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With all the allegations that have come out about Marily Manson I am just dumb founded. He seemed to be just a normal guy. You would never expect him to be this type of person. Sure he was a satanist but no one should ever be judged
You must have been both blind and dumb to be shocked by any of this. Not because of his music or aesthetic but because he's always been a jerk. He wrote in his biography about pissing on a deaf person for gods sake. There's been sketchy shit about him since forever, people have just let it slide because times were different and no one really did anything about abusive celebrities.
It's true. I used to listen to him and thought he was a good guy until I started reading more and more about him, watching more interviews etc, he's not good and is completely fake. His interviews where he comes across as genuinely nice and intelligent are all a facade.
I started supporting and listening to him less and then when I heard about what he did to Wood I stopped entirely. I'm so glad mainstream media are now reporting it too because she came out about it a while ago
I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt at first but.. I can see it. And I'm a little surprised by how not really all that surprised I am.
I think what pisses me off about it is the way he has always (or at least once did, not sure about nowadays) touted himself as some kind of advocate for young people and open-mindedness. I'm remembering an old interview with him I saw, I think maybe it was a clip from the Columbine documentary, where the person asked him what he would have said to the kids who did it, if he was there that day. He said something along the lines of "I would've just listened to them," all profoundly.
Not sure I'm making any sense here. I guess, when I was younger this kind of thing really helped shape the beginnings of my thinking patterns and worldview. And now I see it's obviously scripted garbage meant to come across a certain way. But he knows he's doing this, he knows that's his audience, I can't imagine a grown man dressing that way in public past the age of 25 without doing so for the express purpose of appealing to teenagers and young adults. He goes out of his house wearing that disney character costume, putting on his "Marilyn Manson" thing, pretending to be some kind of wise individual. "See I look like this but I'm really a nice guy, this is why you shouldn't judge people, not everyone who likes dark things is some kind of monster."
It's one thing to be shitty and abusive. Not good, but it's one thing. It's another thing to be that way and know you are, and pretend not to be while you put on your mickey mouse suit and go out and talk to kids at the park and use that as a window through which you can groom and abuse them. I mean I guess that's how it works, but as a person who used to be a kid, as an aunt, as I see things differently the older I get - you want the guy in the suit to really be good. Or at least appreciate the weight of the responsibility of the job that he holds.
So I find this disgusting on a bigger level than just knowing some of the things that he's done.
One more piece of innocence falling away.
Now don't start telling me things about Trent Reznor or I'll *really* have an existential crisis.
“One more piece of innocence falling away”, that’s exactly how I feel about this whole situation.
Marilyn Manson is the only celebrity I legitimately look similar to (when he was in his early 20s) and he helped me immeasurably with accepting my face and slightly creepy aura. I used him as a symbol of confidence both in appearance and opinions.
Now I have to accept that the Marilyn in my head and the real Marilyn are different people entirely.
Yeah. For what it's worth he looks like a normal guy to me without makeup and with his eyebrows grown in. I don't see a reason to be self conscious about looking like that, but I know what you mean about identifying with a celebrity and their looks/personality making you feel better about your own. When we grow up looking up to these people they almost feel like a part of our own identity. Sucks to have that blown apart, but at the same, nothing can blow apart the meaning you constructed around it. That's all you and you get to keep it.
I see where you're coming from
But isn't it also possible
To like to style oneself a certain way, a certain trend, or image, theme, archetype maybe
And to understand that as a person who presents himself as he does or dons a certain persona, it's natural for him to be asked to speak about something like Columbine, which set a precedent of attributing morality based on the video games someone plays
And that as a logical person he would want to present in a way that was then in line with social convention
Johnny Depp and Tim Burton at least thematically both also represent dark ish characters
And I think it would be cool to dress up like I was in the Matrix, or in Grimm, or Bones, or any other style. Like as an outfit that would be conducive in getting things done, like functional clothes that are comfortable. Like feeling good about how I look would help me get things done I think. I mostly just wear work clothes though.
I hadn't thought of it that way, and I think you might be right. Maybe he never set out to play that kind of role, and felt it was forced on him when that whole thing happened. I know he seems to resent the affect it had one his career, and maybe that's why.
I also look back on what I was saying and how I've been thinking of this, and realize I'm looking at it from the perspective of a disappointed person who once thought he was admirable - instead of from a more objective place. This is the story I formed in my head of who he was and what the situation was, and maybe that was just my adolescent mind creating it's own "spinoff" of reality to suit whatever I needed to get out of it at the time. Looking back I knew someone who was very into Marilyn Manson in high school, which is how I came to even know who he was, and I think that person's own conception shaped mine in a lot of ways. Maybe a lot of the goodness and depth I thought I saw, was actually the goodness and depth of that person.
Anyway, I guess no one really has the obligation to be decent unless they feel that inside of themselves. He's just a guy who turned out to probably suck, and my indignancy is my own problem.
It's a strange story, and I do find it odd how two of his exes seem not to have experienced this. The more I look at it the more I feel like there are some things we all don't know about this situation, and probably never will. Whether those are in favor or against Manson, who knows. One thing I do know is how skeevy the news cycle tends to be regarding these things. It's for marketing and attacking, not for the truth. So I'll reserve judgement for now, as if my judgement matters lol.
And you might be right about the clothes too. I don't personally have that inclination anymore, but I can look back on a time when I did dress weird, and not to look a certain way to others, but just because I got a kick out of looking like that. It's a different sort of personality that carries that into adulthood I think, but maybe "adulthood" is too uptight in that regard. If the goal is to blend in with convention and what's considered appropriate/professional, it would be interesting to see what the world would look like if looking any way you wanted was appropriate and professional.
For a rock star though, maybe that's already the case.
Yeah it's strange and he definitely did it no doubt in my mind. The allegations are very real, very raw unlike that of Amber Heard.
I used to like Manson but have stopped listening to and supporting him after I had found out.
Really scary
I saw some allegations, but I also saw his wife or ex wife give a very well written "fuck you and fuck off" response
What's going on with him now?
LMFAO if you think everyone is normal, you're fucking delusional! Dude has flaws just as much as any other person. The difference is some don't act based on their faults and treat others with respect.
I’ve always assumed him to be that kind of guy 100%. He has been openly saying it at times since the 90s.
Honestly I couldn’t care less what he does, not my business, just give me the songs.
I can't quote specific interviews, but I've seen him say how he laughs about people thinking he's some deranged freak. He talks like a Sunday school kid while looking like he does
I think he just likes the aesthetic. Nobody questions it on a girl, usually