I hate modern feminists

Is it normal to hate modern feminism? I mean, I do believe in equal rights among men and women. But I feel like women are just forcing it out to an extremity where they seek for a double standard. They kind of are trying to get the same rights but not the same obligations as well. Additionally I'm disgusted by the slutwalk where feminists want to get away with being slutty. I personally am against promiscuous behavior in both men and women. As for sluts trying to be perceived as women who just like sex, instead of whores/sluts I have one thing to say: Key and lock.

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  • flutterhigh

    I find it troubling when people talk about what "feminists" do. Feminism is an incredibly vague, broad term that describes a wide variety of movements and causes. In fact, "slutwalks" are a good example of something that's very polarizing even within feminism, with older generations of feminists arguing that it only helps to further hyper-sexualize femininity.

    So I feel like whenever anyone says something like women are "forcing" a double-standard, all I ask is: who? If you have an issue with slutwalks, then just say that slutwalkers are doing this, not all of feminism and certainly not all women. Don't generalize. I'm a feminist and I don't really support the idea of slutwalks either.

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    • rekltalni

      Thank you for the reply, dear.

      I generalize quite often based on my experiences with things. I still do agree that I'm being very subjective rather than objective while doing so.

      Now for this certain matter, I don't think generalizing is that much of a big deal, because older, as I like to call them "true" feminists have done their job and pursued equality during their time, and today if needed. But newly baked feminists, mainly younger ones who were raised under jersey shore and similar morally questionable material tend to distort the movement and because they're a bit spoiled, tend to pursue a double standard in favor of women instead of equality. That's ruining the image of feminists altogether, and is the reason why I've generalized. Sorry if it offended you, I know it would've offended me as well if I were in your skin. But as times change, people and their beliefs do as well. So it's only natural to expect that thanks to such drastic changes in this organization, the future can hold a whole different definition for "feminism", sadly.

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      • flutterhigh

        I think you've read too far into my words - I'm not offended at all, I just encounter generalities about feminism too often. To be fair to you though, you did say "modern feminism" which does narrow it down.

        It's important to note that the world is never static, and as such its various sociopolitical movements will always change as well. Even 50s and 60s feminists are very different from the earliest Suffragists, as well as each other. "Post-feminism" argues that earlier feminists are too satisfied with the progress they've made to try and progress any further. Equality isn't only about rights. Laws aren't the only way to oppress.

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        • rekltalni

          You're right. Equality is both about rights AND obligations. I like your post! +1

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  • dalmationUntoyourSoul

    to be fair to feminists, those people you described are just acting under the guise of feminism and giving serious women with serious causes a bad reputation. i think a true feminist would fight for my right to wear a skirt in the workplace, even though i have a penis.

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  • dom180

    "I personally am against promiscuous behaviour in both men and women."

    It's their body. It is not hurting you. Let people do what they want as it is not hurting anyone.

    I looked up the key and lock thing. It makes no sense. I mean, literally NO sense at all as an analogy. In an analogy, there needs to be a reason for associating the two parties other than the analogy's purpose; in this case there needs to be a reason OTHER THAN the purpose of the analogy for comparing men and women to keys and locks. The only reason you can give is the shape of their genitals, which is a pretty shitty reason because then all your saying is "penis is better then vagina, lol". If it doesn't do that it does not explain the *reasoning* for the opinion, which is the point of an analogy if you are using it to explain an opinion.

    All the key and lock analogy does is rephrase. It illustrates nothing at all. If it wasn't so misogynistic and arrogantly rolled out by people who don't know what they're talking about it would be laugh-out-loud-able.

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    • rekltalni

      I believe you're a bit close minded and not thinking enough about this. Well I do understand why, though, it's just a mere analogy..but don't let that portray you as an ignorant individual! I think you're much bigger than that!

      On the other hand.. if you as a man have a woman who is your wife/girlfriend - in other words a partner, you'd want her to be loyal, and be YOUR partner. If she'd go around serving her genitals as desert for every other man on the street, you'd despise the fact. In other words picture yourself as the man, as a key. and your fictional girlfriend as a lock. Your key opens the lock in a manner which we can call the act of sex.

