Is it normal for "gypsy" discrimination to be acceptable?

Even though there is still so much discrimination for all minorities nowadays, I would say that more or less, people understand it is not really acceptable anymore. However, Roma people (gypsies) just seem to be the exception to the rule.

What disturbs me the most is that in America they are not that hated, even though there are many people that are backward and racist. However, in Europe, it just seems to me that it is absolutely normal to openly hate gypsies and make comments that people used to say 70 years ago about people of color in the States (that they don't want to work, that they are genetically predisposed to criminal behavior, etc.). It kind of feel to me that these people have not learned anything from the Holocaust.

Honestly, I just feel really sad about this situation and want to understand why this type of things are still acceptable in any modern Western society. I know that many people had bad experiences with this group, but I don't think hating them makes things better for anyone.

So, what are your thoughts on this topic?

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  • Crusades_

    Have you ever lived surrounded by gipsies? If you did you would understand.

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    • Shiroyasha

      Have you ever befriended a gypsy? Do you know how much discrimination they have to endure?

      One of my friends is, and pretty much he is just used to people being intolerant. More or less, he has to prove that he is not a criminal to everyone. He is usually checked everywhere he goes and sometimes the police just casually follows him. I do not believe that is an attitude we should be having in the XXI century.

      They were persecuted and almost exterminated for centuries. Just these last years the European governments are making more efforts to give them better opportunities. I think we should analyse history before we judge them for what they do.

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  • electricblueoceans

    It's never acceptable to discriminate people just because they don't live like you. People should at least be judged fairly.

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  • RoseIsabella

    A gypsy pickpocket stole my wallet out of my purse from the Rainforest Cafe in Sunrise, Florida.

    I don't discriminate, I hate all thieves regardless of race color or creed. I hope someone catches that guy and smashes every bone in his hand. I miss living in Texas where it's legal to defend your property with deadly force.

    My dad worked with a guy who caught someone trying to steal his lawnmower he poured gasoline on the would be thief and held him at bay with a cigarette lighter til the cops came. In Texas you can shoot someone for breaking into your house as long as you don't shoot em in the back.

    Seriously, I really do hate people who steal and I don't give a shit about a criminal who is harmed in some way during the commission of a crime.

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  • (s)aint

    I don't blame the single person for this fucked up situation but gypsies from Romania have totally invaded Sweden and there is more and more beggars around the corners -_-´

    In some countries homeless and begging people might be a normal thing, but not around here- At least it wasn't until we were surrounded by "plzzz madama plzzz"

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  • disthing

    I wouldn't say the discrimination is specific to gypsies (although I know in some countries there's a racist element directed towards Romani people) but more broadly any 'traveller' community. That includes traditional Irish travellers, and other nomadic groups.

    What often happens, is a group of travellers move into an area, and the inhabitants of that area aren't too happy about suddenly having all these new neighbours. Sometimes, because of the lifestyles of these communities, there is a culture clash, theft, damage to property, general anti-social behaviour and so on.

    Travellers live in a sort of mobile Wild West, except that they bring that Wild West into established towns and cities where there are different laws and manners of behaviour which often conflict.

    That's where the anger comes from - so often the discrimination begins with legitimate grounds, which is why it's tolerated. The bad reputation of some troublesome travellers is used to tarnish all traveller communities, and to justify some pretty nasty behaviour against them, unfortunately.

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    • I don't think there is something as "legitimate grounds" for discrimination. But I do agree that most people judge the whole community for what a minority does.

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      • disthing

        Perhaps I need to rephrase that.

        What I mean is it's understandable that people have a negative opinion of travellers due to negative experiences with travellers. Those negative experiences are real, and are what underpin a lot of the prejudice.

        It's just not fair to tar everyone with the same brush.

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  • missy911

    I chose to say that it is normal. Here is my reasoning. Here in the USA, I have worked with more than one legal immigrant from south of our border, who has expressed their opinion; that while they like the benefits of a good paying job, reliable electricity, safe drinking water, not having to bribe lowly officials, etc. They nonetheless, do not want their birth county to become LIKE the USA. They feel the laws are to complicated.

    I have not by any measure misunderstood either of these people. They simply want to pick and choose which laws apply to them, all while enjoying the benefits of an ordered society that they have no will to emulate. Scurrilous as the word may be, the word that best describes this thinking and behavior is Parasitism.

    It may well be, they base their views on a lack of experience or ignorance, but there are in fact peoples who choose to generationally behave this way and preach it to their children. Such people may gravitate to the Roma community and if they are welcome there, then it is normal for those who have manifested a prosperous & orderly society, upon which the lawless pray; to hold the lawless, ergo Roma, in disdain.

    Not all forms of parasitic behavior are bad. Consider the millions of invasive bacteria, living on and in our bodies and are beneficial to our health, symbiosis.

    What symbiotic relationship exists between a Roma encampment and the host community?

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  • INAC

    Hahahaha - Gypsies, and their magic.

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  • You must not know gypsies that much. My family were friends with many gypsies, and if you're "in" with them they're hilarious and fun but if you're just another person to them, then they aren't the most pleasant of people. Hell, every year people in my area have to do all nighters for a week because gypsies come at certain times and steal horses.

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  • reminiscent

    I personally dont hate them and haven't seen any hate but im here in america.

    I did however about a month ago see a documentary where in Europe they pushed a bunch of gypsies out of their homes. Now the thing is they did build illegal housing where it shouldn't be even if they own the land if they had followed the law this wouldnt have happened to them. One of their neighbors hatted them...a lot! Now from his point of view I understand the gypsy houses didnt look nice.... however apparently it was a place for trash before the gypsies bought it! And I dont see how little gypsy houses could be worse then trash????

    Overall I was on the side of the gypsies as I wasnt sure why houses couldn't be there and I think it was inhuman To make children and elderly leave their homes. :(

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  • Avant-Garde

    I don't understand why people hate them so much. They've never done anything bad towards me or anyone else that I know. Yet, the their dislike seems to persist.

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    • slings_and_arrows

      In the UK there is a programme called 'My big fat gypsy wedding,' and from that very intriguing and entertaining (imo) programme I have learnt this about gypsies in Britain:

      the culture is patriarchal and women are not allowed to work or carry on with education (though the men don't continue with higher education either), women get married young and you're basically a spinster if you're 25 and unmarried, huge importance is placed on girls remaining virgins until marriage - I don't think male virginity is talked about or cared about, women expect to be beaten by their husband at some point or even throughout their marriage- it's normal for them, 'grabbing' is another one of their practises whereby a man snatches a girl, drags her and forces a kiss and then let's her go - another thing girls accept and expect. The married woman's life is cooking, cleaning, sexing, undergoing beatings etc. and she no longer has the freedom to meet her family or friends alone I don't think. She is basically her husband's property. They are known for being a law unto themselves (stealing etc. is part of their culture) but the programme showed them in a good light, sort of.

      Cultures where women are not emancipated and are still under the strong hold of male patriarchy are backwards cultures, and countries like this are behind the rest of the world in every way: morally, economically etc.

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