Iin, that i consider people who commit suicide to be badasses?

It's a common trope to call people who commit suicide to be "cowards".
But think about it. Nobody living knows what it's like to be dead. NOBODY really knows what happens next. Maybe the Christians and Muslims are right, and suicides are tortured forever. Maybe it HURTS to be dead (as is touched on in the 1984 movie "Return of the Living Dead".) Maybe you can feel the corrosive formaldehyde embalming fluid burning into your arteries (like in 1972's "Tales from The Crypt") or you can feel yourself being cremated... or you become an eternally emotionally tormented ghost... who knows?
Pain is a reaction to injury. So does it not make sense, that dying is the ULTIMATE painful experience, as it is the ultimate injury?
I'd say suicidal people are courageous, bad-ass warriors. After all, they're willingly plunging into the unknown (and is that not what every legendary hero has done, from Gilgamesh to Luke Skywalker?)
My cousin shot himself 8 years ago this month, and I still feel that he was anything but a coward, or "weak", or what have you. (For what it's worth, he was known as the toughest kid in his high school, and in his whole life he never backed down from a fight!)
Show me a suicide, and I'll show you a badass. Barring religious platitudery, how am I wrong on this?

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Comments ( 27 )
  • Anime7

    I will admit putting a gun to your face and pulling the trigger takes guts. Ever heard of the poet Sylvia Plath? I'm not going to lie she offed herself in a pretty metal way; she stuck her head an oven until the heat pretty much cooked her face. That sounds pretty brutal.

    However, I don't think we should worship these people though. I mean they probably had a lot of bad stuff happen to them in order for them to be pushed to such extremes. Don't worship these people; just do the best you can to help a friend whenever you see him/her in need.

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  • KatieLiz

    It takes guts, but it's not being a badass. On being in a place so low you couldn't even imagine, and it's not ok for you to downplay their suffering like this.

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  • thegypsysailor

    I think all people who commit suicide are dead, no more; no less.

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  • AbnormallyAwesome

    I know you shouldn't say bad things about dead people (for some reason), but I'd go as far as to call some suicidal people assholes.
    Meaning the ones who don't give a shit about what happens to anyone who loved them, or finds them, or runs them over in a train.
    But I suppose if you suffer from a depression you can't think straight, so it's hard to judge them.

    And of course saing all this makes me an asshole aswell.

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  • m3g@m@n

    People who commit suicide are not "badasses"; they're not "cowards" either. I just pity them a lot, because they hope to find something that death will never be able to give them: peace of mind.

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  • Karmasbitch

    In Ancient Rome suicide was an honourable way to die. I still believe it's a good way to die. I have attempted it, although I was scared of death, suffering sucks too. Sometimes suicide feels like the only way to end suffering. Although I'm looking at other ways to end suffering. Lol

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  • Avant-Garde

    That's because they are. I've never understood people who've considered suicide to be a cowards move. it takes a lot of guts to go through with a plan. It takes a lot of guts to be brave enough to step into the unknown. I could go on and on with this. Clearly, committing suicide in this day and age does not get the amount of respect it deserves. I think this might also have to do with culture. Because it dude uk Japan, it was acceptable for Samurais and others to commit Shibari. It was an hot notable way to die.

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  • Actually you have to kill a whole bunch of other people first for it to be "badass"......

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    • I_Hate_Cats

      Leonard Lake=badass.

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      • Leonard Lake maybe went a bit too far. Just a tad.

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        • I_Hate_Cats

          It's easy to say that from our position and that has ocurred to me as well but it's still a very badass story. Cyanide...police station...serial killer...it's legendary. I was impressed.

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          • Oh.

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            • I_Hate_Cats

              'Oh. And that's all I could say was "oh".'

              1,000,000 internet dollars could be yours if you know what song that's from.

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  • PureLikeSnow

    For me it's unfathomable how a person can override their instinct of survival by dying self-willingly. They say bravery and stupidity are often two peas in the same pod, and in my opinion suicide is not contrasted from this philosophical belief. Everyone should have a good sense of morality that is able to tell them suicide is not the answer.

    Loved ones will not call someone 'badass' for such a tragedy. They may say, "He/she was a great *insert text here* and they will be missed". Call me strange, but I believe anyone that commits suicide loses all honor. Surely you can attribute the word 'brave' to their name, but then it becomes contradicting because you also have to add 'coward'. Suicide takes guts, but straying away from your problems is the act of a dumbass.

    I don't think there's a valid reason as to why anyone should litigate religion and suicide. They're not compatible subjects and they're not relevant to each other in this issue.

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  • thr

    I think it's a fun argument. I don't mean any offence, but I don't believe in an afterlife. If I did I may have found it a more interesting argument, as opposed to fun.

    I do dislike it, when people see suicide as a coward's way, as if living on is some indisputable achievement. To me living on is not some objectively good thing.
    I can also suspect it of being a case of overlooking the fact that people are going to die anyway.

    If one's life is very bad with no hope of bettering, then it can be a sensible choice.

    Better than call someone a coward for killing themselves is to acknowledge how there was something that made them choose not to live.

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  • dybex

    I've often wondered about people who go through life devoid of sympathy or empathy. Where, in their fucked up little heads, they think that calling a dead person a coward makes them seem somehow more tough and heroic. Or on the opposite side: think that people who die by their own hand are cool.

    Do they really mean it when they say that?

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    • thegypsysailor

      After some years of living life one can become a bit callous to privileged people, especially Americans, born in a sanitary hospital, raised in a clean (hell a dwelling period) home, with enough food, clean water, clean clothes (hell, any clothes), with money for a computer, a free education available, etc.
      I don't think I go through life devoid of sympathy or empathy, I just don't have enough left over after seeing children burned to crispy critters by napalm, starving in the streets or their tiny little bodies stacked like cord wood in a cart. Or the bodies of a whole village after being massacred because the dead chose to worship THEIR god differently. Need I go on?
      I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

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  • Knoting1992

    I wouldn't consider someone a Badass but I wouldn't judge them either

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  • CaptainCleverClogs

    I am a christian and I think that the idea if suicide victims being tortured is absurd. Jesus never said that. Why would a loving god inflict pain on someone who had such a bad life they killed themselves?

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  • At times I imagine somber surroundings and hanging myself in my closet. No one would be able to feed my ferrets. They would starve to death while smelling my corpse rot away about 20 feet away.

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    • CaptainCleverClogs

      You could let them out of the cage first. They would probably have enough food for weeks...

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      • **creepy music plays**slowly pan to my ferrets ripping flesh away from my legs and hungrily chewing**

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        • m3g@m@n

          hahahaha, now that's crazy!

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  • realrealist

    Many other cultures embrace suicide as a respected part of life. I personally think it takes guts but it is very selfish at the same time if you have family/friends.

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  • Theadage

    I don't consider those who have felt the need to commit suicide to be "weak," but I am saddened that they felt so hopeless that they had to end their life.

    :(

    It's not fair for everyone involved.

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