      When you buy locks, you try to find the one that's good. A good lock is the one opened by your keys only - one that can't be "hacked" by other people. By the above analogy, you'd hate to have a girlfriend who would "Give pussy" (I apologize for the term) to everyone else as well, when she's YOUR partner, not everyone's partner!

      I suppose you understand the basic principles under which this analogy is made by now.

      Now the thing most people find contraversial about this is: Why are women locks and not keys?

      This is because women find it easier to get sex. Male humans are the ones that have to "work for it" in general. Much like you have to work your way into picking a lock, men have to work in order to get sex.

      Now because of this, a good woman (good lock) is a woman who would save her body only for you (is a lock which is opened by your key only), while a bad woman (bad lock) is a girl who would not restrain her urges and have sex with half the neighborhood (is a lock which is opened by any key in the neighborhood).

      By now you should be able to understand how this analogy is made, and the conditions under which the parties are paired in such way.

      as for your comment on my statement about promiscuous people, I don't see how I've restrained anyone of doing what they want. I've just expressed my negative opinion on the matter, as, like I've said I find those people disrespectful and certainly disloyal above everything else. It's just my opinion, and much like the matter - is not hurting anyone.

      Please take my friendly advice to control yourself next time while making assumptions, as saying "If it wasn't so misogynistic and arrogantly rolled out by people who don't know what they're talking about it would be laugh-out-loud-able. " makes you look like a very bad and ignorant person who can't open their mind to ideas they find unknown. In other words it makes you look like you can't accept anything new.

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      • dom180

        Yes, I do want my actual, factual and non-fictional girlfriend to be loyal. I wonder why you presumed I was single? :)

        Anyway, she should expect the same of me, too. It's an analogy that applies to men and women in relationships: if you're in a relationship I think you should be loyal whether you're a man or a woman. I realise that the analogy is targeted at women because you reckon they find it easier to get sex. Maybe that's true, although I'm sure a lot of the women on here would say they can't easily get sex.

        If the analogy is about relationships it says that men who cheat should be celebrated. No, they should be abhorred. So should cheating women, yes, but the analogy celebrates men who cheat yet demonises women who do the same. Tell me how this is not a double-standard?

        If you take it to mean what you do, then you condone men cheating. Whether men find it harder or not is not the issue.

        Meh, I don't care if you think I'm a bad or ignorant person.

        Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. If you think I'm misunderstanding you, please correct me.

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        • rekltalni

          Oh, I believe I didn't see the "other side" of the analogy supporting men who are cheaters. Perhaps from a general male point of view, it can be justified by saying "hey its hard to get pussy, so if you do, you're the boss". This way it does make sense.

          On the other hand, I assume you saw my promiscuity related paragraph, and would see that I'm against any sort of it within relationships.

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        • dom180

          EDIT: The reason why I said what I said in my first reply was that, in my experience, the analogy does not apply only to people in relationships. As far as I can tell, it is used to justify shaming promiscuous SINGLE women while simultaneously glorifying promiscuous SINGLE men. If it means a different thing to you than it does to me, we've already found one of the reasons we disagreed so much :)

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  • KeddersPrincess

    I can be a fememist, but not in the way most people are, I guess. I agree with equality and all the jazz-patazz, but that's not what I'll be referring to here today. I don't like the way women are used as sex symbols in this society. I hate how they expect us to be beautiful, dainty little objects. As a personal tom-boy myself, I can give to shits about being dainty. I hate how for a young star to rise from her "Disney Channel" years and go into more mature entertainment,s he has to portray herself sexually. Katy Perry, Nikki Minaj, Brittney Spears, they may not be prostitutes, but they're all selling sex, and it pisses me the hell off especially since so many young girls look up to these pop stars. I stopped listening to rap music in middle school because, for the first time in my life, I heard how their lyrics objectified women like sexual objects. I said, "Shit! I'm nobodies damn object!" I hate it! I hated it then and I hated it now, and if there's anything that pisses me off in this society, it's that. Makes me wanna be a mother-fuckin' man! There's my rant.

