I'm tired of hearing about the friendzone.

So by your own admission OP, you want a guy who balances being nice with being a total douchebag??

So basically the guy that has an overabundance of generosity, humor, goodwill, charity, faithfulness, and whatever other overall positive qualities we put in there would be a total turnoff?? If he doesnt act like a douchebag as much as he is nice you dont want anything to do with him?

Good luck I am sure you wont have any problem finding that special someone I described. Here's hoping he has more douchebag qualities then anything else.

Yes, it is normal.
I hate how some guys apparently believe that girls have to be attracted to anyone who's being nice to them. Unless you're a misogynist or otherwise sexist, treating girls nicely is a basic social necessity and not something extremely special.
Plus I find this term so extremely annoying since it doesn't take into account actual friendship between different genders. Why should I look for something romantic or sexual in any guy I meet? That would simply be slutty and cheap.
The only girls I know that would actually turn someone down on the basis of him being "too nice" are all sluts, so they are not your average girl anyway.

the nicest guys are a) lying/pretending b) genuine (which is rare) c) have no confidence and are not assertive

The kind of nice guys who can't get pussy are C and are comparable to flaccid dicks.

They have potential but no ambition.

Ugh. Once again, women trying to say it's everyone elses fault for "them" picking assholes.

You want to date a guy that is kind of a douche? Your taste in men sucks.

There is a friend-zone and men do get stuck in it. Reason being is that they are stable, whereas these women that run around complaining "OMG there are nooooo good men left in the world!" or "Chivalry is dead" or, my favorite, "All the good ones are either gay or married" are UNSTABLE. They are emotionally unstable and a stable relationship with a nice guy that dresses decent, doesn't have major issues, will cook them dinner when they are sick, will stick by their sides for every pain in life, will even stick around for kids, because it BORES them!

He doesn't have swag, he isn't a G, a thug, he ain't cool, he ain't like that dude off of TV or from that magazine! She didn't have to fight for him, she is not the woman that changed him and she ain't fightin' for love. She finds a guy that loves her and will treat her like a princess until she's dead and cold and he is boring, doesn't have game, isn't a REAL MAN, doesn't have balls! But then they hit 35-40 and they realize that they actually NOW WANT a good, stable man that will raise their kids and love them whether or not their hair is perfect and their makeup looks great and their tits stay perky... and you know what I have to say to women like them?

Well he's mine now, bitches.

Good luck with your hunt for a half-douche half-nice guy.

A single small quip in the wrong place can ruin your chances for EVER no matter how nice you were before and after. Women are the choosers and men are the competitors. It's been this way since the dawn of our species. Therefore women need to be picky to ensure the continued survival of humanity, and men need to compete with one another to drive evolution. ITS a shit deal for guys, but it's nevessary. For all of us.

A lot of men have very overactive egos, and I'm sure that's interfering with an unbiased opinion when it comes to how "nice" they are. They'll bitch about being in the friend zone not even realizing that they're stuck there because they did somehing that they don't think twice about, but was extremely offensive to whoever they're with. Like snapping your fingers for a waiter. Or chewing with your mouth open. Or just drinking too much.

Their boring and women need what the media, idolizes. For example most t.v characters has a tortured soul, dark past "sizzling" anger problem. Not to mention cannibalistic behavior(Yes, I'm taking to those vampire fans.) So if we remove these from the media we will halt these hereditary habits.Although even if women stopped wearing make up the ideals of beauty would be natural. But you cannot remove the stain of the media, so sorry my love you have to just bear it.

As a disclaimer -Every case is personal and diffirent. I don't claim to have the right answer, however:

I like testing things on my own skin - for many years I was the nice guy who would chat for hours, help and be very kind listening about your boyfriends and crap. Then I had enough of this. I'm still kind to strangers and other guys, but since i put females out of "possible friends" option- there was not a single case of friendzoning. Yes, I admit driving some girls away by not giving a f*ck, but it's rare and far between.

I see what you're saying. I don't agree with all of it, but i'm in such a pissed off state right now. Honestly guys, you're not all fucking saints. Who's to say Mr.Niceguy isn't just being nice to get in your pants? Maybe you're in the "friend zone" cause... hmm... you're not as fucking awesome as you think you are? Why do girls date douch bags??? You're all douch bags. Fuck you.

I totolly agree you are completely right I agree with everything you are saying and alot of these guys who are nice are just dicks or they are little "Whiners " which I hate . I remember a insident when I asked a boy to help me set up an event but he skipped out and started crying "saying sorry you must hate me " I told him I did not care I just really needed him to come to the event and bring the stuff I needed but he refused " he called me a bitchy whore becuase he had a crush on me and refused to keep his responsibility than got his whole family to yell at me saying what a mean worthless bitch I was " all becuase I had the simple request be here today at this time with the things . Yet becuase he cryed like a baby I am the bad guy and they say what a sweet guy he was and how I should be nice but poeple do not understand holding hands and smiling does not get the JOB DONE .

I'm not saying a girl has to have sex with any guy who acts nice but seriously try to put yourself in an unsuccessful guy's shoes. He never gets laid and hears girls tell him over and over that they can just be friends. You know that what they really mean is not how good a friend you are but how unattractive he is. Insecure girls eat chocolate and insecure guys become snotty and frustrated. C'est la vie.

"why do girls hate nice guys?"

Because they're weak.

The men that you are around could be snotty because they're stuck in the friendzone. I think that tommythecat and Itduz actually have the right response. Nice guys usually are weak and they never make themselves noticed. I'll admit that in a way, some of the blame does fall on the nice guy for not being a little more assertive. However, as ItDuz said you're just a woman saying that it is everyone elses fault. I don't think that people hide behind the friendzone, some do, but some also have a good reason to believe that they are stuck there. Some women AND men just don't realize that the person they're looking for is probably in the friendzone.