back. Now in this post you are being all sweet and non confrontational. You weren't that way on my story. I say we can agree to disagree. I'm a gun loving female who will stick up and defend my rights for such things. I will also voice my opinion on such matters as gun laws that don't fix or alleviate the violence. The laws proposed won't fix anything and the fact that the president wants to go back to using that pen of his doesn't get him much love from me. We can start over I'm sure there are other things I we would get along and agree on. You just know ahead time how I feel about guns and I know that you don't agree with me.

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- Cocomilktitties
  
  8 years ago
  
  I can agree to disagree with you..but you know some of the talk on that topic really bothered me and I felt like I had to say something. I was not raised to think that kind of talk is okay, which is why I made this post. It irritated me that a comment with the N word got like 15 up votes.
  I am sorry if I came off as sassy, but your response to the president's speech was also pretty sassy to be fair :P
  I don't think that I personally attacked you at all really... I am sorry though if something that I said upset you. I don't think you're a dumb person or anything... I'm sure you're plenty smart.
  
  No hate towards you. Also.. I'm a guy just saying lol. Just so ya know...
  
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    8 years ago
    
    Sorry I didn't realize you were a guy.
    
    Your name and the way you speak seemed feminine to me. My apologies.
    
    Yes I was sassy but that comment wasn't to you. So for you to respond to it in the manner that you did called for my reaction. You didn't offend me in anyway or hurt my feelings so don't worry about that.
    
    I don't necessarily agree with the word myself but there are people that act in a manner that represents that word.
    
    Your surroundings and upbringing are a lot of the reason you feel the way you do about guns and all that. That is okay. I am from the south. Where we learn about guns and gun safety at a young age. You also learn to shoot and defend yourself.
    
    The issue with the president is he has already implemented strict gun control that is not really being enforced. For that matter it doesn't stop gun violence either. There is data and statistics that back up the fact that in the states and cities with the strictest gun control laws there is more gun violence. You can't argue against that, it's fact.
    
    The problem isn't the guns or the law abiding gun owners. The criminals already have the guns. There is gun violence because of drugs, robberies, what have you. Of course murder too but if someone wants to kill someone they will do it whether they have a gun or not.
    
    It seems to me that there has been more mass shootings, rioting, and protest under this president than in previous years. So obviously his laws and gun laws aren't working. He has divided this nation and caused more resentment between groups of people then ever before.
    
    It will and has gotten to a point that people are fed up. We want back what is ours. The government is getting to big and invasive. I hope that my fellow Americans will stand up and fight.
    
    Everything this president is doing is one small step closer to disarming the populous. I won't go out without a fight. The government this president does not have my best interest at heart.
    
    I brought up the boy from where I live because it is a valid point. Yes he is a hero and what he did at such a young age is beyond words. But for the president to use that to pull at peoples heart strings is disgusting. The whole reason that shooting happened was due to gang violence. Not some random person going around shooting people. Then for him to say "Btw the way it happens in Chicago on the streets all the time" is beyond hypocritical. Basically saying the laws I have implemented don't work. That is just facts. He implanted himself without saying it said my laws don't work.
    
    I'm not a hateful person. I love everyone. I respect people's opinions and feelings on matters. But I will only return the same respect I am given. This president has done nothing to earn my respect. He has made us a laughing joke in the world. Things need to change. The libs have to be taken down.
    
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      8 years ago
      
      See now, I think that the president acknowledged that the gun laws aren't as effective as they need to be, and that is why he says they need to hire more people to do background checks and work on mental health.
      
      Here is the only thing that I want people who feel so strongly against gun laws to think about... think about Obama.. wait no... ANY president sitting in their office watching the news... "Another shooting... school shooting... etc..." one after the other. Should he sit there and say to himself... "Oh that's really sad... but that criminal would have gotten that gun no matter what... so we may as not even try to make it harder for them to get that fire arm. We may as well just let them have that fire arm legally without background checks because they would have gotten it anyways. Oh my gun laws haven't worked as well as I had hoped, I better just give up on them and not try to improve them." ?
      
      I don't want to be in an armed society. I don't want to be in a world where every one has to carry a gun because you never know who might have one. An armed society is not the solution. Not in 2015... not with this many people... and this many angry people and psychos.
      
      To be honest... I don't even think that many of those people who have been doing these shootings got those guns illegally I mean I could be wrong, but I bet at least quite a few had them without any legal struggle. Maybe Obama's gun laws are flawed, but then they need to be fixed and made better.
      
      I respect the way you have grown up... I have grown up in a "blue" state... so my opinions will probably differ. I haven't ever shot a gun... but if YOU as a sane human being would like to own a fire arm because you feel it protects you, then I say okay! And by the way, so does Obama.
      But if some dude over there has got a couple things on his record or maybe has a history of mental health issues, I don't want him walking into a gun show and getting himself a shotgun with no effort to stop it. Some will slip through the cracks... but it's the effort to stop is what matters. The part where we say "This is not okay and we're going to try and do something about it" That is my basically my stance.
      
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7114garrett

8 years ago

I think this meme can sum up the whole situation for you... https://www.pinterest.com/pin/386324474265617909/

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Treklover11376

8 years ago

You do know Obama is a horrible president don't you? And as for the type of person he is? No matter his skin color he's a waste of oxygen. He doesn't want the best for us or this country and he never did.

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- Cocomilktitties
  
  8 years ago
  
  I ask anyone who gives the "Obama is like the worst thing to happen to America" argument... where is this awful leader? Where is this government take over? Who exactly is receiving the fruits of this evil conquest of the citizens? I don't see it. I see an America that still needs a lot of work, but an America that is probably better off in a lot of ways that it was quite a few years ago.
  Presidents honestly don't even have as much power as most people think.
  I think the same about Bush. I don't think that he was the worst president ever although I didn't agree with everything he did or said... but I respect that he was doing his job.
  
  I think Obama did the right thing by addressing this issue. Safety is always an issue. And if people keep getting shot out there, you gotta do something! Like he is paid to do that.
  
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