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    • WishIWasHere

      Sorry to be rude if i am. but you cant sell sex without having someone buy it, be it male or female

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    • rekltalni

      I completely understand you madam and thank you for being a serious rational and "legit" feminist. You and women like you are the sole reason why I don't despise feminists and still believe they can be well..what they say they stand for!

      Thank you for the beautiful rant. I completely agree with every word said!

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  • bananaface

    You so better not be talking about the "key and lock" phrase that I'm thinking of:P! I swear to god if I hear that stupid fucking lock and key phrase one more time, I may actually kill someone! Women are not locks and men are not keys. In fact, it's pathetic little phrases like that which contribute to the necessity for feminism; the fact that everyone thinks when guys act slutty, it's great, yet when women behave the exact same way, they're whores. The word slut is associated with promiscuous women, one of the many inequalities in which the language we are speaking right now actually displays sexism. That's just one of many examples.

    Anyway, besides my hate for that phrase, I wouldn't consider myself a feminist at all. I really think just having a group working for equality would be more effective, where inequality faced by both men and women is focused on (rather than focusing on one gender). I feel like feminism neglects inequalities faced by men, and therefore leads to them becoming alienated. However, it's undeniable that women are the main victims of sexism, therefore feminism is justifiable and understandable, in my opinion.

    However, what I hate is the fact that women have been placed in a situation where feminism is necessary. Feminism has played an essential role in creating equality, and I can't stress enough how important they have been, and still are, in reducing sexism faced by women. The fact that there actually needs to be a group to do this is what I find disgusting.

    As for the promiscuity, as long as people are being healthy and safe about sex, I believe they should be able to do what, or rather who, they want:).

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    • rekltalni

      I just think promiscuity reflects how disrespect and disloyal a person is. From this standpoint I find it bad when both men and women are promiscuous.

      As far as feminism goes, like I've said - I agree that there should be equal rights. But feminists today try to go to one extremity which in my view is bad. They're basically trying to change the way humans look at females regardless of rights. They already have the same rights as men. I Feel like there's no need for feminism today.

      As for the key and lock phrase, yes, that's the one. I will mention once again that I'm against promiscuous women AND men altogether. But that phrase perfectly describes this situation, as women basically have to spread their legs and wait for sex, while men supposedly have to try to achieve this. And that's just one of many examples where feminists are trying to abuse the situation. Instead of trying to find an excuse for slutty behavior, they should instead first force women to accept sex from every other guy on the street with his pants down. If they want equality in its purest form, that is. But no women would support this. See? Same rights but not same obligations.

      In any case neglecting any sort of abuse among men shows how ignorant people are about this. You're saying feminism is necessary because most inequalitises are in favor of men? What about those which are in favor of women? Why not get rid of them first to show how feminists are respectful of others and how they want total equality? No. They constantly keep ignoring the fact..

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      • bananaface

        I find it hard to believe we're talking about the same phrase, yet you think that's equal? Maybe we aren't talking about the same phrase.

        Anyway, sexism still is a problem, especially in certain countries. Maybe you haven't suffered sexism, but it still exists. What about the fact that in many countries women still aren't allowed to vote or drive; something which seems so foreign to most people. I won't go on, but sexism is still a problem.

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        • rekltalni

          True, but I'm talking about the countries like USA and most of European countries where this has been surpassed. I see no reason to push any further, and as I don't live in Saudi Arabia or any similar place, I'm talking from my own experience with the subject mentioned.

          Thank you for your reply however, I am grateful.

          As for the phrase "Shitty locks are opened by all keys. A good lock is opened by one key only" which describes difficulties of "getting some" if you're male, and the easy way to achieving the same thing if you're a female. And how no one would like to own a "shitty lock" or when translated: Have a promiscuous soulmate.

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    • I agree with some if what you have said, and dissagree with others. A lot of the inequalities men suffer from aren't considered sexism. Maybe they don't deal with the most, but they deal with the hardest parts of sexism.

