I think ivf is wrong. iin?

I believe that if you are single, gay/lesbian, or infertile, you shouldn't have biological kids. If Nature has it in for you to not reproduce, then you should just accept it. It's not a matter of being against the single, homosexual, or infertile. Stop being juvenile and grow the hell up. YOU CAN'T GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT and sometimes, LIFE AIN'T FAIR. Get used to it. You people should get therapy for your inability to reproduce; not encouraged to go against what only the physically capable can do by doing surrogacy, IVF, ICI, or IUI. YOU.ARE.NOT.GODS.OF.REPRODUCTION. So stop pretending to be THEM. I'd love to see those things banned completely because not only are you going against nature, but you're also wasting money and resources only putting yourself up for (most likely) disappointment further damaging your mental health. As far as I'm concerned, infertility is NOT a true "disease" but rather nature's way of managing the human population. By the way, did you know that IVF babies are much more likely to be sick than their naturally-conceived counterparts? Never thought of that, did you, selfish breeders?

Also, if you want kids SOOOOOO BAD, ADOPT (and if newborn or international adoption is too expensive, adopt older kids domestically!) No one ever died because they couldn't breed and no one actually 'needs' a baby.

You people just wanting biological babies DON'T WANT TO BE ACTUAL PARENTS. YOU JUST WANT MINI-MES! Well, maybe you don't deserve kids at all if you're going to be like that. You breeder want-a-bes MAKE ME SICK. I'm single and you'll never see ME force an infant into this world. Why? BECAUSE I'M MATURE ABOUT IT AND KNOW BETTER.

And no, I ain't trolling one bit. So don't even waste your time assuming it.

Creating a person that should have never existed...

The same could be said for a child resulting from an unwanted pregnancy which was the result of a random sexual encounter at a party - a pregnancy which should have never happened.

Or a child conceived by rape - the woman should have never been raped in the first place to result in said pregnancy.

Or a man who has had a vasectomy experiencing a random but rare natural reversal and impregnating his wife - that child should never have come to be because that man had been effectively sterilized.

The existential argument for IVF is preposterous. We're talking about a child that is genuinly wanted, that is formed through medical means being less worthy of existence than a child that is unwanted and formed through their parent's blatant lack of regard for life?

I don't believe much in IVF either, but I find it almost offensive that anyone would imply that the means of conception for a human being can, in any way, determine the worth of their existence.

In fact, I will venture to say that most people that have changed the world in a negative way were not born of IVF. Hate to use such a small minded argument, but I highly doubt Hitler, Stalin, the multiple warlords in Africa, sex-slave traders and the like were ALL born of IVF.

There are many ways of attempting to gain fertility, herbal supplements, drugs, rhythmic and natural methods and, at the extreme, IVF. Going such a distance as IVF to ensure that your child is your own flesh and blood seems a tad egocentric and selfish to me. If I can't have a child, then I will adopt. My grandparents could not reproduce (they were fertile, but not with eachother) and instead of forcing it, they adopted and saved me from a potential life of drugs and abuse (as my Mother, who was the adopted one, was Mothered by a prostitute). My reasoning is lame, I know, but still.

I think the idea of cloning is more disturbing.

There's no such thing as a soul, so there's nothing to worry about.

"should have never of existed"

So you've decided what should and shouldn't exist?

Although my church is against it... it's creating life so it doesn't bother me really. Although people should also consider adoption too

So many kids without parents. People just want to have their own little 'angel' and pass down there genes. Egotistical society we live in.

I completely and utterly disagree with your opinion! I'm an IVF baby, so I find it quite insulting when you say it as "something that should have never existed". Yes, you are entitled to your own opinion.........but that doesn't mean that people neccessarily want to hear it. IVF is the only option for some people. What if they can't get pregnant naturally or don't want to go through the dramas of adoption?? And here you are calling it wrong

Not really.

Ok that's fine every other person who has commented on your post has called you stupid as well just not as bluntly

I am well aware of this view of god. The view that god created the universe and set the laws of nature in motion in such a way that life forming was made possible and this is the view that I held until I was about 14 until I realized that I could never really know the truth and decided that a world where innocent people suffer for no reason is either consistent with their not being a god, god not caring about humans, or an at least partially malevolent god. As for what I was taught about god, I have been taught nothing about god my family never took me to church and all religion was absent from my upbringing but when people did try to instruct me on religion I never gave them the time of day because even when I was young I realized that no man on earth is any more qualified than any other person to form such opinions. Also you say you are spiritual but you speak of fearing punishment from god. Being fearful of gods punishment is a very jueda-Christian notion. My question to you is if you believe god created the laws of the universe that make invitro fertilization possible than why would he punish those people that chose to better their lives through this avenue. You seem to have a high opinion of your intellectual spirituality, but the truth is your beliefs are so convoluted and lacking foundation that even bill O'rielly would call you a religious nut. It's pretty bad the most right wing Christians hold views that interfere with their lives less than someone who is supposedly only spiritual.

Your dilemma is that you are too naive or backwards to form your own opinions about things so you come here looking for religiously minded advice. Which tells me that you are not very observant, wierd for a supposed biologist, because most of the people on this site have nothing but contempt for religious people.

You are a biologist who doesn't agree with vaccines or any unnatural medications so that includes every medication accept roots and other things that have little medicinal value also your against organ transplants. Another problem is how do you define what is and isn't natural.

Yeah there were no laws of nature that allowed for the discovery of the polio vaccine or any vaccine, chemo, Aids medication, so as a scientist your advocating getting rid of all medication what are you a creation scientist I'm really interested to know what kind of scientist are u

Really your a scientist who is against a scientific intervention that has enriched so many peoples lives and has no negative affects on the mother or the child on the basis of the child not having a soul. What is your occupation I wonder. Also let's assume for the sake of arguement there is a such thing as a soul why wouldn't an ivf baby have a soul cognitively they are no different than anyone else nevermind I'm not going to argue about souls

Jesus Christ this poll creator is so inarticulate and illogical that Im not even going to make a long response. Ill just say op you are retarded

I can see from your perspective and so I voted normal, but to consider them as a life that never should have existed? Your thoughts seem a little overboard.

Besides, kids born this way mean that they were planned and not some accident or mistake do to lack of protection or rape. This means that the child will possibly have a better life.

Maybe I'm biased since I am one of those "soul-less" children born from IVF, but I don't see anything wrong with it. Let people do what they want; no one's forcing you to have the procedure.

What if they or their decendants change the world for the better though? It's just the other side of the coin.

I'd much much much rather see children being brought into the world to parents that really want them opposed to those poor kids who don't come into the world wanted.

This terrible non thought provoking poll gets 57 comments and other well thought out post from rational people get 6. Nearly all of the people on this site are either too politically correct to give their real opinions, too irrational to have intelligent conversations, too young to have good insight into most things, or to concerned with trolling to contribute meaning to the forum.