I don't think whites are under attack

I got into a heated argument with a friend who claims that whites worldwide are under attack. He says the same crap I hear everywhere that white culture is under siege that the other races want every white person dead. I don't see it I can agree with some things like the problem of immagration but I don't see it As a attack on whites. He also believes in the great replacement shit and thinks that Jews have influnce over the government. So is it normal that I don't think whites are under attack because it looks like things are good to me?

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  • litelander8

    I think that all races have the ability to be racist but only white people are just assumed to be racist. It’s sad.

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    • DIO

      All "races" suffer from racism. Only white people are snowflakes about it.

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      • I think a lot of people are snowflakes about it. But I do feel that whites who cry about being oppressed are a lot more hysterical about it.

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        • Given that it's more openly acceptable, even trendy, to engage in anti-white rhetoric while it's unacceptable to engage in any other anti-race rhetoric gives a justified reason for white people to be more irritated by the situation.

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        • DIO

          Yea. Exactly.

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    • I do find that odd but I wouldn't count it like a attack like people aren't dying or being ethnically purged it's just simple stupidity.

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    • RoseIsabella

      I don't disagree with you.

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  • howaminotmyself

    I think these people are afraid of being treated the way whites in history have treated everyone else. It is a scary thought.

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    • Funny How life works. It makes you wonder why treat people like crap in the first place.

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  • DIO

    You friend is racist and seems most likely limited in intelligence. You should chose better friends.

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    • I wouldn't go so far as saying that but I could see why you'd say that.

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      • DIO

        I think you deserve better friends.

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  • Boojum

    A classic move by authoritarian politicians who want to manipulate the masses is to convince them that they're under attack, and that only one powerful man (and it is virtually always a man) can save them.

    As it happens, I came across a quote of something Trump said back in March 2016 when the political establishment on both sides considered him an amoral blowhard without a chance: “Real power is – I don’t even want to use the word – fear.”

    The man is a total asshat and the depth of his ignorance on almost every topic you can name is astonishing, but he clearly has an instinctive understanding of how to manipulate people. (Possibly learned from his father who was just as big a jerk.)

    Research has found that those on the political right have one major psychological difference from those who have progressive views: the conservatives are more fearful. They see the world as a place filled with countless hazards and they consider their position in it very precarious. So if someone comes along and spews some crap about how they're under threat by some shadowy group or contrails or 5G radio waves or vaccines or people with darker skin or fluoride in the water or some other damn thing that they know fuck-all about, that validates their world-view, reinforces their paranoia and tends to pull them deeper down the rabbit hole of delusion.

    I don't think there's anything you can do to help these people. You can't argue them out of their position, because they're too invested. Their sloppy thinking habits mean logic and hard evidence don't matter to them, and if they don't dismiss you as just a sheeple or a flat-out agent of evil, they'll go through all sorts of absurd mental contortions to justify their beliefs with phoney data and ridiculous conspiracy theories.

    About the only thing you can do is to try to prevent others from starting off down that dark path. If you hear someone musing that some alt-right wingnut might be making a good point, don't hesitate to express a contrary opinion.

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    • Ellenna

      Great reply, as usual!

      It seems to me that the huge difference between conservative and progressive people, is that the former don't believe humans are basically good and cooperative with each other and the latter do believe it.

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      • No, the difference is between those that understand that humans have the potential to be good or bad and people that think humans are just "good" by defaults.

        It seems you don't understand that what is considered "good" and "bad" changes between cultures. One culture's "good" could be another's "bad".

        Don't go through life thinking people are good by default. This reminds me of those cyclists that cycled around the world to prove everyone is "good" and were murdered as soon as they entered foreign land.

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    • I'm quite curious about this research you mentioned because while I agree there are some conservatives that take paranoia too far they are generally outcasts by the mainstream conservatives. Meanwhile the paranoia of left wing politics is staggering and also accepted by mainstream left, be it women being oppressed, black people oppressed, immigrants oppressed, Trump derangement syndrome, etc, etc. So I'm curious about this research. I'd appreciate it if you could pass it along.

      The world is a dangerous place. People would be right to fear the world. Those that carelessly disregard the dangers of the world will inevitably fall victim to it. I think a fine example of this would be when those cyclists decided to cycle around foreign land to prove nobody is evil were murdered in the process.

      I agree that there are folks on the right that cannot be reasoned out of the positions you mentioned but again, those things you mentioned are fringe and don't reflect the mainstream, unlike the left's paranoia.

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      • Boojum

        I guess you must not be that curious about the research, since Googling "psychology conservatism fear" produces lots of results. This is an article for lay people close to the top of the list:

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201612/fear-and-anxiety-drive-conservatives-political-attitudes

        Of course, people being people, you will be behaving in a completely normal way if you refuse to accept those findings, and dismiss the author as just another libtard cuck - even though he points out that there are some advantages to having a fear-orientated mindset.

        If you want to read a more articulate refutation of the above article to help you get back in your comfort zone, try this:

        https://stream.org/no-liberals-youre-wrong-conservatism-isnt-about-fear/

        I'm not a psychologist, I haven't conducted any formal studies on the topic and I recognise that I have my own biases, but the fear hypothesis makes perfect sense to me. It's what I've seen in various forms and to varying degrees of severity in my personal dealings with people on the political right.

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        • The fact I asked you to ensure that I received the right research demonstrates that I am interested in the research.
          I'll go through each point in the article.

          1. They try to use this experiment to correlate negative bias with fear without evidence suggesting so, they just assume it to be the reason.

          2. This study was done with only 46 participants, hardly reliable.

          3. Same study, only 46 participants. That aside, I think it is completely absurd to claim conservatives "fear" more because they're more likely to focus on their immediate life situation by having a preference to their current life essentials.