      There is also a men's rights group, but it isn't nearly as noticed as feminism is.

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  • jondoerandom

    I risk getting angry comments here, but the fuck i care.

    The slutwalk was the lowest point in the feminist movement. Those idiots took everything they've been fighting for at least a 100 years back.

    There was a post a while ago saying "is chivalry dead?" and I said "sure is". Since everyone is so serious about "equality" I stand for even treatment. In everything.

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      ah this is just what I've been looking for. Thanks

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  • I agree completely, but I doubt the majority will. They will either say feminism is all about equality (yeah right) or say that it is needed (once again, yeah right).

    I joined a big Facebook feminist page a month or so ago and said "Hey, I am all about equality, and I was wondering if this page is too. In my opinion thre are three types of feminism; treat all women better than men, treat them equal to men, and pretend you want equality but only focus on women's issues. So I'm going to ask a question in which would answer the question. Are you for or again financial abortion for men, so that men have just as much choice as women to avoid parental resposnibility?"
    I then went on to explain that in this financial abortion idea that the woman would still get full choice over her body and if the child will be born or aborted, just the man gets to choose "his" role, if he'll have anything to do with the child financially or parental at all, just like women get that choice with abortion.

    What happened? She answered all the trivial parts of what I said, and she completely avoided the financial abortion part. I asked her again and again to answer but she wouldn't. I then got told I was sexist for thinking the financial abortion idea would be good for men so that both have full choice on taking responsibility of being a parent or not, and then I got blocked from the page.

    I found it quite typical, it showed me that they weren't for equality, they were for special treatment disguised as equality.

    I agree completely with the old ways of feminism, and I agree completely that it was needed to help women get the rights men do, but there is no need for it today, they are after special treatment now.

    Be careful on here, though. You most likely will not see a lot of logic in the comments, just people saying how feminism "is totally about equality, nothing else, man."

    What amazes me is that women say chivalry is dead, men should keep chivalry, yet they want equality? Like the person above said; one or the other.

    Feminism teaches also that men have to be perfect for women, they have to be mr. perfect, do what ever she wants him to do, but what would such a man get in return from such a woman? Nothing but negativity, so why would any man want to try be with such a woman that believes such things?

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    • rekltalni

      Thank you for your honest and big reply, I really appreciate it!

      I've had similar experiences with activists of all kinds. Quite frankly I believe most people pretend to be social activists just to paint a better image of them. That's why they're so ignorant about the views they stand for..well supposedly stand for. Either that, or the example you've mentioned where the person can directly benefit of the movement and thus is completely ignorant about any sort of query that questions their principles.

      The worst part is, in my opinion the fact you got called a sexist. That's far from the truth, as you've joined a FEMINIST facebook page, and openly expressed your respect towards their movement in the first place.

      Thank you for the heads-up about people here, I will take every comment with a grain of salt from now on.

      As for chivalry, I completely agree, but I don't know about the last paragraph you wrote. Perhaps it was more of an emotional reply than rational? Non the less, it's true that a lot is expected from the today's male while little value is given to their acts. I've just read how a former professional wrestler got beat up by his wife. This does sound funny, but when you think of it - it's not. Does anyone ever laugh when a man hits a woman? no. They immediately describe him as an animal.

      It's true that a man is physically stronger, but what does that matter when he can't defend himself...I'm not saying that men should hit women back, but that either laugh at women getting beat up as well, or better yet find both cases disturbing and not a laughing matter.

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      • I agree with everything you have said except the last paragraph. I think men should be well entitled to hit women back if they have hit the man. Yes, they are physically stronger, but nobody would expect a man that goes to the gym everyday to accept being attacked by a man that isn't physically as strong as the man that goes to the gym, so why should women get away with it when a weaker man wouldn't if he hit a stronger man?
        I think violence shouldn't be allowed at all, but if someone hits the other, regardless of race or gender, they deserve to be treated with the same treatment. Yes, women are not as physically strong as males, but that doesn't mean the woman is allowed to hide behind that shield of being hit back after hitting a male with the "you're a man, I'm a woman, you can't touch me" speech.
        Just like I think a stronger man should be allowed to hit a weaker man back if the weaker man hits him, men should be allowed to hit women if they hit men first.
        I don't like this whole idea that men are just supposed to roll over when hit by women, if anything it just encourages women to do it more, which is probably why domestic violence in which women are the victimizers is increasing to nearly half the amount of domestic violence cases.
        It is one the main reason why women hit men, they know most won't hit back.

