Is it normal that i think covid has ruined the world?
I feel like I took the pre-pandemic days for granted.
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1WeirdGuy
I dont understand why if the death rate is 0.2% we must shut down the world and not just protect those at risk. Young people often say "1 person is too many and if you want to stay open you dont care about human lives." But you can also use that same logic to say people shouldnt drive automobiles. If everyone quit driving tomorrow automobile deaths would go to 0. But we see the greater good in this risky behavior so we still do it. I dont see why we dont use the same logic for covid. We protect those at risk, explain the risks to people who choose to work and if they want to stay home and not work thats their decision.
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my_life_my_way
Only because we let it, if we’d just ignored it and got on as usual, this would be well done by now
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Boojum
The really, really stupid thing about this shit-storm is that absolutely everyone who knew anything about epidemiology knew that fast, mass global travel meant something like this was definitely going to happen sooner or later. But in their usual short-sighted way, politicians all over the world chose to ignore their warnings because it wasn't an immediate problem.
The pandemic has pretty thoroughly fucked up a huge number of peoples' lives and done a number on the head of almost everyone in one way or another.
I suppose the only positive thing about Covid is that it isn't as deadly as the Spanish flu, Ebola or many other diseases. But then again, maybe if the symptoms were as dramatic as Ebola, the mortality rate was 50% and death followed infection as quickly as in the Black Death, perhaps virtually everyone would have taken it very seriously right from the start, and aggressive public health measures that all but the totally idiotic complied with could have stopped the spread very quickly.
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dude_Jones
Good points, but Covid has that 2 week latency period before symptoms hit. This makes it almost impossible to stop the spread. (Two weeks of wearing 75% hospital masks is still seven times more exposure than two day flu latency wearing masks for that). I think the real lesson is that when the hospitals fill up, the cemeteries fill up even faster. Most first world countries held the death rate slightly below 2% of infected patients. Italy, Spain, Brazil, the U.K. and a few others didn't quite make it.
But an mRNA vaccine in twelve months was an extremely unexpected accomplishment. I thank the biomedical frontline workers for their 16 hour a day vigilance and hard work.
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Boojum
I really feel for those working in healthcare.
I read an article where an American doctor (who ISTR worked in a hospital in one of the deep-south states) said that he's regularly asked by people already in Intensive Care with Covid if they can have the vaccine now. I guess you have to get used to the ignorance and sheer idiocy of people if you're a doctor, but stuff like that must get so damn demoralising.
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dude_Jones
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LloydAsher
Like every apocalypse it wasnt the disaster it was the people who made it worse.
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RoseIsabella
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Meatballsandwich
The 2020s is so crap that the 2010s now seems like a pleasant, good time suddenly.
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RoseIsabella
I think we all took the pre-pandemic days for granted. I'm pretty sure at this point that the Covid 19 virus has been worse than the Spanish Flu.
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Anonymous Post Author
No not even close. The Spanish flu killed 50 million people, Corona has killed 4.2 million.
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olderdude-xx
Covid-19 has likely killed double your number. The problem is that many deaths that are virtually surely Covid-19 related never got reported as Covid-19 (or are intentionally not reported as Covid-19). Even the USA has this problem (although we are better at this now than when Covid-19 started).
Almost all countries have a normal death rate per year with minor fluctuations year to year.
If you look at the total number of deaths you see a substantial increase since Covid-19 started spreading.
In no country has the reported Covid-19 deaths matched (or even nearly matched) the number of "excess deaths" above the normal death rate.
There are no other explanations for these "excess deaths" other than unreported Covid-19 deaths in almost all counties.
However your point about the Spanish Flue (or the 1918 flu) is correct; It not only killed many more people; but the world population was about 1/4 than compared to now - and the death rate was very much higher than for Covid-19.
At the same time Covid-19 is different from the flu. If you survived the 1918 flu you went back to a normal life.
Currently about 15% of everyone who has had Covid-19 has long term health issues that prevents them from fully returning to their previous life. In my personal case - these long term health effect prevents me from returning to my business that generated the largest positive cash flow for me to live on (i.e. I cannot work like I used to - and am trying to figure out how to earn a decent income again and have had extremely limited income in the last 16 months. I am still paying my bills every month from other resources that I had not intended to use).
The economic impact of the long term Covid-19 health effect are going to likely be about what it is for the loss of life from Covid-19.
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RoseIsabella
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RoseIsabella
I hope that society is more empathetic about depression, anxiety and mental health in general when this pandemic is over, but there's no guarantee people won't eventually forget about it.
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hauntedbysandwiches
I think in some ways it's temporarily ruined but in some ways it brought many people and communities closer
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