          4. Well the study cannot be used to generalize conservatives in general as they admitted themselves due to the study being done with participants that are "young adults". It also mentions that conservatives are more likely to aggressively respond to threatening situations and more sensitive to threatening facial expressions but doesn't say that conservatives are more prone to fear across the board/in general. That's just somethin the reviewer of the study added in.

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      • Ellenna

        So a belief that women or black people or immigrants are oppressed is paranoia? Please explain.

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        • Well, they're not oppressed but believe they are. Paranoia. If you believe I'm wrong I'm open to having some examples of believed oppression you think those groups of people fall under.

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          • Ellenna

            Here are only a few examples: as a woman, I'm more likely to be earning less than a man; far more likely to be raped than a man; far more likely to be killed by a partner or ex partner and far more likely to be homeless, especially when I'm older and single.

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            • What you mentioned isn't true or is being a victim of a crime, not oppression. For it to be oppression it would need to be "a prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or exercise of authority."

              Women earn less because of their life choices. This has been explored in depth numerous times. The system isn't paying women less, women are *earning* less.

              Rape is a criminal act, it's not oppression from authority. That said, men actually make up the majority of rape victims if you include prison rape statistics.

              Murder is a criminal act, not oppression from authority. Women may be more likely to be killed by a partner or ex partner but men are more likely to be homicide victims in general with the percentage being around 70% of homicide victims being male.

              Being homeless is not oppression. I'm not sure where you got the idea that women are more likely to be homeless because that is massively untrue. You do know that men make up 4/5 of the homeless, right?

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      • I don't disagree plenty of stupidity exists but the fact that you have people saying whites are the biggest victims are no different. As far as I see it everyone democrat or republican is just being a bunch of babies.

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      • Nikclaire

        He suffers from a syndrome you mentioned. Pay it no mind.

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    • I agree with what you said my friend isn't down the rabbit hole completely but I worry sometimes. I often wonder how those in power live with the divisions and issues they create.

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    • TerriAngel

      Boojun
      well said.
      I deal with otherwise logical catholic family.
      They hated oboma but worship trumpty.
      faux news 24/7.
      I cant reason with them.

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      • Boojum

        Unfortunately, a large portion of the population isn't equipped to resist demagoguery and appeals the worst sides of human nature.

        There's a depressing documentary on Amazon Prime called "The Brainwashing of My Dad". It's not a great film, but it's about the filmmaker's father changing from a sane, non-political, Kennedy-Democrat into a raving, right-wing nutbag after listening to talk-radio on his daily commute and watching Fox "News" for a few years . His wife got fed up with it after a while, and she started forcing him to listen to alternative media. He slowly shifted back to a more central political position before his death a few years ago.

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        • Bazinga

          Cognitive bias is indeed a terrible thing. Feeble minds just can't feel good about contraindications, nor understand the mathematics of sampling theory like Analysis of Variance, or Chi-Square testing. Don't forget to mention the degenerative affects that religion has on human cognition.

          Thankfully, natural selection is here to help. For example, owning a hand gun makes you more likely to die by homicide. Want more money? Invest in Big Sugar. HFCS will soon make diabetes the most common contributor to an early death. Big Fentanyl is already weakening society. Hahaha, it's a sick sad world. Amusing, isn't it?

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  • It's true, to a degree. It's politically trendy to attack white people now, atleast from the left.

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    • How? Yeah you have morons who say stupid things but I'd hardly call it an attack. Plenty of right wingers do the same thing the left dose but to non whites but it's just words. Nobody is being physically attacked just because someone calls you racist isn't a attack just ignore them just like if a right winger call a non white a slur it isn't a attack just ignore it.

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      • Well it depends on what we mean by "attack". If you mean a "physical" attack then no, not so much.

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  • FromTheSouthWeirdMan

    Its just that diversity is only being called for in white countries. You dont hear them calling for diversity in places like india, asia, africa. Its only white countries. Also they media constantly talks about white countries being "white supremacy" but you never hear the media say asia is "asian supremacy" or africa is "black supremacy".

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    • Nikclaire

      It is also interesting that white males or white republican women are excluded from Equity and Inclusion groups. I was tossed out of an LGBT club in High School and I am Bi!! Lol. Hypocrits.

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      • EchoMaster

        They tolerate people that look different, not people that think different.

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      • I'm sorry that happened to you. Let's be honest republicans are not doing themselves any favors. If they dropped the religious zealotry they might get less judgement from others.

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        • Nikclaire

          I've found that liberals make a far bigger deal about Republicans with faith, than Republicans ever do.

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          • I'm not so sure about that maybe where you live but I've known plenty of republicans who don't fit with what your saying.

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    • This is what we were arguing about. Look I don't agree with you on that yes it's clear that a bias exists such as those over looking supremacist groups of other races. But from my understanding diversity isn't just something promoted in white countries. Africa has plenty of whites Asians Arabs and other races living and immigrating there depending on the reasons. India is going ultranationalistism right now so your not wrong on that but still plenty of diversity there. Other Asian countries like India are a mixed bag. So agian sorry I just don't see whites being under siege.

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  • Handyman

    In a country where the majority is white, I don't think you can understand it. Visit Africa's Southern part and witness the hate, but go as a normal person without limitless money to spend.

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  • EchoMaster

    They have been in parts of Africa in recent years. Not under attack where I live though.

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  • d0esnormalmatter

    Who thinks they are looool

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  • Bassmachine

    White isn't a pure race and they immigrated from Europe wtf

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  • Mammal-lover

    At that point I would just shake my head and walk away. Funnily enough though out of all the jobs I've held I've had more white coworkers in shitty paid jobs. At my current job (17$ plus benifts) whites are the minority. It's rather intriguing

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