        If someone hits someone else that they know is obviously more stronger than themselves, then they should deal with the concequences of making a stupid action as to hitting someone stronger than them.

        I don't believe law takes violence to a man from a woman as serious as the reverse, so if the law won't help the male out, then I believe the male has even more of a reason to hit back.

        I do believe that males attacking women for no reason is completely wrong, that is unacceptable, but if they weren't the first to throw a punch, then I don't think they should be shunned for throwing the last one.

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        • rekltalni

          haha reading this I dont see what you disagree with, as thats exactly how I feel. :} thanks for the reply

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          • Ah, good. I must of read something wrong from your last reply. Sorry for assuming that you didn't think a man retaliating to a woman violently hurting him shouldn't be allowed.

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  • PalestinianGuy

    Totally agree.

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  • Captain_Kegstand

    A certain part of the feminist movement is exactly what you say they are. They want to be treated as equals but bitch when a man isn't chivalrous. You don't see these women pushing to sign up for selective service do you? When I was 18 I was forced to sign up for the draft or face jail time, was any woman out there! That part of the feminist movement is bull shit.

    That being said, the part of the feminist movement that wants completely equal treatment, and is willing to take that bad with the good, I agree with. I don't think there should be any segregation between men and women!

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    • rekltalni

      I agree. Thank you for the comment!

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      • Captain_Kegstand

        I have thought that for a while, but I didn't know that anybody agreed with me lolz.

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  • Rekltalni, you're a new user, I think, but you already have me thinking you're going to be one of my favorite users.

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    • rekltalni

      Yeah, I am new. I am currently considering to create a blog to openly express my thoughts on certain subjects which I've been analyzing over the past few years such as this...I observe life from a rather questionable angle... I just wanted to make sure whether my views are backed up or not by posting some fragments of them on this website and having you guys decide. I thank you for your kind comment, it's my pleasure that you've enjoyed my question.

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      • Be sure to put the link in your profile description on here when you make it, I'll be sure to give it a look.

        You have to be a bit careful with those views here, people on here are far more concerned with the treatment of females, regardless of double standards than they are concerned with real equality. Ofcourse, a lot of them think double standards are equality, which just amazes me.

        ANyway, welcome to IsItNormal.

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          Thanks :} I'll be sure to link you up.

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  • Kagean

    Some time ago, I heard someone say something similar to "feminism is the way of achieving equality between the sexes by solely focusing on the problems of one of them". I think there's a lot of truth in that. I think that men's got a lot of gender-related issues as well, but they are completely uninteresting since they only helps proving the feminists wrong.
    To me, feminism only gives women right to mistreat men "because they're men and they're all sexist bastards"

    Wen it comes to the issue of men being "too forward" in different ways they always interpret a "sexistic", it's got a lot to do with hormones. Nuff said.
    Why isn't the pill for men?
    Because our hormones can't be controlled like female hormones and that is the reason for all this "sexism". Because men are programmed to like females! Would feminists prefer if we all drew crosses in our foreheads and lived on separate halves of the earth praying all day long?! If men didn't like women in the way we still do today, the human race would never have survived.
    I do not think it's an excuse for men acting like A-holes, but it's a way of explaining the term "sexism".

    Other than that, I think you guys have done a wonderful job covering all the aspects of this matter, however, there are a few things I'd like to add (forgive me of course if it's already passed, there was so much text...)

    I think the work-related issues of men and women hasn't been up yet, so I'm going to give it a shot...

