Is it normal that i think patriarchy is the natural social order?

There just can't be a coincidence that almost all civilizations throughout the world, throughout history, have always been patriarchal. Why? I've been thinking about this subject for a long time, and I have come to the conclusion that the only answer to this question is that patriarchy simply has to be the natural order of things. Here's my theory: The male gender simply has a physical strength advantage, everyone knows that. This leads to men always inevitably becoming the leaders in any society through the use of violence. And the women, due to their lack of physical strength, always, unfortunately, end-up in a supportive role instead. However, physical strength doesn't matter as much in modern society, so they can now compete on a more fair term than they could historically. Do you have any thoughts on this subject matter?

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  • JellyBeanBandit

    Yeah that makes sense. You should first make it crystal clear though that it's a misconception that the term 'natural' should always be associated with 'good' or 'right'. And point out that there's many bad things that are natural, like rape and murder, that we now know are wrong. And so there's nothing sexist in saying that the stronger sex will naturally become the dominant ruling sex in any society that isn't enlightened enough to realise that the sexes are equal in terms of intelligence, or any society that isn't just enough to have equal rights.

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    • Exactly. I'm not saying that this is any good, despite being natural, because it obviously isn't. In a perfect world, physical differences between the genders wouldn't be a thing, but our world isn't perfect.

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      • LloydAsher

        Ever heard of geography determines destiny? It's a concept of a region holding more or less value over other regions.

        If you restarted human history and came back to Earth 2.0 in their version of 2021 you will see basically the same world powers in their respective regions.

        The native americans were never going to be able to beat the old world. Why? There was no native animals that could be domesticated to pull a plow. Without relying on animal power they could only rely on human power (slavery being the most efficent use with lack of technology) thus technolgy would be stunted vs the old world that had centuries of living with animals giving them a boon of a greater immunity as well as the freeing up of people to do other things like invent better math and invent simple machines to make things easier (wheels and pulleys). The Aztecs were advanced (didnt have wheels nor pulleys 100% raw human power) but they were never going to achieve even the bronze age (if that was even possible given the ore depth) by the time the old world came knocking. For the simple fact that europeans who had an exorbitantly large tolerance to disease vs the incredibly weak tolerance the natives had. Given the tech difference victory was assured. Life isn't fair for countries neither.

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  • LloydAsher

    Hell I treat my traditional as heck girlfriend well because they are fucking hard to find at my age. I respect the hell out of housewives.

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  • alt-

    It is interesting to think about, imagine if emotional intelligence or other typically feminine traits had been chosen by society as superior? would society end up more primitive, or is that only how we see it through the current lens? would women have eventually become logical if they were in the same place as men, or is logic innate to men? feminism would have never existed, and with the stereotype of women being motherly, I wonder if they would take good enough care of the males for them to be happy or if the males would eventually form their own version of feminism?

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    • Yeah it's interesting to think about. However, those traits were never chosen as superior because they're not as obvious to the untrained eye as physical strength is.

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  • Meowypowers

    Previous to judeo christian and (gasp) muslim cultures the west was mostly an egalitarian society.

    Greeks and Romans had as many goddesses as they did gods. Before that women were valued highly, just look at early art that values the female figure.

    It made biological sense to protect a woman and let men compete amongst eachother and with nature to find the fittest.

    As civilization progressed and war became less common, women gained the possibility to chose superior men, not just war survivors.

    Men insisted on controlling women with ideas like "original sin" to try and keep us a "less thans".

    In the 20th century women were afforded tampons and birth control pills and our abilities weren't a liability.

    The female mind is now proving to be the brain of choice for bringing humanity into future success as simple men continually make mistakes because they are emotionally driven by hormones.

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    • Grunewald

      Be careful of modern Classics scholarship. Every researcher interprets what they see with a view. It's fashionable in the academe to bash both Judeo-Christianity and 'The Patriarchy' at the moment, so...

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  • 1WeirdGuy

    I think this to an extent. I think with men there's a genetic component to wanting to protect women in their pack whether its sister, wife, mother, daughter. Women also naturally like to raise their own children and are naturally more nurturing than men, and the fact that they create food for the baby with their breasts makes staying with the child more sense than the man doing it while the female works, and since the female is already home raising the kids it makes sense for her to cook and clean because the man is not there. I think its ok if women want to work and not have kids also not against that at all its a good thing. But I think its also empowering for a woman to have kids and raise her children at home. I dont see this as degrading at all as some feminists see it.

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  • LloydAsher

    Hey if she proves herself to be just a good as a leader then I would support it. Tulsi Gabard would have been my perfererd democratic candidate.

    I think naturally yes males have a greater standing and aptitude for leading as it has been present for pretty much all of human history. Strong leaders are always better than weak leaders and that has boiled down to the patriarchal systems that have been constant throughout most cultures.

    I dislike change for the express purpose of change. That's inherently dangerous to do just on a whim. There has to actual reasons for why we change A to B.

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  • russellnb

    Men exhibit Macho Psychotic behavior and intimidate the naturally mentally and emotionally superior Women. If we hand over the power to the more capable females all of life would improve and there might be some hope for the world.

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    • LloydAsher

      Change for the sake of change will doom you and all you know.

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      • russellnb

        Change for the sake of getting better.

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  • trekngailis

    Nature made womens for baby production, not power and money

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    • GuvnorsOtherWoman

      Not this woman, Trekngailis. Stuff motherhood!

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