I don't get it, is my dad training his kids to be submissive?

My dad is a very aggressive man. He will never ever concede in a debate or an argument. He will completely void his lungs if it comes to it, and raise his hand when that fails, he raises his volume and talks over the other party when they're contending (good debating skills there bro.) and he tramples out all sign of resistance when it comes from the kids.

If saying "Shut up" repeatedly is the best counter argument available to him, he will use the shit out of it. He also sometimes tells me where to sit and when to eat. (Are those not my fucking decisions at mid 19?) He freely talks over his kids like its absolutely nothing.

Neither me nor the kids have ever ever fought back at him and he generally always gets his way.

I'm confused, is this supposed to be some kind of kooky old-age character building exercise, where the situation is supposed to boil to a ludicrous point and I punch him in the nose and then he reveals the whole exercise and then he says "I'm so proud son" and we hug?

Or does he just care about winning that much, and that little about how it makes his kids feel? Is it unreasonable of me to expect better of him or is that strictly the mummy's job? Would a more "normal" person resist? Is he in the wrong for doing this, or is the problem on our end for not fighting back?

Also, where are we supposed to learn how to defend ourselves growing up if it's such a common expectation for people to be assertive (ESPECIALLY men)? Can our parents teach us that or is it an unspoken practice that we must learn it in high-school when the jocks pick on you? Are there any other unspoken lessons I should know about urgently?

My dad doesn't think 5
My dad wants us to be submissive people 9
My dad is in the wrong for being overaggressive 28
I'm supposed to resist when he says so through blinking morse code 2
The way he's behaving is a kooky old-skool character building exercise 4
I should TAKE everything he says as resisting is disrespecting parents 0
It's socially unacceptable that I've never resisted for my age 10
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  • NeuroNeptunian

    Something tells me that he does what he does because he is a controlling asshole rather than that he is trying to raise you to be a certain way. I doubt he watched you come out of your Mom's vag, held tiny little you in his arms and thought "I'm going to yell at him and be an ass to him so he'll grow up to be as submissive as possible". He just does it.

    You can't over-analyze people all of the time. It usually isn't as complicated as your imagination likes to make you think it is. I doubt he does what he does to serve some parenting purpose. Face it, kid. Your Dad's just a dick.

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  • Tia_

    My dads like this. He just thinks hes king of the world and everyone is supposed to bow down. He is so in his role of dictator he tried to send me to my room for punishment at age 31 because I didnt act like his word was law. When I told him I didnt think I would go sit in my old room he was literally shocked and kicked me out from visiting. Then the next day he called me acting like nothing happened. Anyway it took me years and years to even butt heads with my dad even a little bit. Its really easy to fall into a submissive role and be unable to break it. I still stress to this day over what his reactions will be to decisions I know he wouldnt approve of. I was also 29 before I cut my hair because it was forbidden by my dad and to this day I pretend to be a strict vegetarian because my dads reaction would be severe if found out. Sounds like you still live at home so its hard to assert yourself in your situation but if I could go back and do my life again I might have asserted myself a bit more. Been respectful but not a doormat and puppet. Had some of my own ideas and stuck to them. Cause I know, at least with me the more I let myself be controlled the more it became second nature to be controlled by him from big things to little things. And now I am controlled by the anxieties the thoughts of how will daddy respond to this brings on me. Its sucky. Stand up for yourself politely at least in some things .Wish I had . Btw I wouldnt pop him in the nose though. Not unless you have a stable place to live first. I think chances are pretty slim thats what he wants and chances are fairly high that hes just a jerk and thats what he needs.

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  • SuperBenzid

    I don't know why that would make you submissive. My father was aggressive and violent, it didn't make me submissive. It filled me with a cold undercurrent of rage and aggression that has been very useful in life. I try to be far more forgiving than my father was though.

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  • aussiewolf

    it depends on what the argument is about. anywho, maybe its time you moved out?

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  • sexysonofsam

    I personally think that you are rude obnoxious little twit. You should move out of your fathers house and go live in your own place where you can make your own rules.

    If however you choose to stay by your fathers house, abide by his rules and be thankful that he allows your sorry arse into his house and feeds you.

    You Sir are indeed an ungrateful bastard that actually needs a good hiding.

    one day when you have your own children (God forbid) you will actually be thankful that your father took the time to try and teach you some respect and manners!

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  • MaggotMayonnaise

    Your father sounds like a nacassistic asshole, much like mine...

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  • ucipher8

    You can think about it this way. Growing up i came home every single day after school. No play dates, no siblings or cousins around... So i pretty much grew up really isolated, of course school (of which i hated) i loved. I was picked on, racially. For the shape of my face, even picked on other kids once i was in a "clique" that picked on another kid more sorry lookin' then me. That was elementary school. Junior high school things are looking up everywhere, hormones are ablaze but i dont get any attention, wind up cutting class to pay at a video arcade somewhere, even got beat up one day because of it, purely wrong place wrong time and was racially motivated. They were looking for a group of asians, (im native american and japanese) that ran into the arcade that i was just coming out of and then, i just got bombarded by 12 or 14 kids a few years younger than me.

    It didn't help that me and those 3 kids were wearing the same winter coat... My point is this. At your age, i came home new years eve (actually day) totally shit faced. Luckily for me, cutting class served its purpose and i was a fry cook with friends in the kitchen who i got loaded with. No one got hurt, i did get home safe that night, it was busy that night too so it was a good celebration.

    Anyway i get home, and its 4 in the morning, my mom on the couch and my dad even more drunk than i am. he probably saw me taking a 4 minute nap on the way home half a block down... I was shit, faced. She's mad at me, and he suddenly decides to become he man and dukes it out with me. He ended up trashing my room and all my shit and i ended up, literally kicking him away from me.

    What my dad and i learned that day. We weren't so different. Nearly same lives, just i wasn't married and had to raise a family. I shame my mom and my dad today, im clearly not your age.

    Think about what your father is doing as a form of discipline. If it were anywhere else, east la or manhattan ny or something like that, having a cocky attitude will get you absolutely no where. Your dad in a way is teaching you respect by making you shower him with it. Maybe its harsh, but its not like hes literally abusing you is he? Cause then you should punch him in the face and stab him the eye to tell him that you fucking mean it... (i dont want to say i have an imagination but, there is so much you can do with you are wrought in emotion)

    Im sure it hasn't gotten to that point. Take this as an experience that you dealt with shit from your dad before and hopefully in your adult life, you want be a pussy but you'll stand up for yourself when you have to, and you are gonna know when you need to.

    We always get beat up though, here and there in some form. I think your dad, really likes you. If he really wanted you to be submissive i think (and certainly hope not) your post would have gone in a much different direction. Hope this auto biography of my life helps

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  • coolio75650932

    No.He simply wants control.i say you stand up for your self and dont give up even if he raises his hand(i think you ment violence by that)than after he hits you you can even sue the basterd!

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  • NormalPrick

    My father has a habit of being very ignorant. Simple things are like solving a rubrics cube to him. Also if he does something stupid and my mother calls him out on it he says "Whatever...whatever..yeah right...whatever" like he's never wrong. If he starts an argument for no reason with someone and finds out they're right he'll call them retards.

    Brain Power = OVER NINE THOUSAND

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  • you need to give him a good pop in the nose. whether he wants you to be submissive or he is playing some stupid mind game you need to show him that his behaviour is unacceptable. Someone needs to put him in line. Seriously you need to give him a good ass kicking. It probablly wont teach him a lesson though.

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  • suckonthis9

    You might want to give your father a copy of, "Robert's Rules of Order."

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