    Many feminists complain about the fact that men gets better salaries for the same effort, but I think there's a bit more to it than that. I don't deny the fact that it's actually true in some cases, but it's a lot about that a man gets the job because he's the right person for it.
    In some businesses (I hate to make it a general statement, but aw well...) women just doesn't reach all the way up. I've seen countless of strong women with great leadership skills who can do at least as good as a male counterpart, so I'm not saying women CAN'T just because they're not men..

    However, the problem about feminism and work is that they demand that a "male-dominated" business or company should put a lesser qualified woman in front of a competent man, and that's where I think it's all wrong. Every company should put competence first and gender in second place, be it man or woman.

    I do think though that women's got a lot to give and that they give the whole thing some diversity, but I strongly disagree when feminists say that competence is irrelevant. Not to mention that it's very unfair to the women who do make careers and succeeds, since they sort of depreciates them by saying women are incapable of making a career themselves and that they shouldn't have to fight for a job in the same way the men does.

    Not to mention the gigantic effort that's being put into equality in the modern society...

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      "feminism only gives women right to mistreat men "because they're men and they're all sexist bastards" "

      "I strongly disagree when feminists say that competence is irrelevant."

      "the problem about feminism and work is that they demand that a "male-dominated" business or company should put a lesser qualified woman in front of a competent man"

      This is exactly what I'm talking about in my post above. You've lumped a huge collection of movements that span across the whole century and have decided what they believe. Any feminist that thinks all men are sexist bastards is an idiot. But that person does not represent all feminists. Not even close.

      If you study the history of gender politics, you'll see that leaders of the feminist movements do NOT argue that "all men are ____" or that less qualified women should be put over more competent men. No prominent feminist leader has ever said anything like that. That's a complete mischaracterization and a common stereotype of feminism.

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      • Kagean

        Of course. Forgive me, I tend to get a bit carried away, and yes I do make a few inaccurate, general statements. It's just that it has become my picture of feminists since it seems that it is what I get to hear every time I try to have a conversation with one.
        None the less, I lost my modesty and thank you for pointing it out to me!

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    • rekltalni

      I took my time to read this as well. Great post and a lot of truth to it! I agree with everything Unimportant said.

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    • Unimportant

      I took my time and read it. There's a lot of truth in it.

      From my point of view it's pretty simple. You want the same rights? Fine. But please take the same obligations, also.

      It appears as if feminists see all the benefits of being a male, but they fail to see all the significant drawbacks. When they are willing to take the +'s along with the -'s, we can talk.

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  • KekReptilian

    Feminism is a mental illness - and should be treated as that and/or a criminal offense.

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  • peterr

    I have had lots of feminists suck my cock so I am not going to complain about them,

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  • Allistalla

    I completely agree with you I am all for women rights but I do not believe in modern feminism becuase they believe in treating men like krap and women should be working and any women who chooses to have and take care of there family is a worthless whore . I mean women being apreciated is fine but when they nitpick at certian women and treat men like dogs is that really a person you can respect?

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  • dalmationUntoyourSoul

    to the original poster: you should watch a movie called "cannibal women of the avocado jungle of death" i believe it is called. it's a satire about feminism that is loosely based on "heart of darkness" by joseph conrad. there are two extreme feminist groups that split into factions over some petty difference, and both groups hate men. then there is an intelligent feminist that is sent to study them, who is ironically played by a former playboy bunny. i think there is a cheerleader that thinks she wants to be a feminist. anyways, it's funny and tries to point out the futility of hateful, extreme feminist groups by juxtaposing it with the scientist.

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      Thank you very much, I will watch it when I have some time in my hands :)

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  • Kagean

    Sorry for long comment xD

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      haha its okay! :D thanks for taking the time to write it!

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  • Finding_Peace_In_A_Mad_World

    I agree. Too many women these days are setting a double standard. However, most women will argue with that. I guess something never change..

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  • Marisol

    I agree with you.

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      thank you

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  • GoraIntoDesiGals

    I was going to vote yes until I reached the part about slutwalk. I hate butch-like feminazis who hate all men but I like feminine girls who like sex :-)

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